New Shortworking Trip 179A for NTU Students
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I posted this in the redeployment thread:
9012H (SL SP) --> SL 179
I boarded the bus this morning and saw a fresh 179 sticker. Confimed.
Suspect 9016Y also 179 perm too. But I will keep all of you updated. -
there is a suspected revision in the 242 & 179 timetable again this week . stooper & I will check it out asap .
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Yeah, 9131Y. Behind the 179A side desto was actually a 143 ADD front desto!Originally posted by bus555:Today I saw Service 179 DD used a Service 179A side desto as a front desto
They still haven't found a proper front desto today, it used a SD front 179A desto. -
Yes, 9016Y should be perm too.Originally posted by @
@:I posted this in the redeployment thread:
9012H (SL SP) --> SL 179
I boarded the bus this morning and saw a fresh 179 sticker. Confimed.
Suspect 9016Y also 179 perm too. But I will keep all of you updated.
So overall,
373A out of 179
9012H, 9016Y, 9094X new 179 perms.
Addition of 2 buses. -
Yesterday also...Originally posted by stooper:Yeah, 9131Y. Behind the 179A side desto was actually a 143 ADD front desto!
They still haven't found a proper front desto today, it used a SD front 179A desto. -
Yah lah, I saying yesterday is 179A side desto/143 as front, today 179A SD front desto as front.Originally posted by brotherchen1982:Yesterday also... -
Yes, 242 on Weekday 47 now. 179 and 255 also updated but unsure what revision. All effective 08/10/2007.Originally posted by SBS BUSES LOVER:there is a suspected revision in the 242 & 179 timetable again this week . stooper & I will check it out asap .
One of the major changes observed is that the following shift pattern doesn't exist anymore. It has swapped rounds with an E shift bus probably so BC doesn't need to keep on changing destos.
That's why I'm trying to track down the 242 x-over at 18.10 & 18.57 departure from BNL to see what bus it has become.Originally posted by stooper:SBS9152L has one of the most interesting PM peak rounds.
In PM peak, this bus leaves SLBP and goes to NTU to do 1 round of 179A.
Then it does a full normal 179 round
Then it does a normal 179 round down trip (from T2)
Then it does 2 full 242 rounds (old 9214S timeslot, 18.10, 18.57)Originally posted by stooper:
So anyone have any idea which bus did the 242 x-over at that timing in these 2 days?
BTW, does anyone know what bus did the 18.10/18.57 departure (old 9214S timeslot) on 242 from BNL today? -
What I said earlier, now I'm not sure if it's actually true...Originally posted by stooper:I have a very strong feeling that SBS373A has been kicked out since some of the S/E shift 179 buses now seem to be on weekly rotation. I.e. BC perm on bus, bus and BC together shift up one duty every week.
(i.e. 9092B, 9094X, 9128H, 9162H, 9214S same BC but different timeslot)
The BC perm on bus usually happens when the whole fleet has the same kind of buses.
The BC perm on bus for 179 may not be true. It may be just with the addition of the new low numbered rego buses, that all the other buses also shift up by one duty number so the lowest rego buses are A/P shift buses. Just so coincidental that the next shift the BC drive is the same bus as last week. -
Haven't seen any of the latest 179 timesheets yet, but this is the predicted duty order, based on the regoes and BCs driving the bus.
A/P & E duty nos. more or less confirmed correct, but S shift duty nos. not so sure
A/P shift
1A/6P: 9015A
2A/7P: 9016Y
3A/8P: 9021G
4A/9P: 9031C
5A/10P: 9049C
E shift
26E: 9291T (242 x-over)
27E: 9334D (242 x-over)
28E: 9111E
S shift (most messiest) predicted!
11S: 9064H
12S: 9140X (242 x-over)
13S: 9152L (242 x-over)
14S: 9162H (242 x-over)
15S: 9365P (242 x-over), fixed BC (duty no. difficult to predict, may not be correct)
16S: 9176T (242 x-over)
17S: 9214S (242 x-over)
18S: 9065E
19S: 9012H (255 x-over)
20S: 9128H
21S: 9131Y
22S: 9363U (255 x-over), fixed BC (duty no. difficult to predict, may not be correct)
23S: 9088P
24S: 9092B
25S: 9094X
S/E shift BC rotation order:
11S
12S 13S 14S 26E 16S 17S 18S 19S 20S 21S 27E 23S 24S 25S 28E cycle repeats
ex-9059Z/9365P BC taking 9363U (22S)
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By the way, the 242 Weekday 42 timings last time I uploaded are still applicable for today's Weekday 47 after 8am+.
