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I know of 12.4m O.405s, and also 13.2m O.405s (which I have seen in Melbourne, Australia).Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:THe only UD that i can think of that has good performance is TIB1256E.
Oh btw, the O405 is designed as a 11.6m bus, not 12m.
But it seems to me that CRBs have a shorter rear overhang. The distant from the back to the rear axle seems rather short. -
Can't really say. Svc 51 got Merc Cameo from SLBP.Originally posted by Y_Shun:1 of the SBST Interchange which do not have MB should be Hougang Interchange? -
I call them 12L engines.Originally posted by Windy_hates_B10TLs:WTF are u talking about??? 11977 would be indicative of the engine displacement. The OM447h/OM447ha/OM447hLA engines are of11.977L in capacity.
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Excuse me, N113CRBs have transverse-mounted engines, with vertical engines , hence the first letter N . L113CRL/CRBs have longitudinal mounted engines, therefore the letter L. N denotes transverse placement, L denotes longitudinal placement.Originally posted by Windy_hates_B10TLs:And here you are walking around like you are an expert...
L113CRB and L113CRL are the same length. This is because they are the same chassis, just one is a low floor citybus, the other is a stepped entrance citybus. N113CRB/CRLs have a longitudinally-mounted engine (east-west or horizontally opposed or "boxer" as they are also known). They can be adapted to have a shorter rear overhang so the chassis can be used in a double deck configuration (the N113DRB).
AND! Transverse is the placement of the engine, not the position of the engine pistons.
Unless you are talking about different things, otherwise dont confuse the two things together. Horizontal engines can have both longitudinal and tranverse placements. For e.g., the B9TL have vertical engines, but engine placement is transverse . B10Ms have horizontal engines, but engine placement is longitudinal.
As far as i know, Scania doesnt manufacture horizontally opposed engines. Manufacturers that pioneers horizontal diesel engines for buses are Renault, Mercedes and Volvo, just to list some. -
Transverse/horizontally opposed/longitudinal are the same.Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:Excuse me, N113CRBs have transverse-mounted engines, with vertical engines , hence the first letter N . L113CRL/CRBs have longitudinal mounted engines, therefore the letter L. N denotes transverse placement, L denotes longitudinal placement.
AND! Transverse is the placement of the engine, not the position of the engine pistons. Unless you are talking about different things, otherwise dont confuse the two things together. Horizontal engines can have both longitudinal and tranverse placements. For e.g., the B9TL have vertical engines, but engine placement is transverse . B10Ms have horizontal engines, but engine placement is longitudinal.
As far as i know, Scania doesnt manufacture horizontally opposed engines. Manufacturers that pioneers horizontal diesel engines for buses are Renault, Mercedes and Volvo, just to list some.
Allow me to quote from a source of info which I wrote myself and have posted in a number of different forums regarding chassis designations.
Further info can be seen on this link: http://www.busaustralia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=481
SCANIA:
Note: MOST Scania chassis have rear mounted engines, there are very few mid mounted underfloor examples)
The prefix applies to how the engine is mounted.
L = Vertically mounted engine, tilted 30 degrees to the left (not sure how it is tilted as such)
K = Vertically mounted engine
N = vertically mounted engine, horizontally opposed (east-west mounted)
F = front engined, vertically mounted.
I'm sure there are others, so please help.
These are the digits which signify the engine capacity (or engine output), and follow immediately after the prefix.
9 = 9 litre engine (from 1st to 4th series)
11 = 11 litre engine (from 1st to 4th series)
12 = 12 litre engine (from 4th series)
230 = 230PS engine (from 5th series - 9 litre 5 cylinder engine)
270 = 270PS engine (from 5th series - 9 litre 5 cylinder engine)
310 = 310PS engine (from 5th series - 9 litre 5 cylinder engine)
340 = 340PS engine (from 5th series - 12 litre 5 cylinder engine)
380 = 380PS engine (from 5th series - 12 litre 5 cylinder engine)
420 = 420PS engine (from 5th series - 12 litre 5 cylinder engine)
The following digits, which follow the engine capacity indicate the series
1 = 1st series
2 = 2nd series
3 = 3rd series
4 = 4th series
The suffixes inidicate the chassis type, and other extra details.
