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Oops, sorry, yeah Scanias are 11.9m. I read it wrongly, I thought 11977 was rounded off to 11.8m...Originally posted by SBS1985C:From same webbie. Mercz are licensed to carry 85 people. MK III are licensed to carry at least 89 people. And that is after some seats in mercz are removed.
Scanias are 11.9 M.
http://www.sbstransit.com.sg/about/memorylane.aspx
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Ok Encik Ayam Kechil, please explore beyond Jurong, beyond the West, there are so many other places to go besides the places near your home and City, you haven't seen much of the local bus scene if you don't explore the other places frequently.Originally posted by chickenlittle2:I dun want to argue with u this kids. No point, kids just like to argue. You like ur scania, u take ur scania. I like mercz, I take my mercz. I dun like the aircon, seat arrangement and the bus when it is moving.. Haha.. can enjoy tv mobile in mercz but none for scania! -
Originally posted by SBS1985C:
I hope I can be a kid.. hehez... oh..Mmm.. Tv mobile sometimes maybe nosey... BUT, if you can see news or some drama or even movies in the bus would be gd. BTW, today I brought my colleagues to take public transport . One from England and one from Hong Kong. Concidentally, we took one scania bus ( i think is SBS 3682 M..) on svc 33 and one mercz (SBS 3728R) on svc 502 in the morning! I asked them which bus was more comfortable? The English man replied me, SBS 3728R was more comfortable as he commented that the bus aircon was cooler. Then, the HK man says, he felt that SBS 3728R looks cleaner and the bus seems to be more stable when it is moving on the rd. He added that in HK, he mostly only able to take the DD and not single deck, he did not taken such single deck bus except the "Xiao ba" . I asked him, if you are taking a long distance and premium service like Express 502, which one would you prefer? The HK man says he would prefer SBS 3728R then SBS 3682M.. Hmm..No wonder no express services uses scania. I thought they accelerate very gd? should be deploy on this express svc that uses expressway! Oops?
Hey [b]KID. Thank you for pointing out that Scania have no TV mobile.
Its much better riding on a bus without TV mobile. You like TV mobile, take your mercz with TV Mobile. I dont like so I take my buses without TV mobile.
FYI: The "Unique" Seating arrangement of a Scania. ( A bench seat over the wheel ) is to give commuters more leg room when seating over the wheel arch. Although I suggest you take SMRT's UD to feel how it looks like seating in
a CRAMPED seat above the wheel arch.
Mercz. 10.3M long bus.Ehh Wait is it 9.3M ? Checked. 11.6M Some seats were removed to compensate for the lack of space. Oh and FYI. Not all mercz got TV Mobile.
Oh ya... as far as I remember, Soon Lee does not have Scania CRBs. Neither does BNL (Unless Cameo, since the 30 S Shift Scania CRBs are replaced). So you can put your mind at ease that Scania CRB wont appear there frequently.
And Scanias are great for feeder routes and hilly routes. Their Great accelration and torquey engine gives them the edge over the B10M MK IIIs and Mercz.
Oh Ya, I have taken SBS286T and seen one guy falling. Its not the Bus. Its the person who never hold the grip properly.
Based on newspaper Reports, "I", SBS1985C
, was on Service 30 and when I did an Emergency Brake, I made a girl fall down and slide ALL THE WAY
to the front. So is SBS1985C a Scania? Is SBS286T a Scania? No. And people do not fall down because the bus they took is a Scania.
P.S. Looks who arguing KID
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I think Express 518 had scania on this service before rite? Withdrawn from it? why? the bus is not fit to ply along the city? Oh ya, I remembered there were lots of scania on Toa payoh rite? Why now most of them are mercz?? -
Hmm i thought that Scania N113CRB a bit longer than B10Ms?