Before 8am I am not so sure due to the crossover buses.
The most significant change is that 3820G and 3863H have swapped places
So now,
3820G is 5A/12P
3863H is 7A/14P
255 timings are also fully unchanged. -
Sorry for bumping this thread up, but 179A timesheet is not so simple. 9128H and 9131Y are actually purely 179A buses, but will x-over to 179, just like the FFW buses operate under separate timetables instead their parent service. I haven't seen the timesheets of those 2 buses yet to see what the "Service" column says. Maybe 179A or some 5xx. These 2 buses so far have only been driven by Standby BCs.Originally posted by stooper:Haven't seen any of the latest 179 timesheets yet, but this is the predicted duty order, based on the regoes and BCs driving the bus.
A/P & E duty nos. more or less confirmed correct, but S shift duty nos. not so sure
A/P shift
E shift
S shift (most messiest)predicted!
A/P shift
1A/6P: 9015A
2A/7P: 9016Y
3A/8P: 9021G
4A/9P: 9031C
5A/10P: 9049C
S shift
11S: 9064H
12S: 9140X (242 AM x-over)
13S: 9363U (255 AM x-over), fixed BC
14S: 9152L (242 AM/PM x-over)
15S: 9162H (242 AM/PM x-over)
16S: 9365P (242 AM/PM x-over), fixed BC (duty no. unconfirmed)
17S: 9176T (242 AM x-over)
18S: 9214S (242 AM x-over)
19S: 9065E
20S: 9012H (255 AM x-over)
21S: 9088P
22S: 9092B
23S: 9094X
E shift
24E: 9291T (242 AM/PM x-over)
25E: 9334D (242 AM x-over)
26E: 9111E
S/E shift BC rotation order:
11S 12S 14S 15S 24E 17S 18S 19S 20S 25E 21S 22S 23S 26E (cycle repeats) -
BTW, the bunching problem hasn't been solved. It seems worse than ever, the 179A BCs just anyhow whack, don't care about their timings in PM peak, end up 5 or 6 179A buses bunch and start trip together. Then 20minutes no bus, then the following normal 179 buses are packed till door. Then another bunch of 5-6 179A buses all start trip together.
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179A bus service will not be operating during vacation periods, from 01 Dec 07 to 06 Jan 08. 179 will operate as per usual.
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Very obvious that there aren't such heavy load for 179 during NTU Vacation period...Originally posted by foxtrot1985:179A bus service will not be operating during vacation periods, from 01 Dec 07 to 06 Jan 08. 179 will operate as per usual.
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complain!!!!Originally posted by stooper:BTW, the bunching problem hasn't been solved. It seems worse than ever, the 179A BCs just anyhow whack, don't care about their timings in PM peak, end up 5 or 6 179A buses bunch and start trip together. Then 20minutes no bus, then the following normal 179 buses are packed till door. Then another bunch of 5-6 179A buses all start trip together. Since you know the 179 drivers why not ask them instead? -
When I asked, they said one of the reasons is because of traffic conditions. By the time they get to NTU to start trip after negotiating all the traffic lights, they may be up to 5min late. But some other BCs would be 1 or 2min early and don't want to wait, so just strat trip. So, in the end 4 or 5 start bus together!Originally posted by service_238:complain!!!! Since you know the 179 drivers why not ask them instead?
But now, this won't happen as often. A new timetable is effective this week.
In the past, in the late PM peak (18.30 onwards), 12 out of 19 buses would be on 179A, the other 4 on 242.
Now, in the latest revision, only 7 out of the 19 buses are on 179A in late PM peak.
