New Shortworking Trip 179A for NTU Students
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Feeder bus gotta serve till last MRTOriginally posted by 798:if there is a suggestion for 179A? why dun sbs make it a feeder bus?!?
afterall ntu n boon lay not so far away rite? -
dat's a lame excuse. why dun they just admit they can earn more money since ntu populations r larger.Originally posted by sbst275:Feeder bus gotta serve till last MRT
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Looks like we could be seeing an adjustment in frequency , maybe expect more perms / Crossovers .
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I'm not joking abt this, take a look at all feeder svs...Originally posted by 798:dat's a lame excuse. why dun they just admit they can earn more money since ntu populations r larger.
Like 261, 1st bus is 0510, last bus is 0100
Or 315, 0530 to 0030 -
Originally posted by brotherchen1982:
personally i dun see the need for AM peak's 179A to return to Boon Lay int as
Starting from 1 October 2007
Boon Lay Int -> Nanyang Dr* -> Boon Lay Int
AM Peak
Nanyang Dr -> Boon Lay Int PM Peak
* Calls at 9 Bus Stops along Nanyang Dr
* Express along Jurong West St 63/Pioneer Rd Nth
* Operates on Sch Term Wkdays AM/PM Peak.
Spotted SBST Staff put up Poster at Bus Stops along Service 179 route during lunchtime... 
[b]E-PRESS RELEASE WILL BE POSTED LATER
Solution to solve 'ultra-long' Q at Boon Lay Int/NTU Bus Stops during AM/PM Peak???[/b]
1) it serves no purpose since it plys express along Jurong West St 63 and Pioneer Road North
2) I dun think there are many ppl who travelled from NTU to Boon Lay int during early in the morning....... -
I quite agree with this statement.Originally posted by ^tamago^:a limited-stops point-to-point service is not feasible for feeder services like this when there are ppl who need to alight along the way.
Imagine there's really a service 242A that stops only at Jurong West St 91, how will you feel if you are a regular 242 commuters and living in Jurong West St 72? -
Hahaha... With the exception of Bt Panjang feeder services...Originally posted by sbst275:I'm not joking abt this, take a look at all feeder svs...
Like 261, 1st bus is 0510, last bus is 0100
Or 315, 0530 to 0030
First Bus: 5:30am
Last Bus: 12:00am sharp
If ever the rules also include the last LRT train (which pass by Bt Panjang Station), probably you will see......
First Bus: 5:10am
Last Bus: 1:00am
But then again, the demand for Bt Panjang feeder services do not justify if the last bus timing is really 1am...
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This reminds me of the crowd at 804 and 806 berth during evening peak hrs.
FYI, 804 and 806 shares the same berth.
It is like a bus 804 comes. People queuing up at 804 will board the bus. Normally, it will take around 4 - 6 mins depending on the demand at that point in time and usually, the bus will be fully packed. After this bus 804 has just left that berth, a bus 806 arrives and people queuing will board the bus.
Due to the sharing of the same berth by two very hot feeder services like 804 and 806, a lot of time is wasted. -
Actually, there's no difference btwn those with A and without, as long as the bus is packed to the door, it'll still go express till NTU.
Nobody in the right mind going to JW will queue for 179 at the int in the morn.
Unless it is able to have flexible routing and skipping a "killer" junction at JW St 63 which can wait long long for the lights, I dun really see a difference. -
There is a downroute svc 242 that start frm JW ave 5 every morning in the weekdays.. More importantly, other passengers who are alighting can choose to take another duplicate service like service 99 or a normal 242.. Please understand how bad for the communter staying in JW st 91 got to travel for 25-35mins to the interchange.Originally posted by toll123:I quite agree with this statement.