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Let Me point Out 3 Things.Originally posted by chickenlittle2:I hope I can be a kid.. hehez... oh..Mmm.. Tv mobile sometimes maybe nosey... BUT, if you can see news or some drama or even movies in the bus would be gd. BTW, today I brought my colleagues to take public transport . One from England and one from Hong Kong. Concidentally, we took one scania bus ( i think is SBS 3682 M..) on svc 33 and one mercz (SBS 3728R) on svc 502 in the morning! I asked them which bus was more comfortable? The English man replied me, SBS 3728R was more comfortable as he commented that the bus aircon was cooler. Then, the HK man says, he felt that SBS 3728R looks cleaner and the bus seems to be more stable when it is moving on the rd. He added that in HK, he mostly only able to take the DD and not single deck, he did not taken such single deck bus except the "Xiao ba" . I asked him, if you are taking a long distance and premium service like Express 502, which one would you prefer? The HK man says he would prefer SBS 3728R then SBS 3682M.. Hmm..No wonder no express services uses scania. I thought they accelerate very gd? should be deploy on this express svc that uses expressway! Oops? I think Express 518 had scania on this service before rite? Withdrawn from it? why? the bus is not fit to ply along the city? Oh ya, I remembered there were lots of scania on Toa payoh rite? Why now most of them are mercz??
First.Toa Payoh Feeder Scanias came from BRAM. When BRAM transferred these buses to BN, the Mercz took over the Scania in Feeder duities. These
Ex BRAM Scanias are now doing either Feeder Services or Trunk Services that are under the control of BNDEP (EG: SBS3668E, SBS3693G Perm BNDEP 8 ).
Next.There are 700 Mercz in SBST Fleet. 200 Scania in SBST Fleet.
Of course Mercz will appear on more services (Inc Premium).Not surprising for 502 since SLBP is dominated by Mercz. Unlike BNDEP with have a good number of MK III and MK IVs. In Fact. Almost Every SBST Bus Interchange will have a service with perm O405.
Next. Like you said. Scania have good acceleration. Thus, they should be
placed on Stop and Go services (like feeder) where their great acceleration and braking power will be put to good use.
518 only has one perm Scania. SBS2888T Swapped with SBS1688K that is now in HGDEP.
Before you tell me SBST bought more Mercz than Scania as the performance of Mercz was better, I wish to tell you that the reason I can think of is that Scanias were much more expensive than Mercz.
IMO. Its not really fair. You took The Scania is on a normal trunk svc and the Mercz on a premium Express service. Of course the ride on the Scania would not be so pleasant.
If you have noticed, most new coaches are Scania (EG: DuckTours' new DD).
And, An excellent BC can adapt to any bus that he/she is driving. Be It Dennis, Mercz, Scania or Volvo.
P.S. To Each His/Her Own. You like Mercz, take as many as you can. Avoid Scania if you do not like them. They will be gone for good around the same period of time. And Avoid areas dominated by Scania although there will be a good number of MK IIIs there too... As for me, I cannot avoid Mercz as they are EVERYWHERE!
I shall end my post with this.
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Mmm.. so scania were eX.. hahaz.. call SBST not to buy it in the future! Oh! I think they knew scania were .. erm...(XXd). No wonder, they brought more mercz then scania. If it were gd, they would had bought more scania that time! Ok, fair.. Now SBST brought more buses using Volvo.. gd la.. (except MK3..). Mercz were found everywhere because they were gd!Originally posted by SBS1985C:Let Me point Out 3 Things.
First.Toa Payoh Feeder Scanias came from BRAM. When BRAM transferred these buses to BN, the Mercz took over the Scania in Feeder duities. These
Ex BRAM Scanias are now doing either Feeder Services or Trunk Services that are under the control of BNDEP (EG: SBS3668E, SBS3693G Perm BNDEP 8 ).
Next.There are 700 Mercz in SBST Fleet. 200 Scania in SBST Fleet.
Of course Mercz will appear on more services (Inc Premium).Not surprising for 502 since SLBP is dominated by Mercz. Unlike BNDEP with have a good number of MK III and MK IVs. In Fact. Almost Every SBST Bus Interchange will have a service with perm O405.