For PM peak now, BCs either do all 179 trips, or do 1 179 trip before x-overing to 179A, or do all 179A trips. No more messy x-overing from 179 to 179A then back to 179, etc... -
I think they got improve the frequency on svc 242 between 7.30am to 7.55am.. Cos the gap between SBS 3863H / SBS 3783E & SBS 9162H is quite big.. SBS 9156B is like sometime in sometimes nt in..Originally posted by stooper:When I asked, they said one of the reasons is because of traffic conditions. By the time they get to NTU to start trip after negotiating all the traffic lights, they may be up to 5min late. But some other BCs would be 1 or 2min early and don't want to wait, so just strat trip. So, in the end 4 or 5 start bus together!
But now, this won't happen as often. A new timetable is effective this week.
In the past, in the late PM peak (18.30 onwards), 12 out of 19 buses would be on 179A, the other 4 on 242.
Now, in the latest revision, only 7 out of the 19 buses are on 179A in late PM peak.
For PM peak now, BCs either do all 179 trips, or do 1 179 trip before x-overing to 179A, or do all 179A trips. No more messy x-overing from 179 to 179A then back to 179, etc... -
I have no idea. Maybe you can check the timesheet to check what revision it is on. If it's still Weekday 47, means no change.Originally posted by chickenlittle2:I think they got improve the frequency on svc 242 between 7.30am to 7.55am.. Cos the gap between SBS 3863H / SBS 3783E & SBS 9162H is quite big.. SBS 9156B is like sometime in sometimes nt in..
So far, after the AM peak until last bus, the timings are still exactly the same as the timetable I uploaded previously. During AM peak I not so sure. -
yeah.... but during the pm peak, why the 179A nvr pick up passengers at boon lay interchange... they just go out the interchange without any passenger, while i am sure many ppl who wait at 179 bay, may want to go to NTU. Not very effective loh. Since the present of 179A increases the no of bus passing through pioneer rd, why dont they just increase the no of 179 buses instead of having 179A.Originally posted by sbst275:But 179A will skip the bus stops, reducing the turnaround time. Though the time savings might not be much with the traffic junctions
and 179A is not a shorter trip than 179, it just doesnt stop at some bus stops. quite a waste of resources. -
Anyone noticed the 179A side destos says "AM Peak" for mornings but "PM Pack" for evenings? wonder why.
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Originally posted by oahiyeel:
Typo lah
Anyone noticed the 179A side destos says "AM Peak" for mornings but "PM [b]Pack" for evenings? wonder why.[/b]. Anyway a picture would be nice 
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If you increase the number of buses instead, then bus bunching will become worse also.Originally posted by faithful967:yeah.... but during the pm peak, why the 179A nvr pick up passengers at boon lay interchange... they just go out the interchange without any passenger, while i am sure many ppl who wait at 179 bay, may want to go to NTU. Not very effective loh. Since the present of 179A increases the no of bus passing through pioneer rd, why dont they just increase the no of 179 buses instead of having 179A.
and 179A is not a shorter trip than 179, it just doesnt stop at some bus stops. quite a waste of resources.
I still think 179A shouldn't use JW St 63, otherwise, no benefit in timings.
Got one time, I take normal 179, then the BC kept on flooring the bus. In the end, we managed to overtake another 179 and a 179A bus. -
There is one BC like to use JW Ave 5 and turn into JW st 71 back to BNL when driving 179A..Originally posted by stooper:If you increase the number of buses instead, then bus bunching will become worse also.
I still think 179A shouldn't use JW St 63, otherwise, no benefit in timings.
Got one time, I take normal 179, then the BC kept on flooring the bus. In the end, we managed to overtake another 179 and a 179A bus. -
Svc 242 got a addition bus between 7.35am to 7.55am.. After SBS 3863H is SBS 482T then SBS 9156B then SBS 9162H..Originally posted by stooper:I have no idea. Maybe you can check the timesheet to check what revision it is on. If it's still Weekday 47, means no change.
So far, after the AM peak until last bus, the timings are still exactly the same as the timetable I uploaded previously. During AM peak I not so sure. -
BTW, do you know what are all the 8 new 179 xovers in AM peak according to the 242 timetable I uploaded?Originally posted by chickenlittle2:Svc 242 got a addition bus between 7.35am to 7.55am.. After SBS 3863H is SBS 482T then SBS 9156B then SBS 9162H..
Like what is the bus that now departs BNL at 0700, 0707, etc? If can give all the 8 regoes, probably can deduce duty number easily.