Imagine there's really a service 242A that stops only at Jurong West St 91, how will you feel if you are a regular 242 commuters and living in Jurong West St 72? -
Hmm....... Then maybe 242 can split into 2 separate feeder services? Maybe 242 can be amended to ply Jurong West St 63 and Pioneer Rd North before entering St 91 while anothjer new feeder service, let's say, 241, can be introduce to serve passengers in the St 72, ave 5 area?Originally posted by chickenlittle2:There is a downroute svc 242 that start frm JW ave 5 every morning in the weekdays.. More importantly, other passengers who are alighting can choose to take another duplicate service like service 99 or a normal 242.. Please understand how bad for the communter staying in JW st 91 got to travel for 25-35mins to the interchange. -
I think svc 242 will be amended if the new Pioneer MRT station opens in the near future... So that a commuter who lives in st91-93 area can take this new station rather than boon lay...
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Actually they can also work out service 242A like that..Originally posted by toll123:Hmm....... Then maybe 242 can split into 2 separate feeder services? Maybe 242 can be amended to ply Jurong West St 63 and Pioneer Rd North before entering St 91 while anothjer new feeder service, let's say, 241, can be introduce to serve passengers in the St 72, ave 5 area?
Boon Lay Int --> Jurong West St 64 --> Jurong West Ave 4 --> Jurong West St 72 --> Jurong West Ave 5 --> Jurong West St 91/92 --> Jurong West Ave 5 --> Jurong West St 72 --> Jurong West Ave 4 --> Jurong West St 64 --- > Boon Lay Int -->
This would cut down the travelling time by 4-8 mins? Most importantly, no longer need to meet the jam along Jln Boon Lay
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So sad... I don't think I have time to spot it at all...Originally posted by service_238:Our 179 correspondent stooper will have another round of updating. good luck
A levels coming!
If SBST implemented this last year, I confirm will spot one!
I think SBS373A has been kicked out of 179. Maybe in preparation for 179A to be full ADD!
It hasn't been on the correct timeslot for the entire week. It was cameoing for SBS9291T on 179 today, but didn't have "VALID LOGON BUT ON WRONG VEHICLE" displayed. So likely SP bus -
I agree 179A will be rather useless.
Firstly, there won't be much 179A, especially in PM peak.
If they don't want to affect 242 frequency, 4 179 buses will still x-over to 242 in PM peak, leaving 179 with just 17 buses.
If they want to maintain a 5min frequency from BNL in PM peak, they need at least 9 buses. So this leaves just 8 buses to do 179A! Not a lot!
And whether 179A will be faster depends on the BC. If got pro BC on 179, confirm will overtake 179A! -
Yeah...Originally posted by toll123:personally i dun see the need for AM peak's 179A to return to Boon Lay int as
1) it serves no purpose since it plys express along Jurong West St 63 and Pioneer Road North
2) I dun think there are many ppl who travelled from NTU to Boon Lay int during early in the morning....... Maybe they can function back as normal 179 buses, otherwise, the buses will return 100% empty back to BNL. And that won't save time either, because of the traffic lights. -
I have a feeling it will be very complicated to see how they coordinate the 179 and 179A services together since both services I believe would have different timings for 1 round.
Like maybe
179 takes 40min schelduled
179A takes 35min schelduled
Then they will need to coordinate to ensure 179 & 179A don't depart at the same time.
And also, I think the crossover buses will more likely be doing 179A too. But come to think of it, it means they will need to carry 3 destos, and BC needs to keep changing destos. -
Sorry, for posting consecutive posts, but I think 179A won't solve the problem.
The main problem is the extremely uneven passenger loading, traffic lights and different BC driving styles.
I believe the uneven passenger loading might be worse when 179A is implemented.
People might wait to take 179A instead of normal 179 as they would be led to believe 179A is faster.
So 179 end up very little people, 179A full to door, delaying all 179A buses, making 179A slower than 179.
Also got different BC driving styles, took 7200U to BNL on Wednesday during PM peak. He was a young Standby BC. He managed to overtake the bus in front of him.
