Should there be more SBS services in Yishun?
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whaddaya think?
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Yishun don't really have the demand for it. The town is small compared to Woodlands.
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Why not you recommend a new route together with the route details for everybody to comment?
Just my opinion. -
Some possible scenarios ... Choose within a combo but not really all ba.
Since the kuku PTC and their 2-to-1 policy, SBS Buses can't go beyond Yishun Interchange (too bad Sembawang ...)
1. Extend SBS 45 from AMK Depot to Yishun Interchange to make 26.5+8 = 34.5 fare stages total.
To compete certain parts of SMRT 853, its extended route, and 854
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2. Extend SBS 103/103W so that it go past Seletar Airport to Seletar Country Club, Yishun Avenue 1 (via Orchid Country Club), Yishun Avenue 4, Yishun Ring Road or Central, Yishun Interchange.
Not sure about the total number of fare stages since new bus stops would have to be implemented around the Yishun Avenue 1 stretch.
3. Extend SBS 72 to Yishun to make 22+8 = 30 Fare Stages total.
Woot ... B9TLs in Yishun
, would help complement, not compete, 854 in Hougang.
4. Extend SBS 76/135 to Yishun Interchange.
Sounds far-fetched, but 853 would be affected by the Circle Line Rationalisation Exercise. If 853 is removed instead of being amended (to perm 853C) then 76/135 would help cash in the golds, just like how 16 replacing 608. -
Yishun is so ulu the bus companies are not interested...
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Sure. Then why are there people packing into 969 like sardines, even in non-peak hours, in Tampines?Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:Yishun is so ulu the bus companies are not interested... -
So far, YSH is the only suburb that has no trace of DD influence at all. At least WDL got VSO.
CCK and BPJ were once served by DDs in the past. YSH has never been penetrated by any DD. -
WDL got B9TL liaoOriginally posted by iveco:So far, YSH is the only suburb that has no trace of DD influence at all. At least WDL got VSO.
CCK and BPJ were once served by DDs in the past. YSH has never been penetrated by any DD. -
i think idea no. 2 and 3 is great leh
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Ok. Let me present my thoughts.Originally posted by Yaimster:Some possible scenarios ... Choose within a combo but not really all ba.
Since the kuku PTC and their 2-to-1 policy, SBS Buses can't go beyond Yishun Interchange (too bad Sembawang ...)
1. Extend SBS 45 from AMK Depot to Yishun Interchange to make 26.5+8 = 34.5 fare stages total.
To compete certain parts of SMRT 853, its extended route, and 854.
2. Extend SBS 103/103W so that it go past Seletar Airport to Seletar Country Club, Yishun Avenue 1 (via Orchid Country Club), Yishun Avenue 4, Yishun Ring Road or Central, Yishun Interchange.Not sure about the total number of fare stages since new bus stops would have to be implemented around the Yishun Avenue 1 stretch.
3. Extend SBS 72 to Yishun to make 22+8 = 30 Fare Stages total.
Woot ... B9TLs in Yishun, would help complement, not compete, 854 in Hougang.
4. Extend SBS 76/135 to Yishun Interchange.
Sounds far-fetched, but 853 would be affected by the Circle Line Rationalisation Exercise. If 853 is removed instead of being amended (to perm 853C) then 76/135 would help cash in the golds, just like how 16 replacing 608.
1. This idea is not bad as this new extended service 45 doesn't really duplicate from AMK Ave 6 onwards to Upp East Coast. It provides a direct link from Yishun to AMK Ave 10. Provides a direct link from Yishun to Lor Ah Soo.
The only problem in my opinion is that it duplicates 851, 852 and 853 from AMK Ave 6 (Anderson Junior College) to Yishun which is about 7.5 stages.
2. By referring to The Street Directory by Mighty Minds, you need to travel Seletar Club Rd to link up to Yishun Ave 1. Besides, there is a gate between West Camp Rd and Seletar Club Rd at the northern junction of the circle roundabout. In addition, if 103/103W takes this route, it will skip Seletar Airport.
In my opinion, the major problem of idea No. 2 is the demand of the route. Judging from the timings and freq of 103W, the demand of commuters goign from Serangoon to Seletar Airport is not high in my opinion. Passengers going from Seletar Airport to Yishun can take 103W to Jalan Kayu and transfer to 858 or 39 instead.