Next. Like you said. Scania have good acceleration. Thus, they should be
placed on Stop and Go services (like feeder) where their great acceleration and braking power will be put to good use.
518 only has one perm Scania. SBS2888T Swapped with SBS1688K that is now in HGDEP.
Scanias were much more expensive than Mercz.
IMO. Its not really fair. You took The Scania is on a normal trunk svc and the Mercz on a premium Express service. Of course the ride on the Scania would not be so pleasant.
If you have noticed, most new coaches are Scania (EG: DuckTours' new DD).
And, An excellent BC can adapt to any bus that he/she is driving. Be It Dennis, Mercz, Scania or Volvo.
P.S. To Each His/Her Own. You like Mercz, take as many as you can. Avoid Scania if you do not like them. They will be gone for good around the same period of time. And Avoid areas dominated by Scania although there will be a good number of MK IIIs there too... As for me, I cannot avoid Mercz as they are EVERYWHERE!
I shall end my post with this.
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BTW, I dun think there is any unfair comparing a premium service and a trunk svcs.. Premium svcs got gold inside? I think they are basically the same. If u r saying like that, then why those DM 3500 were not deployed on this premium services? But they were deployed on svcs like 36, 66, 105? trunk services? I guess there must be a great reason why buses were transferred. -
If you say that comparing premium services with normal trunk services, are you telling us that an express service stops as much as a trunk service? FYI, 506 & 518 have almost full fleet of MK4s, so dont just talk about 502 only. And, how can you say that MK3s are no good when you hardly take them? It is like saying that I dont live in North side, so WLDEP buses are no good.Originally posted by chickenlittle2:Mmm.. so scania were eX.. hahaz.. call SBST not to buy it in the future! Oh! I think they knew scania were .. erm...(XXd). No wonder, they brought more mercz then scania. If it were gd, they would had bought more scania that time! Ok, fair.. Now SBST brought more buses using Volvo.. gd la.. (except MK3..). Mercz were found everywhere because they were gd!
BTW, I dun think there is any unfair comparing a premium service and a trunk svcs.. Premium svcs got gold inside? I think they are basically the same. If u r saying like that, then why those DM 3500 were not deployed on this premium services? But they were deployed on svcs like 36, 66, 105? trunk services? I guess there must be a great reason why buses were transferred. -
Ah if they weren't good, they wouldn't even buy it.Originally posted by chickenlittle2:Mmm.. so scania were eX.. hahaz.. call SBST not to buy it in the future! Oh! I think they knew scania were .. erm...(XXd). No wonder, they brought more mercz then scania. If it were gd, they would had bought more scania that time! Ok, fair.. Now SBST brought more buses using Volvo.. gd la.. (except MK3..). Mercz were found everywhere because they were gd!
BTW, I dun think there is any unfair comparing a premium service and a trunk svcs.. Premium svcs got gold inside? I think they are basically the same. If u r saying like that, then why those DM 3500 were not deployed on this premium services? But they were deployed on svcs like 36, 66, 105? trunk services? I guess there must be a great reason why buses were transferred.
Can't blame, bndep Maintenance is the worst. They just can't be bothered. -
1 of the SBST Interchange which do not have MB should be Hougang Interchange?Originally posted by SBS1985C:In Fact. Almost Every SBST Bus Interchange will have a service with perm O405. -
Boon Lay Int has Scania on 157(SBS65P, SBS72T, SBS3677D)Originally posted by SBS1985C:Neither does BNL (Unless Cameo, since the 30 S Shift Scania CRBs are replaced). So you can put your mind at ease that Scania CRB wont appear there frequently. -
I prefer UD......some UD got quite fast acceleration. CSS189U especially. Vs Scania ,UD can win...... GO UDs!
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Originally posted by brotherchen1982:
East side people tend to forget that amdep and bram have Scanias.