When he stop at the 2nd (middle) bus stop of JW St63, that 1 bus overtake him back, and 4 other 179 buses chiong pass without stopping at the bus stop and overtake him. Then he shocked, suddenly talk to himself "Whoa! Five!" -
hope for Alternate route along non stop express sector like 502 . then BC can use any route he wants to get there .Originally posted by stooper:Sorry, for posting consecutive posts, but I think 179A won't solve the problem.
The main problem is the extremely uneven passenger loading, traffic lights and different BC driving styles.
I believe the uneven passenger loading might be worse when 179A is implemented.
People might wait to take 179A instead of normal 179 as they would be led to believe 179A is faster.
So 179 end up very little people, 179A full to door, delaying all 179A buses, making 179A slower than 179.
Also got different BC driving styles, took 7200U to BNL on Wednesday during PM peak. He was a young Standby BC. He managed to overtake the bus in front of him.
When he stop at the 2nd (middle) bus stop of JW St63, that 1 bus overtake him back, and 4 other 179 buses chiong pass without stopping at the bus stop and overtake him. Then he shocked, suddenly talk to himself "Whoa! Five!" -
Maybe they should make that just the NEW svc 242, because the area along Jalan Bahar is already served well by other services like 157, 199. And usually people take 242 is to go all the way in, not to stop along Jalan Bahar.Originally posted by chickenlittle2:Actually they can also work out service 242A like that..
Boon Lay Int --> Jurong West St 64 --> Jurong West Ave 4 --> Jurong West St 72 --> Jurong West Ave 5 --> Jurong West St 91/92 --> Jurong West Ave 5 --> Jurong West St 72 --> Jurong West Ave 4 --> Jurong West St 64 --- > Boon Lay Int -->
This would cut down the travelling time by 4-8 mins? Most importantly, no longer need to meet the jam along Jln Boon Lay -
Hahaz.. Go Jln Bahar and go up to PIE , come down again Pionner Rd nth (Exit 3Originally posted by SBS BUSES LOVER:hope for Alternate route along non stop express sector like 502 . then BC can use any route he wants to get there .
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I was wondering if 179A can instead ply Boon Lay Way/Pioneer Road North express to NTU instead. I once took taxi (yes taxi, not bus) from Boon Lay to NTU using that route. Only took 8 minutes. Not forgetting Boon Lay Way is a wider road than JW St 63 and lesser traffic lights..
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Hahaz.. Go Jln Bahar and go up to PIE , come down again Pionner Rd nth (Exit 3 and turn into NTu..
from chickenlittle2I was wondering if 179A can instead ply Boon Lay Way/Pioneer Road North express to NTU instead. I once took taxi (yes taxi, not bus) from Boon Lay to NTU using that route. Only took 8 minutes. Not forgetting Boon Lay Way is a wider road than JW St 63 and lesser traffic lights..
from kuekj
Both ideas are feastible in my opinion in decreasing the time needed for a trip from BNL to NTU.
However, this can act as a form of stepping stone to solve the problem of demand over supply. Increase the number of bus deployed on 179A is still my ultimate solution. -
No use increasing the number of buses. The main problem is bus bunching which is caused by the reasons I posted about 6 posts above. if you average out the bus loading, then each bus only about all fully seated.Originally posted by tanjun:from kuekj
Both ideas are feastible in my opinion in decreasing the time needed for a trip from BNL to NTU.
However, this can act as a form of stepping stone to solve the problem of demand over supply. Increase the number of bus deployed on 179A is still my ultimate solution.
I think the fastest route to BNL from NTU (& vice versa) is to take Pioneer Rd Nth, Jurong West Ave 4, then Jurong West St 64, which is basically 192/193 route to BNL.
The Jalan Bahar/PIE route is used for AM peak down trips presently! But it wastes a lot of time. They give the bus 10min to get from BNL (16min from SLBP) to get to that down trip starting location.
Pro drivers can get from BNL to NTU using the standard route in 7-8minutes. The fastest I've seen was 5min. He must have been very lucky, with all clear traffic lights along St 63.