Easiest to drive
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which bus is the easiest to drive, or seemingly the easiest to drive
Seems that scanias are quite difficult from their engine sounds, and those non ac volvo olympium are the easiest -
DD isn't ever very easy to drive, extra training needed even after having a Class 4A. but rigid mercedes buses still the easiest to drive... sterring is really soft and easy, due to the huge diameter of the steering wheel.
i guess even the O305 had power steering compared to leyland olympians?
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BC say drive LO3x for long time will get shoulder ache.Originally posted by collinnxk88:D
i guess even the O305 had power steering compared to leyland olympians? -
of cos la... you should see how a LO3X driver turn his bus ard the corner.Originally posted by stooper:BC say drive LO3x for long time will get shoulder ache. 
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i havent ever forgotten how pissed a BB drvier was during the IMF period...
for being assigned a 9175 on svc 99. was standing at the front and could hear his rant of how heavy the steering was and how slow the bus was accelerating. -.-
btw, not sure if wikipedia's claim of power steering on LAs [AN68 type, in sg] is true though. even though LAs are older than LOs. -
boh power steering.Originally posted by stooper:BC say drive LO3x for long time will get shoulder ache. -
i heard merc are the easiest to drive.........
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Since you are standing at the front, I think the bus rather full? That's why slow acceleration...Originally posted by collinnxk88:i havent ever forgotten how pissed a BB drvier was during the IMF period...
for being assigned a 9175 on svc 99. was standing at the front and could hear his rant of how heavy the steering was and how slow the bus was accelerating. -.-
During IMF period, got 1 198 driver, maybe he first time drive LO3x, he take advantage and chiong all the way... Everywhere he also floor the accelerator... -
think is the 198 driver machiam like those on 179.
btw how true is wikipedia's article on the Leyland Atlantean, AN68 section? i do know the article on LO is true enough. -
I almost vomitted on a service 99 LO 3axles during IMF . The BC driving Volvo style
There's power steering on LO 3 axles... but it's very obvious it's still not enough... I really salute female LO drivers.... -
It actually depends though.
Example :
- HGDep drivers would say Volvo
- AM/SL drivers would say Merdz
- Some BNDep drivers would opt for Scania
So, itz hard to determine which bus is the easiest to drive though. -
LO 3 axles is definately a challenge to drive. Imagine full load (most of the journey) and you are driving a route like svc 30 or 51. You can see how happy the B9TL drivers (SLdepot) . I got to talk to a driver briefly, he told me that after driving the B9TL , he wished he didn't have to drive LO 3 axles again.
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O305 is too powerfulOriginally posted by collinnxk88:DD isn't ever very easy to drive, extra training needed even after having a Class 4A. but rigid mercedes buses still the easiest to drive... sterring is really soft and easy, due to the huge diameter of the steering wheel.
i guess even the O305 had power steering compared to leyland olympians? -
not enough = the steering wheel doesnt spring back to it's original position automatically?Originally posted by off_service:I almost vomitted on a service 99 LO 3axles during IMF . The BC driving Volvo style
There's power steering on LO 3 axles... but it's very obvious it's still not enough... I really salute female LO drivers....
and maybe he made a turn that was too fast and sharp for your comfort.
well, the most challenging place for LO3X drivers to turn is at the T-junction between bukit batok road and bukit batok east ave. 3. cfm that those LO3X on 157/174 would have to go slow abit, then turn 1.25 rounds to the right like siao. -
I'm not sure about the technical details, but in layman terms, my "not enough" means there are insufficient electronic assistance to make the steering feel "light" enough. Just try to steer a stationary car with and without power steering, you will know what I mean.Originally posted by collinnxk88:not enough = the steering wheel doesnt spring back to it's original position automatically?
and maybe he made a turn that was too fast and sharp for your comfort.
well, the most challenging place for LO3X drivers to turn is at the T-junction between bukit batok road and bukit batok east ave. 3. cfm that those LO3X on 157/174 would have to go slow abit, then turn 1.25 rounds to the right like siao. -
[quote]Originally posted by off_service:
[b]I almost vomitted on a service 99 LO 3axles during IMF . The BC driving Volvo style
What do u mean by driving Lo3 like Volvo style? -
Mercedes-Benz by far.
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Step go, step go. The whole bus jerking like crazy.Originally posted by swee_heng:[quote]Originally posted by off_service:
[b]I almost vomitted on a service 99 LO 3axles during IMF . The BC driving Volvo style
What do u mean by driving Lo3 like Volvo style? -
Toy bus easiest, can use hand push.
real world ha, the minibus used by schools one also easy think toyota or misbitsushi one. -
LOL... I recently had this experience on a 179 standby BC... I nvr see him before on any BNL svc. So must be new BC. I think he don't dare to take the turns at speed, especially the sharp NTU ones, so he step accelerator up to 2nd gear, release, step again, release...Originally posted by off_service:Step go, step go. The whole bus jerking like crazy.
The highest he got was just nice the 3rd gear, along Pioneer Rd Nth, under the PIE bridge heading into NTU. Once the bus finally change to 3rd gear, he brake for the sharp NTU entrance left turn! -
Yeah, if you watch the BC, especially along NTU curves with full to the door loading, you see the BC need to use both hands and also their body to make the bus turn!Originally posted by off_service:I'm not sure about the technical details, but in layman terms, my "not enough" means there are insufficient electronic assistance to make the steering feel "light" enough. Just try to steer a stationary car with and without power steering, you will know what I mean.
For VO, Merc, one hand enough already! -
I tell you the school minibus easier.Originally posted by stooper:Yeah, if you watch the BC, especially along NTU curves with full to the door loading, you see the BC need to use both hands and also their body to make the bus turn!
For VO, Merc, one hand enough already! -
Buses with powerful acceleration and moderate top speed is the most easiest to drive IMO,However
my choices will be.......
Single deckers
1st:MB O405s
2nd:Volvo Strider
3rd:OAC Scanias,For some reasons
4th:Scania L94
5th:Volvo DM3500/MKIIIs
Double deckers
1stennis Tridents
2nd:Volvo B9TLs
3rd:Batch 1 VO -
High torque and high speed is all well and good, as long as you have good enough brakes to stop. For me, I go off suspension, handling and power at all rev ranges, and mimimal turbo lag. Non-turbo O.405s with ZFs would be up there, as well as the O.405NH, B12BLE and B10M. The B10M handles well because the weight is evenly distributed with the midmounted engine. The O.405s I find can be a bit too light at the front, which can be a bit of an issue in the wet.
Examples which are a little scary would be the Atlantean PDR1A/1R which has basically got single decker suspension and brakes. They went like a scalded cat, but just would not stop! The AN68/2R Atlanteans had a much more suitable setup which was more relevant for the decker. Case in point! -
that 1st generation LA screeches badly and yet does not come to a full stop in a short time?Originally posted by Windy_hates_B10TLs:Examples which are a little scary would be the Atlantean PDR1A/1R which has basically got single decker suspension and brakes. They went like a scalded cat, but just would not stop! The AN68/2R Atlanteans had a much more suitable setup which was more relevant for the decker. Case in point!
and what is the difference between a SD braking&suspension vs that of a DD?