Another reason is the down trips. The down trips may depart on time, but the other buses which are supposed to be in front or behind the down trip bus may not be on schedule, and end up bunching with the down trip bus. This is also a big problem on 179A today, where even the 179A BCs doing the PM peak don't start on time. I've seen 4 buses start 179A at the same time.Originally posted by tanjun:Coming to the topic of bus bunching, it will tend to occur for the following reasons.
1. If a bus is behind schedule by x mins, it will have to pick up y more passengers due to the x mins lapse for every bus stops making an assumption that every bus stop generate the same amount of passengers every minute.
2. Traffic conditions.
Probably because since Germany is a huge country there is a larger space allocated per car on the roads compared to Singapore which has very little space...Originally posted by eagle:i was waiting for bus 325 that time
no bunching, but i was there at 8.55am. There were quite a number of pple waiting and the normal waiting time is around 15 mins
In the end, the bus came at 915am, and I counted 22 people at the bus stop.
For a feeder bus with a short route, isn't SBS inefficient considering that their buses cannot keep to the time specified?
In Germany, even if buses travel far, their arrival times are within few minutes of the stated time. Why can't SBS even achieve that for a mere feeder bus?
no, there are lesser lanes per road as compared to singaporeOriginally posted by Oceane:Probably because since Germany is a huge country there is a larger space allocated per car on the roads compared to Singapore which has very little space...
Well but if you compare the amount of space given for a car in Germany to Singapore, you'd probably find that even with many cars the cars do not clog up while driving... a very fine example is the North-South Highway in Malaysia. 2 lanes per direction, yet the distance between each car, on average is around 50-100m.Originally posted by eagle:no, there are lesser lanes per road as compared to singapore
Parking is a big problem there, so the number of cars shouldn't be that little. Furthermore, cars are much cheaper than in Singapore.
Yet surprisingly, the buses comes on the dot, such that no one can really give the excuse that they are late because the bus came late.
so you think for the route of bus 325 at that time in the morning, it is still clogged?Originally posted by Oceane:Well but if you compare the amount of space given for a car in Germany to Singapore, you'd probably find that even with many cars the cars do not clog up while driving... a very fine example is the North-South Highway in Malaysia. 2 lanes per direction, yet the distance between each car, on average is around 50-100m.
Singapore expressways have 3-5 lanes per direction, yet it gets clogged up almost every other day.
And Malaysia has a large number of cars as well as the pricing is cheaper there.
So I'd guess the clogging problem has to do with the limited amounts of space in Singapore... but what can we do?Just live with it lor...
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There is a BC from Sv 325 who drives slowly and late for most of the time. Most of the time, the bus that is behind of his will manage to catch up his bus.Originally posted by eagle:i was waiting for bus 325 that time
no bunching, but i was there at 8.55am. There were quite a number of pple waiting and the normal waiting time is around 15 mins
In the end, the bus came at 915am, and I counted 22 people at the bus stop.
For a feeder bus with a short route, isn't SBS inefficient considering that their buses cannot keep to the time specified?
In Germany, even if buses travel far, their arrival times are within few minutes of the stated time. Why can't SBS even achieve that for a mere feeder bus?
you take 325 go where? =SOriginally posted by eagle:i was waiting for bus 325 that time
no bunching, but i was there at 8.55am. There were quite a number of pple waiting and the normal waiting time is around 15 mins
In the end, the bus came at 915am, and I counted 22 people at the bus stop.
For a feeder bus with a short route, isn't SBS inefficient considering that their buses cannot keep to the time specified?
In Germany, even if buses travel far, their arrival times are within few minutes of the stated time. Why can't SBS even achieve that for a mere feeder bus?
Originally posted by tanjun:During peak hours the 147 takes under 2 hours for one trip. to be exact its 1 hour 46-51min. Of course it will exceed 2 hours if the driver is more than 10min behind schedule.
And the most interesting thing is that both buses came its berth at the same time.
It is considered very tough driving service 147.
1. Route has 35 stages from Hougang to Clementi.
2. Encounters frequent traffic jams along Jalan Besar to Bras Basah Rd
3. I have researched 3 yrs ago for 147, it takes around 2 hrs for a bus to travel from Hougang to Clementi. I am not sure how long it takes for now but what I know is that it is definitely longer than 2 hrs due to high number of vehicles on the road now.