From Yishun to Fernvale, 854 provides a direct link. 853 serves from Yishun to Serangoon Central. So, what is remaining is the YCK rd from Bowen to Serangoon Stadium.
As 103/103W is a SBST service, I don't think this service can go into Yishun Ave 4 or St 61 to serve Yishun residents. Thus, I feel that this idea is not really feastible to carry out.
3. I feel that this idea is gd as it provides a direct link from Yishun to AMK Ave 5 industrial areas, Hougang Ave 9 and Hougang Ctrl. The only problem which I think is the same as idea 1, duplication of 851, 852, 853 from Yishun to AMK Ave 6 Anderson Junior College. I feel that this idea 3 is better than idea 1 as it duplicates the least with SMRT Yishun trunk services. Demand for this service in my opinion will be rather healthy.
4. I dun think service 76 can be extended to Yishun as it will be too long for a loop service in terms of a trip from Yishun to Siglap Rd. The total fare stages for 76 then will be 49 + 15 = 64 stages. The extension of 135 to Yishun will heavily duplicate 853 if it is extended through AMK Ave 8, Ave 3, Ave 6 Lentor Ave and Yishun. Besides, 853 goes to Marine Parade in Sundays and Public Holidays using Amber Rd, Marine Parade Rd, Siglap Rd which 135 passes by them too.
Just a thought. On the whole, in my opinion, idea 3 is the best. -
to think of it....any anti-DD people would like to stay in YSH...Originally posted by iveco:So far, YSH is the only suburb that has no trace of DD influence at all. At least WDL got VSO.
CCK and BPJ were once served by DDs in the past. YSH has never been penetrated by any DD. -
how about not duplicating the 851,852,852 long copying route by replacing 45,72 or 103 to go via the mandai side of Yishun Ave 1 and as well serve the residents at YishuN Ring Road so it would be easier for them to get a bus going to their destination near their houses
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FYI, there are some planning that yishun will get a new interchange intergated with a shopping mall
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Hmm ... I thought of that too, but Yishun roads are quite inflexible in the sense that firstly, Yishun Avenue 2 provides the most direct route to the central. Secondly, diverting to other routes might be sensitive as such diversions snatches the huge load away from SMRTOriginally posted by chocolates-xed:how about not duplicating the 851,852,852 long copying route by replacing 45,72 or 103 to go via the mandai side of Yishun Ave 1 and as well serve the residents at YishuN Ring Road so it would be easier for them to get a bus going to their destination near their houses
Turning left to YIS Ave 1 then to Sembawang Road, would compete with 169 and 171 for the load in the Military Campsites. Turning right to YIS Ave 1 then to St 81, Ave 4 or Ring Road would compete with the monopolies of SMRT Feeders (804, 806, 811, 812).
Then again, I heard that PTC is "opening up of feeder bus services in HDB towns for free competition." (http://www.ptc.gov.sg/services.asp). Maybe you're right in diverting some potential SBS routes. -
Is it like AMK?Originally posted by choww:FYI, there are some planning that yishun will get a new interchange intergated with a shopping mall
Yishun is getting a hospital too. So, don't underestimate the power of Yishun. Look at 804, 806 and the interchange. In my opinion, the interchange is becoming more bustling than ever. -
I saw them, and it seemed too good to be true. Look at projects like Punggol 21 and Master Plan 2003 for Bukit Panjang. Moreover, I think at best Yishun Int will be upgraded by earliest, mid-2010s I think. Until Clementi and Boon Lay interchanges have finished their upgrades then we talk about Yishun baOriginally posted by choww:FYI, there are some planning that yishun will get a new interchange intergated with a shopping mall . -
I think he meant after all the TPE services that we already have.Originally posted by Yaimster:Sure. Then why are there people packing into 969 like sardines, even in non-peak hours, in Tampines? -
I may say this:
I plan a new service
164: Yishun to Boon Lay
