What's The Real Objective of ERP?
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With reference to The Straits Times, Prime News, pg 4, "ERP rates at some gantries to go up from Monday" dated 1st May 07.
"Drivers of heavy trucks and buses will incur a hefty $9 charge"
I remembered reading in the newspapers many years back that public buses only need to pay 3/4 of the ERP charge.
But I strongly feel public buses should be TOTALLY EXEMPTED from paying ERP charges! What is the motive of ERP? to reduce traffice jams, discourage people from driving and encourage public transport ridership? Then if this is the case, buses are helping to relief traffic congestion and instead of being given rebates, they are being penalised! and does this discourage our public bus operators to deploy extra buses during peak periods because of the ERP charges?
and even for private buses - regardless of Scheme B, ferrying school children or workers; the same argument applies. and is this another reason to increase bus fares in the coming months too? -
FYI: Public Buses like those operated by SBST and SMRT Are exempted from ERP.
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then why do they have the erp unit on them?Originally posted by SBS1984E:FYI: Public Buses like those operated by SBST and SMRT Are exempted from ERP. -
Just follow lor.Originally posted by alwaysdisturbed:then why do they have the erp unit on them?
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They are not exempted.Originally posted by SBS1984E:FYI: Public Buses like those operated by SBST and SMRT Are exempted from ERP.
The policy of ERP is congestion charging. As long as you occupy road space, you are liable for charges. Hence, ERP applies to all vehicles: cars, lorries, buses, motorcycles etc, be it public or private transport.
Quite counter-intuitive that ERP is taxing on public transport, when they are suppose to help alleviate congestion! -
Its quite typical of our government what, say one thing and do the other.
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this is to identify them as exempted vehicle from paying the ERP..Originally posted by alwaysdisturbed:then why do they have the erp unit on them? -
Three objectives:
Money.
Money.
And more money. -
where got all need to pay???Originally posted by stituss:They are not exempted.
The policy of ERP is congestion charging. As long as you occupy road space, you are liable for charges. Hence, ERP applies to all vehicles: cars, lorries, buses, motorcycles etc, be it public or private transport.
Quite counter-intuitive that ERP is taxing on public transport, when they are suppose to help alleviate congestion!
police vehicle no need leh.. even though theres a ERP unit but don need to pay.. don tell me when theres an emergency inside a erp carpark u must put cashcard to attend the case meh??? -
Good question.Originally posted by manjieass:where got all need to pay???
police vehicle no need leh.. even though theres a ERP unit but don need to pay.. don tell me when theres an emergency inside a erp carpark u must put cashcard to attend the case meh???
Do police cars have to pay ERP? -
Police cars are travelling on their father's road. I dun think they need to pay ERP.Originally posted by charlize:Good question.
Do police cars have to pay ERP? -
Every Road Pay since u cant built gantries at every road, some gantries charge higher to compensate the lost.
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of course is don need la.. police cars are exempted from COE, import tax, road tax, parking charges, erp, insurance... think theres somemore but i forgotten liao..Originally posted by charlize:Good question.
Do police cars have to pay ERP?
i think with these few exempted, you'll save alot if its a private car.. 
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ERP serves no purpose whatsoever, like what many ST readers have said before, yeah sure the traffic flow would be smooth for half a month or so but you don't really have any other way out in Sillypore in terms of roads aye...so they still have to go thru the ERP...time is money in Sillypore...don't see any traffic problem solving effect here, just one big money making machine....
They can scrap the whole ERP idea of course as that would be a loss of face
Like I said before, better emigrate else people here will just have to grit their teeth and just move on with life in Sillypore with all the various policies....grrrrr -
might as well ask if the leopards need to pay erp
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There's improvement even though it's ain't much.The real problem is many peoples can afford a car and typical of Singaporean will all go to the same places if the places are good.That's why you see and faces many jams.Public service vehicles are exempted from ERP charges.The IU units is just to indicate that they're passing through only.
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this seem like politics.. go to politics..
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public bus dont have to pay
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I cannot remember properly but last year got an incident, where ambulance cannot enter/exit carpark gate (because no ERP unit or something). In the end, they had to transfer the patient to another ambulance and the person died eventually.Originally posted by manjieass:where got all need to pay???
police vehicle no need leh.. even though theres a ERP unit but don need to pay.. don tell me when theres an emergency inside a erp carpark u must put cashcard to attend the case meh???
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its just another way to raise money for their ivory tower
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That incident happened in EXPO. While, that ambulance involved was a private ambulance. In the end, the baby had to be transferred to a SCDF ambulance before the baby was sent to the hospital.Originally posted by stooper:I cannot remember properly but last year got an incident, where ambulance cannot enter/exit carpark gate (because no ERP unit or something). In the end, they had to transfer the patient to another ambulance and the person died eventually. -
...actually, I can confirm that public buses are not charged for the system.Originally posted by stituss:They are not exempted.
The policy of ERP is congestion charging. As long as you occupy road space, you are liable for charges. Hence, ERP applies to all vehicles: cars, lorries, buses, motorcycles etc, be it public or private transport.
Quite counter-intuitive that ERP is taxing on public transport, when they are suppose to help alleviate congestion!
I was once on a route 175 bus coming back from CMPB. As the bus swung onto Orchard Road, I decided to go forward to have a peek at the IU over there (the Orchard gantry was operating at that time). When the bus passed underneath the gantry, "$0.00" showed up on the IU's display. -
ERP is a scam. Road traffic and population can be controlled in other ways.
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but i ever remembered reading in the Straits times years back that public buses got to pay ERP charges, but at 3/4 of the rates for normal lorries & buses. maybe the LTA later reversed its policies against charging public buses? and what about private buses and school buses? though they occupy road space, they are in fact helping to reducing traffic congestion by moving the masses!Originally posted by eX.A.K.R.:...actually, I can confirm that public buses are not charged for the system.
I was once on a route 175 bus coming back from CMPB. As the bus swung onto Orchard Road, I decided to go forward to have a peek at the IU over there (the Orchard gantry was operating at that time). When the bus passed underneath the gantry, "$0.00" showed up on the IU's display. -
officially they must say that public bus have to pay, but unofficially they no need to pay.
initially, when just started , i think they did pay ERP, cos there is some stickers on the dashboard or driver's cabin, reminding them to insert cash card or something like that..
after that, dunno why policy change, but no official news were announced.