CRB = standard/city floor height with stepped entry (1st to 3rd series)
CRL = low floor chassis (1st to 3rd series)
ARB = standard floor height articulated chassis (1st to 3rd series)
ARL = low floor articulated chassis (1st to 3rd series)
TRB = extended chassis (1st to 3rd series)
For the above, the second letter indicates where the driving controls are situated.
R = Right hand drive
L = Left hand drive
UB = low floor chassis (4th and 5th series)
UA = low floor articulated (4th and 5th series)
IB = "intercity" height chassis with stepped entry (4th and 5th series)
EB = touring chassis? (4th and 5th series)
The 5th series also include a further designation for the IB series where you have:
Wheel Configuration (source: Scania website)
4x2 = 2 axle vehicle with drive on one axle
6x2 = tri-axle vehicle with drive on one rear axle. One tag axle without drive infront of drive axle.
6x2/2 = tri-axle vehicle with drive on one rear axle. One tag axle without drive in front of the drive axle. Used to designate articulated buses.
6x2*4 = tri-axle vehicle with drive on one rear axle. One steered tag axle without drive behind drive axle
Chassis height
These suffixes denotes what kind of floor height is "married" to the chassis, which is denoted by the prefix. It only applies to the 5th series of Scania chassis. A further designation applies to the 5th series
E = Extra Low
L = Low (low front and normal rear)
M = Low (low front and middle, normal rear), articulated
N = Normal (normal front and rear)
Ok, now the examples.
K94IB = vertically mounted, 9 litre motor, 4th series chassis, intercity floor chassis
N113ARB = horizontally opposed vertically mounted 11 litre motor, articulated standard/city floor chassis
L113TRB = vertically mounted 11 litre motor tilted 30 degrees to the left on an extended chassis
K380IB4x2NB = Vertical 380PS engine with a multipurpose chassis for long and short distances and with normal drive and ride comfort without the special adaptation. It is a 2 axle chassis with a normal floor level throughout the chassis and full air suspension.
K420EB6x2*4LI = Vertical 420PS engine with a chassis for long distance travel and high drive and ride comfort. Chassis has no special afaptation, and has 3 axles, with a steered tag axle behind the drive axle. The coach may aslo be built with a low boarding step and a low floor from the front up to the rear axle. This type of coach is also built with a normal floor level throughout (denoted by the "N", and the chassis is fully air-suspended with independant front suspension.
N310UA6x2/2EB = Transverse engine with 310PS, articulated citybus chassis. Has 3 axles, with a non-steered axle infront of the drive axle. Low floor throughout the length of the bus (denoted by the "E") and the chassis is fully air-suspended.
If you would like to challenge me on other technical info, please feel free to do so, and I promise you that I will be able to back my facts up with info from spec sheets, of which I have many in my posession through my work. -
Hmm just curious as to whether you have any Cummins spec sheets in your possession.Originally posted by Windy_hates_B10TLs:Further info can be seen on this link: http://www.busaustralia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=481
If you would like to challenge me on other technical info, please feel free to do so, and I promise you that I will be able to back my facts up with info from spec sheets, of which I have many in my posession through my work.
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Let me rephrase. Frequency of Stops.Originally posted by chickenlittle2:R u very sure that express services have less stops. Just like Express 502 and 518 for instance! They are loop services. Definitely it would had also comparable stops towards the trunk svcs! R u sure feeder svc had lots of stops?? Mm.. try svc 181 or svc 284?
Like wat I said earlier, SBST should had brought more scania at that time instead of mercz if they are gd like wat u say. Mm..unlikely, they bought more mercz ! There must be reasons behind it! REASONS I HAVE POSTED ABOVE MANY TIMES!
So what if scania maybe more expensive? (BTW, got prove anot that it is more Ex then mercz! u got buy any bus before? u know the price?) Like what u say, new scania on coach but looks like SBST brought more newer volvo and not scania. Even SMRT brought Mercz!
Reason. Scania is MORE EXPENSIVE than O405. How many reason you want?
In standard they are comparable.
You browse through this forum and z14. You will see how much it cost for a Scania Bus. SMRT as of now still havent buy any buses. TIBS bought them.