Passes by: Yishun MRT, Yishun Mosque, Straight, turns right at junction before Sembawang MRT, turns right to Wellington Circle and goes straight till junction before Canberra Primary and turns left, Sun Plaza, turns right to Sembawang Crescent, turns left after meeting with main road goes straight till Admiralty where it turns left aft. Admiralty MRT, Turns left near Woodlands NPC, turns right before Greenwood Primary, straight Woodgrove Secondary, turns left , goes straight, passes Innova JC turns left to SLE, Turf Club Road, Turns left at junction after Kranji MRT. Straight along Woodlands Road, turns right at Ten Mile Junction, straight, turns right at Brickland Road, turns left to KJE, exits at Jalan Bahar, Westwood Secondary, turns right to Jurong Ave 3, turns left at Gek Poh Shopping Centre Junction, follows 243 route till junction at Frontier CC, turns left Boon Lay Shopping Centre, turns right, turns left, turns right, turn right to end at Boon Lay
Short trips:
164w Yishun to Woodlands Interchange: (supplement service)
follows normal route till reaching junction near Innova JC and mainroad to SLE and turns right and follows 161 route to end at Woodlands. Starts at 6:00 and ends at 9:00, 14:00 till end of operation
164A Boon Lay to Kranji(looping)
Follows normal route until junction at Turf City Road and goes straight to end at Kranji Terminal: Operates from 5:45 to 8:30 and 16:45 till 20:00
Buses required: SDs only
20 buses required for 164
9 buses required for 164w
10 DDs required for 164A
Depots controlling Service: SLBP, AMDEP and BBDEP -
Reading your decription gives me a headacheOriginally posted by tintinspartan:I may say this:
I plan a new service
164: Yishun to Boon Lay
Passes by: Yishun MRT, Yishun Mosque, Straight, turns right at junction before Sembawang MRT, turns right to Wellington Circle and goes straight till junction before Canberra Primary and turns left, Sun Plaza, turns right to Sembawang Crescent, turns left after meeting with main road goes straight till Admiralty where it turns left aft. Admiralty MRT, Turns left near Woodlands NPC, turns right before Greenwood Primary, straight Woodgrove Secondary, turns left , goes straight, passes Innova JC turns left to SLE, Turf Club Road, Turns left at junction after Kranji MRT. Straight along Woodlands Road, turns right at Ten Mile Junction, straight, turns right at Brickland Road, turns left to KJE, exits at Jalan Bahar, Westwood Secondary, turns right to Jurong Ave 3, turns left at Gek Poh Shopping Centre Junction, follows 243 route till junction at Frontier CC, turns left Boon Lay Shopping Centre, turns right, turns left, turns right, turn right to end at Boon Lay
Next time just state the road name it passes through.
If ever implemented, it'll most probably be a SMRT svc as it passes through WDL, SBW and YSH. -
DDOriginally posted by tintinspartan:Short trips:
164W Yishun to Woodlands Interchange: (supplement service)
follows normal route till reaching junction near Innova JC and mainroad to SLE and turns right and follows 161 route to end at Woodlands. Starts at 6:00 and ends at 9:00, 14:00 till end of operation
164A Boon Lay to Kranji(looping)
Follows normal route until junction at Turf City Road and goes straight to end at Kranji Terminal: Operates from 5:45 to 8:30 and 16:45 till 20:00
Buses required: SDs only
20 buses required for 164
9 buses required for 164w
10 DDs required for 164A
Depots controlling Service: SLBP, AMDEP and BBDEP
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I don't think SBS Transit will be able to drive such a route under the PTC guidelines. -
but like svc 164 u suggested is passing through MRT stations, ppl wud rather take MRT? as its faster?
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good luck to DDs going into Yishun
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169 could be given back to SBS, who will put VSOs to serve on this route.
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erm... +1Originally posted by SBS9828X:good luck to DDs going into Yishun
someone once mentioned that yishun int has low ceiling. no dd has ever passed through that ceiling so i don't know whether it's poossible, but best not to try, sekali the bus crash into the ceiling then gg.
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From the PDF File: "2 To ensure that the incumbent operators do not crowd out potential new players, SBS and TIBSOriginally posted by Yaimster:Then again, I heard that PTC is "opening up of feeder bus services in HDB towns for free competition." (http://www.ptc.gov.sg/services.asp). Maybe you're right in diverting some potential SBS routes.
(as well as their subsidiaries or associate companies) will not be allowed to participate as "new
players" in each other's territory."
Won't happen
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