80% of svs no more than 10 mins waiting else, else summon
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80% of services must not have waiting time of more than 10 mins
Any services 20% of the time has more than 20 mins waiting time got to have ETA plates at bus stops -
i think the buses i take falls in the 20%
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Simi hor beh?Originally posted by FireIce:i think the buses i take falls in the 20% -
no use de theyshould have regulations separately for each time slot.
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yup. heard abt that. However, I heard if companies fail to adhere to the new standards set out by PTC, they will get fined. So, where does this $$$ go to IF they r fined? Besides, I think that by imposing a fine acts as a deterrance rather than a solution to the current problem.
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I sarport fare hikes
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The money will go round and round until it reach someone at some placeOriginally posted by tanjun:yup. heard abt that. However, I heard if companies fail to adhere to the new standards set out by PTC, they will get fined. So, where does this $$$ go to IF they r fined? Besides, I think that by imposing a fine acts as a deterrance rather than a solution to the current problem. -
This will pressurise SMRT to purchase more buses and improve their standards and services.
I think they will also increase the starting pay and implementing of more policies that would benefit those Service Leader who joined the company -
How does PTC going to investigate if passengers has indeed waited for more than 10min?
Can PTC provide a hotline for passengers to file report?
I would say SMRT106 would fail terribly given the traffic jam along Orchard.
At the moment I would think that the stricter bus service standard is for PTC to justify another round of fare hike.
However if indeed there is a means for PTC to investigate if buses came in at intervals more than 10min at each bus stops, and PTC really handles and investigates call from passengers, and indeed penalise bus companies, then I won't mind a 2 cents increase. -
I wonder the definition of waiting for more than 10 mins. It sounds vague. Does it imply waiting for more than 10 mins during peak hrs or during off peak hrs or in all cases?Originally posted by iamgoondu:How does PTC going to investigate if passengers has indeed waited for more than 10min?
Can PTC provide a hotline for passengers to file report?
I would say SMRT106 would fail terribly given the traffic jam along Orchard.
At the moment I would think that the stricter bus service standard is for PTC to justify another round of fare hike.
However if indeed there is a means for PTC to investigate if buses came in at intervals more than 10min at each bus stops, and PTC really handles and investigates call from passengers, and indeed penalise bus companies, then I won't mind a 2 cents increase. -
From CHANNELNEWSASIA:Originally posted by tanjun:I wonder the definition of waiting for more than 10 mins. It sounds vague. Does it imply waiting for more than 10 mins during peak hrs or during off peak hrs or in all cases?
Buses will now have to arrive every 10 minutes, at least during weekday peak hours, 80% of the time.
With allowances for deviation, PTC Chairman Gerard Ee said the current 15-minute standard can drag waiting time to 20 minutes, so this should be further reduced.
So 10min is not the waiting time, it is the interval time the same services number calling in each bus stop. So it means the waiting time is definitely less than 10min, unless you saw the bus left the bus stop.
But it does realise that bus companies will need time to get more buses as well as recruit and train more drivers.
That is why this revised standard will be phased in two years from now.
Can we pay for the fare adjustment in 2 year times?
I would still say the raising bar standard for bus companies is another gimmick to justify fare adjustment. -
Originally posted by iamgoondu:
I think that it is very hard to adhere to the 10 min time lapse between consecutive buses of the same svc. Judging from the number of complaints of SMRT svcby the commuters, I highly doubt the accuracy of the PTC report recently about SMRT adhering the PTC standards.
From CHANNELNEWSASIA:
[b]Buses will now have to arrive every 10 minutes, at least during weekday peak hours, 80% of the time.
With allowances for deviation, PTC Chairman Gerard Ee said the current 15-minute standard can drag waiting time to 20 minutes, so this should be further reduced.
So 10min is not the waiting time, it is the interval time the same services number calling in each bus stop. So it means the waiting time is definitely less than 10min, unless you saw the bus left the bus stop.
But it does realise that bus companies will need time to get more buses as well as recruit and train more drivers.
That is why this revised standard will be phased in two years from now.
Can we pay for the fare adjustment in 2 year times?
I would still say the raising bar standard for bus companies is another gimmick to justify fare adjustment.
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of all smrt services i oni pleased with 190 and 854 frequency
i wonder how can 190 meet the requirement..
jam at pie/bke jam at orchard jam at SMU there sometimes , jam at stevens, jam at cck road before turning to teckwhye and bp lots of traffic lights -
Fine also no use. They only need to raise fares to cover up.
In fact, their fare increase probably exceeds any amount of fines they can incur. -
wayang only lah.
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It sounds pretty screwed up. Services like 74 can have a few buses arriving at one go within 5 minutes, and then disappear until around 15 to 20 minutes, before the pattern repeats.
That means SBST must be prepared to get fined if this keeps going on. And yeah, another bus fare hike to cover up the fine losses. -
minimum $100 fine (up to 100,000)
$100 ah peanuts! -
Seriously like this lots of buses would be clogging the roads for nothing
Svs like 57, 12 mins freq can... less than 10 mins is too frequent liao -
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actually fine them no use de. they just recover from the consumers. should just force sack the directors or fine them directly
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$100 is not even half a peanut yet. It's only 1/6000 of a peanut to the govt.Originally posted by 105090:minimum $100 fine (up to 100,000)
$100 ah peanuts! -
Does anyone see last friday forum about readers writing to The Straits Time about new service standards?
One reader is pleased that PTC is raising the service standards for buses including reducing the waiting time for buses to 10 minutes.
Another reader is disappointed that the higher standards have to be imposed by the PTC through fines to raise the standards of bus service. He feels that the problem of bus bunching is to be solved asap. -
Agree with you. The report says SBST got more serious overcrowding of buses problem than SMRT which I think its the opposite side of the story. However, I agree with the report SBST got higher bus breakdown rates than SMRT.Originally posted by tanjun:I think that it is very hard to adhere to the 10 min time lapse between consecutive buses of the same svc. Judging from the number of complaints of SMRT svcby the commuters, I highly doubt the accuracy of the PTC report recently about SMRT adhering the PTC standards. -
Is there any service standards or yardstick for MRT?
Cos most of the time, the trains are very packed and there are no seats available. -
Ok price hikes...stricter regulation...bottomline..more money for the govt... period