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Ermm... You better check your OWN facts. The SBS & SMRT Mercs have a capacity of 11967cc.Originally posted by Windy_hates_B10TLs:WTF are u talking about??? 11977 would be indicative of the engine displacement. The OM447h/OM447ha/OM447hLA engines are of11.977L in capacity.
The 11977cm is the length of the SBST N113CRBs.
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Industrial svc aren't actually flat fare. They are like trunk svcs but have a cap on the maximum fare.Originally posted by off_service:The types of services are classified according to their fares:
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Wah lao battleground ah all the chickenlittle, Scania N113CRB luver, Scania, Windy Hates B10TLs, SBS1985C and clone 1984E and the SBS9806J suspect for editing the wikipedia thing all fighting for nothing is it? Ai ya don't need fight, SBS bus suck is suck one. TIBS bus is the best one.
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Excuse me, i dunno where were the price shown. It would be gd if you can point it out again. BTW, the price maybe for the present scania and not for the past. BUT u still do not have a defintely ans to tell me why SBST brought more mercz then scania. Excuse me, the different were about 500 over buses! It could be understandable when the different were 5 or 20 but it was not! BTW, I just found out that comparing mercz from scania. Mercz looks nicer in the interior and the exterior!Originally posted by SBS1985C:Let me rephrase. Frequency of Stops.
Reason. Scania is MORE EXPENSIVE than O405. How many reason you want?
In standard they are comparable.
You browse through this forum and z14. You will see how much it cost for a Scania Bus. SMRT as of now still havent buy any buses. TIBS bought them.
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Tibs standards dropped after being rebranded SMRT Bus.Originally posted by SBS351M:Wah lao battleground ah all the chickenlittle, Scania N113CRB luver, Scania, Windy Hates B10TLs, SBS1985C and clone 1984E and the SBS9806J suspect for editing the wikipedia thing all fighting for nothing is it? Ai ya don't need fight, SBS bus suck is suck one. TIBS bus is the best one.
Anyway, Scanias are indeed longer than Mercs. The former can carry 49 sitting pax while the latter only takes 47. The B10M has a seating capacity of 51. -
Both SBST Scanias and WA Mercz and WA B10M MK II are built by the same body builder company, Walter Alexander. So naturally, they have almost similar bodyworks.(WA PS) Or are you comaparing the DM Mercz? Interior is decided by SBST on how they want to arrange the seats.Originally posted by chickenlittle2:Excuse me, i dunno where were the price shown. It would be gd if you can point it out again. BTW, the price maybe for the present scania and not for the past. BUT u still do not have a defintely ans to tell me why SBST brought more mercz then scania. Excuse me, the different were about 500 over buses! It could be understandable when the different were 5 or 20 but it was not! BTW, I just found out that comparing mercz from scania. Mercz looks nicer in the interior and the exterior!
BTW: To each his/her own.
The price is definitely for the N113s. Prices for current Scanias I do not know.
Multiply the difference in cost by 500. That will give you your answer as why SBST bought much more Mercz than Scania.
This is just one thread I managed to dig up.
20K just for a Air Con unit for Scania OAC.
Another reason is that Scanias are harder to mantain than mercz. This reason good enuff for u?
Linky.
http://buses.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=140937&page=0
P.S. Get Back to Topic xD. -~Easiest to drive~- -
Woah! Just the A/C already so expensive?Originally posted by SBS1985C:20K just for a Air Con unit for Scania OAC.
http://buses.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=140937&page=0
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haha. Hope now ChickenLittle know why SBST buy so little Scanias.Originally posted by stooper:Woah! Just the A/C already so expensive? -
Double Post.
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There are 150 of them. If you ask me that's not "so little". IMO, should've bought more, haha. Its just too bad that the Scania N113 had deteriorated to such a state that the 'younger generetaions' witness them as being noisy, dirty, rough, rattling, shaking etc. etc. etc. I can assure that if they were to ride the Scania 17 years ago, their perception towards the bus would be completely different. It was fast, quiet and smooth; simply the best.Originally posted by SBS1985C:haha. Hope now ChickenLittle know why SBST buy so little Scanias.
"Don't it always seem to go
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Originally posted by SBS1985C:haha. Hope now ChickenLittle know why SBST buy so little Scanias. oh.. So from where can you prove that mercz or even it's A/C unit should be cheaper then Scania? Somehow I think that 20K aircon on scania dun really work well this days! I remembered I was sweating like hell when I once took a scania on svc 157 last year. Even the driver open the window and use his timesheet to fan himself!
