Areas with poor bus connections..?
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Can you just get over Mah Bow Tan's decision? I think the situation would be worse if TIBS had been allowed full control of the NE area. SMRT would cause the NEL to have bad frequency and also little connection to the city (or else where) and bad freuency for buses. Maybe they would withdraw 965 and ask people to take 866 to YCK and transfer to train. The opportunity cost would be higher if TIBS had recieved NE area and SBS remains in control of CCK/BBT.Originally posted by iveco:^5. No thanks to NEL and MBT's 1999 gaffe. -
Well, he was and has always been incompetent. Every department he headed has been ruined. Anyway, PAP standards have been going down. It is time for regime change.Originally posted by Scania:Can you just get over Mah Bow Tan's decision? I think the situation would be worse if TIBS had been allowed full control of the NE area. SMRT would cause the NEL to have bad frequency and also little connection to the city (or else where) and bad freuency for buses. Maybe they would withdraw 965 and ask people to take 866 to YCK and transfer to train. The opportunity cost would be higher if TIBS had recieved NE area and SBS remains in control of CCK/BBT.
965 was only intro in 2001. Tibs Holdings was effectively killed off when SMRT bought them over. With SMRT clinching a rail contract in Dubai, they should hive off their bus ops to a neutral player. -
Actually I am just wondering what is happening during the year 2003? Is it either control of NEL or control of NW area or is it control of either NE or NW area?Originally posted by Scania:Can you just get over Mah Bow Tan's decision? I think the situation would be worse if TIBS had been allowed full control of the NE area. SMRT would cause the NEL to have bad frequency and also little connection to the city (or else where) and bad freuency for buses. Maybe they would withdraw 965 and ask people to take 866 to YCK and transfer to train. The opportunity cost would be higher if TIBS had recieved NE area and SBS remains in control of CCK/BBT. -
just wait until joo koon bus interchange opens, then some of the services might extend towards there.Originally posted by tanjun:Maybe we can extend some services from Boon Lay to SLBP and to Tuas.
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The management of TIBS was the same until SMRT tried to brand TIBS and SLRT under its name.Originally posted by iveco:Well, he was and has always been incompetent. Every department he headed has been ruined. Anyway, PAP standards have been going down. It is time for regime change.
965 was only intro in 2001. Tibs Holdings was effectively killed off when SMRT bought them over. With SMRT clinching a rail contract in Dubai, they should hive off their bus ops to a neutral player.
SMRT has only intoduced 2 new basic services, 950 and 882 ever since they rebranded TIBS to SMRT buses. While SBST has introduced like more than 10 over the same period of time. And they weren't really focusing on their train business either. -
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SMRT HQ there...
u always can see people drinkin and eating outside and leavin the litter behind..? even the public dont like them? -
882 is meant to increase revenue for SMRT, by smartly slicing off part of 167's route.Originally posted by Scania:The management of TIBS was the same until SMRT tried to brand TIBS and SLRT under its name.
SMRT has only intoduced 2 new basic services, 950 and 882 ever since they rebranded TIBS to SMRT buses. While SBST has introduced like more than 10 over the same period of time. And they weren't really focusing on their train business either.
950 is meant to compete with 170B ... and their announcement around the North-South line, asking passengers to "take the SMRT Cross-over service 950 from Woodlands Regional Interchange, to Kotaraya 2 Terminal (It's Kotaraya Second, not Kotaraya Two =( )" is damn irritating.
People would still take 170B anyway
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Yes, SBS is much better in dealing with buses. Seems like all SMRT controlled areas except BB are being complained here. SBS does not only choose the shortest route for buses to get through estates. Instead, some buses will make a small detour to ply other main roads, like 57/59 through tp, 154 through Yung ho etc. Maybe its time to hand over bus services for SBS to handle.Originally posted by Scania:The management of TIBS was the same until SMRT tried to brand TIBS and SLRT under its name.
SMRT has only intoduced 2 new basic services, 950 and 882 ever since they rebranded TIBS to SMRT buses. While SBST has introduced like more than 10 over the same period of time. And they weren't really focusing on their train business either. -
Hi tvncq, welcome to sgforums. Anyway, I agree with you in some ways. SBST has planned the routes rather well. However, if you talk about night rider service, SMRT one is more established and the routes plied by all the 8 NRs are planned pretty well although they go round and round to pass by the housing estates.Originally posted by tvcnq:Yes, SBS is much better in dealing with buses. Seems like all SMRT controlled areas except BB are being complained here. SBS does not only choose the shortest route for buses to get through estates. Instead, some buses will make a small detour to ply other main roads, like 57/59 through tp, 154 through Yung ho etc. Maybe its time to hand over bus services for SBS to handle. -
I have Noticed that al the above post, most describe that the areas controlled by SMRT have poor linkage to the city... like Yishun, Woodlands, Yew Tee etc etc.
I must say... too bad for them as SMRT is the one in charge. If SBS Transit is in charge, I am sure SBS Transit will introduce more services, let's say from Paya Lebar area to Choa Chu Kang etc etc. That's why the residents in Sengkang should be happy that SBS Transit sacrifice Choa Chu Kang and Bukit Batok Interchange to serve them. I must say that SMRT only knows how to rob SBS Transit of their services. Ask them to intro their own services, and I doubt they will introduce any good services. Just look at Sembawang Interchange.