Boon Lay Int [b]has Scania on 157(SBS65P, SBS72T, SBS3677D) [/b] -
Tell this to anti UD people, they just don't believe that UDs are good performers.Originally posted by Raraken:I prefer UD......some UD got quite fast acceleration. CSS189U especially. Vs Scania ,UD can win...... GO UDs! -
it depends on the mantainance if the vehicle too.Originally posted by Scania:Tell this to anti UD people, they just don't believe that UDs are good performers.
even if a merc AMG class is nt well/ properly mantained, a 0 to 100 sprint which will norm take 5 sec will deprove t0 maybe 7 or 8 -
THe only UD that i can think of that has good performance is TIB1256E.Originally posted by Scania:Tell this to anti UD people, they just don't believe that UDs are good performers.
Oh btw, the O405 is designed as a 11.6m bus, not 12m.
But it seems to me that CRBs have a shorter rear overhang. The distant from the back to the rear axle seems rather short. -
Please state the correct model, there are L113CRBs around but their rear overhang are like those of the L113CRLs. please state N113CRBs to avoid confusion.Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:THe only UD that i can think of that has good performance is TIB1256E.
Oh btw, the O405 is designed as a 11.6m bus, not 12m.
But it seems to me that CRBs have a shorter rear overhang. The distant from the back to the rear axle seems rather short. -
Opps sorry. I used my slang..Originally posted by Scania:Please state the correct model, there are L113CRBs around but their rear overhang are like those of the L113CRLs. please state N113CRBs to avoid confusion.
Yarh i meant the N113CRBs of SBST. Does the N113CRBs have a shorter rear overhang? The rear overhang seems really short to me as compared with other SD buses. -
YesOriginally posted by Y_Shun:1 of the SBST Interchange which do not have MB should be Hougang Interchange?. But 161 sometimes got Mercz Cameo
Proven Guilty.Originally posted by brotherchen1982:Boon Lay Int [b]has Scania on 157(SBS65P, SBS72T, SBS3677D) [/b][/quote]
Posted and corrected by Stooper.
[quote]Originally posted by Scania:
East side people tend to forget that amdep and bram have Scanias.
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This demands a separate post from the previous one.
I thought I could end it earlier. Oh well... Let Me Rephrase.Originally posted by chickenlittle2:Mmm.. so scania were eX.. hahaz.. call SBST not to buy it in the future! Oh! I think they knew scania were .. erm...(XXd). No wonder, they brought more mercz then scania. If it were gd, they would had bought more scania that time! Ok, fair.. Now SBST brought more buses using Volvo.. gd la.. (except MK3..). Mercz were found everywhere because they were gd!
BTW, I dun think there is any unfair comparing a premium service and a trunk svcs.. Premium svcs got gold inside? I think they are basically the same. If u r saying like that, then why those DM 3500 were not deployed on this premium services? But they were deployed on svcs like 36, 66, 105? trunk services? I guess there must be a great reason why buses were transferred.
Feeder. A Short Route that usually consists of many stops.
Trunk. A Fairly Long Route that usually consists of many stops.
Premium. An Express service that consists of some stops before and after an
Express sector.
Haizz... I knew you were going to say Mercz are better than Scania.
So Let me Say again. The Only Reason That I Could Think Of Is That Scanias Costs Much More Than O405s. However, lately, more New Scanias have popped up as private buses/ coaches
SLBP consists of Mainly O405. So they will naturally appear on almost ALL SLBP Controlled services. (Including Express).-Posted Before.
36 is BNDEP controlled services. No Mercz. 66 has perm O405. 105 has perm O405.
P.S. Whats so bad about a MK III? Mercz are found Almost everywhere as they
are the 2nd largest SD Bus Model in SBST Fleet. Losing only to the B10Ms. -
Originally posted by SBS1985C:
R u very sure that express services have less stops. Just like Express 502 and 518 for instance! They are loop services. Definitely it would had also comparable stops towards the trunk svcs! R u sure feeder svc had lots of stops?? Mm.. try svc 181 or svc 284?
This demands a separate post from the previous one.