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little compared to O405.Originally posted by The_Bus_Guide:There are 150 of them. If you ask me that's not "so little". IMO, should've bought more, haha. Its just too bad that the Scania N113 had deteriorated to such a state that the 'younger generetaions' witness them as being noisy, dirty, rough, rattling, shaking etc. etc. etc. I can assure that if they were to ride the Scania 17 years ago, their perception towards the bus would be completely different. It was fast, quiet and smooth; simply the best.
"Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you got 'till its gone"
Scania N113 Rox. -
Mercz I got no info.Originally posted by chickenlittle2: oh.. So from where can you prove that mercz or even it's A/C unit should be cheaper then Scania? Somehow I think that 20K aircon on scania dun really work well this days! I remembered I was sweating like hell when I once took a scania on svc 157 last year. Even the driver open the window and use his timesheet to fan himself!
But its a fact that Scanias then, cost much more than the O405. In other words. O405 were cheaper And Newer than Scania - Scania were brought in in 1989 Mercz were brought in in 1991.
Want to find out more? www.google.com
Yes. I do admit some OAC Scania are like Ovens. One of them is SBS0065P.
However, this is due to poor mantanence of Scanias. Same reason why some
O405 have odd noises and creaky suspension.
EG: linky.
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Some Scanias jerk because of poor maintenance.Overall i feel confident driving OAC Scanias more than CAC.
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for u onli! For me I think MB 0405 rocks. If u ask SBST, they might reply u the same!! This is what one of my friend in SBST told me that.Originally posted by SBS1985C:little compared to O405.
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Pls show facts and statistics! Next time if u work, ur boss would tell u this. It was because figures tell u everything. Just like the no of scania SBST bought and the no of mercz SBST bought!Originally posted by SBS1985C:Mercz I got no info. But its a fact that Scanias then, cost much more than the O405. In other words. O405 were cheaper And Newer than Scania - Scania were brought in in 1989 Mercz were brought in in 1991.
Want to find out more? www.google.com
Yes. I do admit some OAC Scania are like Ovens. One of them is SBS0065P.
However, this is due to poor mantanence of Scanias. Same reason why some
O405 have odd noises and creaky suspension.
EG: linky.
http://buses.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=186867
I guess scania suspension are worst. Try those scania on svc 157. U would know it. Ai ya, it would be the best to transfer those scania to ur area in exchange of mercz! -
Aren't those Scania on 157 from BRBP and not BNDEP? I think he is talking about BNDEP Scanias. SBS1985C likes Scanias because he lives in the east side and you like Merc because you live in West side.Originally posted by chickenlittle2:Pls show facts and statistics! Next time if u work, ur boss would tell u this. It was because figures tell u everything. Just like the no of scania SBST bought and the no of mercz SBST bought!
I guess scania suspension are worst. Try those scania on svc 157. U would know it. Ai ya, it would be the best to transfer those scania to ur area in exchange of mercz!
Conclusion for people who like what type of bus: (Not all, but usually)
SBST:
Central (AMDEP/BRBP) - Mercedes-Benz
West (SLBP) - Mercedes-Benz
West/South (ARBP) - Volvo
North-East - Volvo
East - Scania, maybe Volvo
SMRT:
North/Bt Panjang (WLDEP) - Scania, Mercedes-Benz
North-West (KJDEP) - Habit
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I am a lifelong west sider but I am a fan of ALL Scanias, be it CRB, CRL or L94.Originally posted by SBS9806J:Aren't those Scania on 157 from BRBP and not BNDEP? I think he is talking about BNDEP Scanias. SBS1985C likes Scanias because he lives in the east side and you like Merc because you live in West side.
Conclusion for people who like what type of bus: (Not all, but usually)
SBST:
Central (AMDEP/BRBP) - Mercedes-Benz
West (SLBP) - Mercedes-Benz
West/South (ARBP) - Volvo
North-East - Volvo
East - Scania, maybe Volvo
SMRT:
North/Bt Panjang (WLDEP) - Scania, Mercedes-Benz
North-West (KJDEP) - Habit
Yishun (AMDEP) - Lance?
No Mk IIIs or DAFs for me.