An example would be of good new SBS Transit Services introduced would be SBS Transit 52 and 175. With Service 52, students going to Ngee Ann Poly from Clementi Interchange would have a choice to chose 154 or 52 [I exclude 184 coz 184 is an SMRT service, that's y everytime I see 184 comes first and students rushing for it i would feel fustrated. And besides, Service 184 is originally SBS Transit Service, been robbed from SBS Transit by SMRT]. Also, if u take a look at the SMRT services passing through Ngee Ann Poly, ALL of them are originally SBS Transit Service [61, 75, 184]. In addition, students can chose to go either Clementi MRT or Dover MRT after their school with 52, 154 [and 184] or 74 respectively.
SBS Transit Service 175 help SBS Transit Service 7 in providing anothe route to Bugis Junction from Orchard Road.
Now That's what I call new good services introduced.
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1st point: those poor linkage to city... they will only say ''Take MRT''Originally posted by AsukaShinn:I have Noticed that al the above post, most describe that the areas controlled by SMRT have poor linkage to the city... like Yishun, Woodlands, Yew Tee etc etc.
SBS Transit Service 175 help SBS Transit Service 7 in providing anothe route to Bugis Junction from Orchard Road.
Shinn
2nd point: Prob is, 175 has poor freq -
Yes, i do agree that 175 have poor frequency. But if you observe closely, 175 usually dont arrive together with Svc 7. Which means to say, the travelling time from Orchard going towards Bugis have actually been cut down due to Svc 175.Originally posted by 566117:1st point: those poor linkage to city... they will only say ''Take MRT''
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i find that 52 is a very helpful service. this bus provide a direct link, being stopping directly at the bus stop besides/near it, to bishan junction 8/bishan mrt/IMM for areas that cover most of its routes. with 52 introduced, people at near the north-east area(excluding hougang) can actually have another alternative to go towards the jurong area, besides from 51.Originally posted by AsukaShinn:An example would be of good new SBS Transit Services introduced would be SBS Transit 52 and 175. With Service 52, students going to Ngee Ann Poly from Clementi Interchange would have a choice to chose 154 or 52 [I exclude 184 coz 184 is an SMRT service, that's y everytime I see 184 comes first and students rushing for it i would feel fustrated. And besides, Service 184 is originally SBS Transit Service, been robbed from SBS Transit by SMRT]. Also, if u take a look at the SMRT services passing through Ngee Ann Poly, ALL of them are originally SBS Transit Service [61, 75, 184]. In addition, students can chose to go either Clementi MRT or Dover MRT after their school with 52, 154 [and 184] or 74 respectively.
Now That's what I call new good services introduced.
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yeah.. its another good alternative. From jurong east to bishan or AMK can avoid MRT (which goes one big round).Originally posted by BusSpeeder:i find that 52 is a very helpful service. this bus provide a direct link, being stopping directly at the bus stop besides/near it, to bishan junction 8/bishan mrt/IMM for areas that cover most of its routes. with 52 introduced, people at near the north-east area(excluding hougang) can actually have another alternative to go towards the jurong area, besides from 51.
only slow part is the bishan north though -
wa.. 51 sit from NE to JE can sit until butt pain.. i tink its even longer than 67 from east to west
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52 helps relieve 156 between CLE and BSH.
Speaking of 156, it was extended from SER to SKG in 2001. -
Originally posted by iveco:52 helps relieve 156 between CLE and BSH.
Speaking of 156, it was extended from SER to SKG in 2001.
If 52 is extended to AMK, it will be better. Is 52 regulars know abt the demand of 52? Is it sizzlingly hot? -
i don't really take 52, but the demands for 52 are quite good. buses are 1/2 packed most of the time. sometimes more.Originally posted by tanjun:If 52 is extended to AMK, it will be better. Is 52 regulars know abt the demand of 52? Is it sizzlingly hot? -
There is no right turn from CLE Ave 4 into C'wealth Ave West (BNL-bound).Originally posted by tanjun: -
Oh. Is it no right turn allowed at the junction? Cos from what I see at the junction in The Street Directory, it looks normal. Anyway, this is one of my earliest fantasised bus routes created before 52. How is it? I am just thinking that there would be more demand if it is extended to Hougang.Originally posted by iveco:There is no right turn from CLE Ave 4 into C'wealth Ave West (BNL-bound). -
why trunk services that starts from boonlay and JE all end so late one?
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cos most of the trunk svc like 30,51,143,154 long long route mah....Originally posted by patdog112:why trunk services that starts from boonlay and JE all end so late one?
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52 is basically supplementing the following services:Originally posted by BusSpeeder:i don't really take 52, but the demands for 52 are quite good. buses are 1/2 packed most of the time. sometimes more.
1. 105: Jurong East/Toh Guan - Clementi MRT
2. 154: Clementi MRT - Clementi Rd (SIM/Ngee Ann Poly) (can give TIBS 184 a good fight)
3. 410: Bishan St 22 - Bishan MRT
There are quite little people travelling across from Clementi to Bishan.
Ever noticed 410 ridership went down after 52 was implemented?
Incidentally, part of 52 route is served by 165 (Clementi to Maritchie Reservoir). However, taking 165 is cheaper than 52 by ten cents. -
The reason why BB sees less complain is because where SMRT doesn't provide a direct link, SBS buses are willing to serve them. There are a total of 4 services serving the town: 66, 157, 174 & 506. These services are left behind by legacy arising from the 1999 great swap between TIBS and SBS for control over Sengkang/Punggol and Choa Chu Kang/Bt Batok.Originally posted by tvcnq:Yes, SBS is much better in dealing with buses. Seems like all SMRT controlled areas except BB are being complained here. SBS does not only choose the shortest route for buses to get through estates. Instead, some buses will make a small detour to ply other main roads, like 57/59 through tp, 154 through Yung ho etc. Maybe its time to hand over bus services for SBS to handle. -
i tink yew tee route is a headache for bus companies to plan also. lol.