I thought I could end it earlier. Oh well... Let Me Rephrase.
Feeder. A Short Route that usually consists of many stops.
Trunk. A Fairly Long Route that usually consists of many stops.
Premium. An Express service that consists of some stops before and after an
Express sector.
Haizz... I knew you were going to say Mercz are better than Scania.
So Let me Say again. [b] The Only Reason That I Could Think Of Is That Scanias Costs Much More Than O405s. However, lately, more New Scanias have popped up as private buses/ coaches
SLBP consists of Mainly O405. So they will naturally appear on almost ALL SLBP Controlled services. (Including Express).-Posted Before.
36 is BNDEP controlled services. No Mercz. 66 has perm O405. 105 has perm O405.
P.S. Whats so bad about a MK III? Mercz are found Almost everywhere as they
are the 2nd largest SD Bus Model in SBST Fleet. Losing only to the B10Ms.
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Like wat I said earlier, SBST should had brought more scania at that time instead of mercz if they are gd like wat u say. Mm..unlikely, they bought more mercz ! There must be reasons behind it!
So what if scania maybe more expensive? (BTW, got prove anot that it is more Ex then mercz! u got buy any bus before? u know the price?) Like what u say, new scania on coach but looks like SBST brought more newer volvo and not scania. Even SMRT brought Mercz! -
Mm.. I just dun really like MK3.. More importantly their sits arrangement and leaking problem also piss me off! I like strider and DM 3500! I do take MK3, if not how I would complain that it was not very gd! Hello, I always take svc 99 and svc 197. I think got MK3 on these svcs hor?Originally posted by SBS9806J:If you say that comparing premium services with normal trunk services, are you telling us that an express service stops as much as a trunk service? FYI, 506 & 518 have almost full fleet of MK4s, so dont just talk about 502 only. And, how can you say that MK3s are no good when you hardly take them? It is like saying that I dont live in North side, so WLDEP buses are no good.
By the way, r u that idiot who changed SBS 9012H from SLBP to BRBP in sgwiki? U caused a big trouble! -
Shall both of you stop this argument?Originally posted by chickenlittle2:R u very sure that express services have less stops. Just like Express 502 and 518 for instance! They are loop services. Definitely it would had also comparable stops towards the trunk svcs! R u sure feeder svc had lots of stops?? Mm.. try svc 181 or svc 284?
Like wat I said earlier, SBST should had brought more scania at that time instead of mercz if they are gd like wat u say. Mm..unlikely, they bought more mercz ! There must be reasons behind it!
So what if scania maybe more expensive? (BTW, got prove anot that it is more Ex then mercz! u got buy any bus before? u know the price?) Like what u say, new scania on coach but looks like SBST brought more newer volvo and not scania. Even SMRT brought Mercz! -
The types of services are classified according to their fares:
Flat Fare: Feeder / Industrial services
Distance-Related Fares: Trunk services
Premium Fares: Express / FastForward / Bus Plus Premium services
If I did not remember wrongly, last time there's a classification by journey distance. Can anyone confirm? -
And here you are walking around like you are an expert...Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:Opps sorry. I used my slang..
Yarh i meant the N113CRBs of SBST. Does the N113CRBs have a shorter rear overhang? The rear overhang seems really short to me as compared with other SD buses.
L113CRB and L113CRL are the same length. This is because they are the same chassis, just one is a low floor citybus, the other is a stepped entrance citybus. N113CRB/CRLs have a longitudinally-mounted engine (east-west or horizontally opposed or "boxer" as they are also known). They can be adapted to have a shorter rear overhang so the chassi can be used in a double deck configuration (the N113DRB). -
WTF are u talking about??? 11977 would be indicative of the engine displacement. The OM447h/OM447ha/OM447hLA engines are of11.977L in capacity.Originally posted by stooper:Oops, sorry, yeah Scanias are 11.9m. I read it wrongly, I thought 11977 was rounded off to 11.8m...
BTW, you and 1984E the same person?