Just a thought. And besides, is the thing in bold a common way to so called curb bus bunching problem?
i totally agree. it is draggy but it is not useless. 325 is useful for peeps gg Hg ave 2 to go kovan etc. bbut then..why not amend 325 to kovan end there n have this 329 go from HG int direct via ave 9 and loop at st 91..Originally posted by Y_Shun:you take 325 go where? =S
if you are going HG point that part...can take 72.
going hougang green/buangkok green take 101.
imo 325 is so draggy and useless >_>
Another reason is the down trips. The down trips may depart on time, but the other buses which are supposed to be in front or behind the down trip bus may not be on schedule, and end up bunching with the down trip bus. This is also a big problem on 179A today, where even the 179A BCs doing the PM peak don't start on time. I've seen 4 buses start 179A at the same time.Yup. I am just wondering why do they have to do downtrips for 179A since the route is rather short. It just makes things very complicated be it timings and schedules. And, I agree with you that it also causes the problem of bus bunching.
It had better pax before the amendment to Hg Ave 2Originally posted by ZYX2005:i totally agree. it is draggy but it is not useless. 325 is useful for peeps gg Hg ave 2 to go kovan etc. bbut then..why not amend 325 to kovan end there n have this 329 go from HG int direct via ave 9 and loop at st 91..
ZYX
better service i tink to the st 91 n ave 9 peeps
Yeah, I can agree.Originally posted by ZYX2005:325 is not a short feeder. it is classified as a long feeder. equivalent to gg from clementi to chiantown the dist. there is of course possible jams along the way.
325 drivers also tend to drive slowly for no particular reason. that is possible why they r always late. in fact lately feeder buses r more like tortoise buses.
ZYX
agree with the red part.Originally posted by gorby107:It had better pax before the amendment to Hg Ave 2
The killer part is the traffic light junction between Upper Serangoon Rd and Hougang Ave 2/3 as that area will experience traffic jam during peak hours and it will take around 5+ mins to make the right turn to Hougang Ave 2 which waste a lot of time.
Perhaps they could extend Sv 115 to ply to some other parts of HG.Originally posted by Y_Shun:agree with the red part.
imo, its v. hard to plan route in hg =/
you can satisfy this part of residents, but cannot satisfy the other part.
tot last time they said that Sv 115 was to come out from hg dep...dunno how it became to start from kovan hub.Originally posted by gorby107:Perhaps they could extend Sv 115 to ply to some other parts of HG.
From my observation, there are slight increase of passengers taking the service, even with the arrival of Sv 113.
Many commuters complained on the deployment of the NAC bus.
One elderly complained to MP Cynthia Phua but she told her that old people scared cold, so it is still alright to continue to use NAC bus
Pity the perm BC who drive this service, but also quite relaxing.![]()
I heard both BCs talk to each other for a short while before driving off. The BC of 9216 mentioned to the BC of 7313 about waiting for a couple of mins before driving off and of course grumbling about the officer at the Transitlink Office telling him and the other BC to drive off as soon as they reach the int to scan their card. Please spare a thought for our bus captains. They have worked hard too. There was once I enocuntered a bus captain who explained to passengers last time about how come the long wait for 147.Originally posted by service_238:During peak hours the 147 takes under 2 hours for one trip. to be exact its 1 hour 46-51min. Of course it will exceed 2 hours if the driver is more than 10min behind schedule.
The best way to solve the problem highlighted by you is for 9216 to depart as what you said, with 7313 to start a downroute from Bendemeer Rd or Serangoon MRT, depending on how behind schedule is he. The main point is for 7313 to go back to schedule. Of course this would depend on how behind time is this fella. I dont think he will start from Hougang Ave 2 because by the time he reaches there, 9216 would have reached around Monfort Sch, no point.
Originally posted by Y_Shun:you take 325 go where? =S
if you are going HG point that part...can take 72.
going hougang green/buangkok green take 101.
imo 325 is so draggy and useless >_>
35 mins waits do happen for service 325Originally posted by carbikebus:Alamak,Bus brunching also complain,Bus late also complain.What gonna happen to Singaporeans nowadays?I rather have 147 brunching rather than have to wait 35mins per bus.
u doubt the effectiveness of it? U imagine the whole fleet of sv147 chiong at a fast speed. lets sae 10 buses speed.. and can u imagine the next time freq is at 60 min? Do u want tat? Or u rather want to have a constant freq in between buses?Originally posted by tanjun:I heard both BCs talk to each other for a short while before driving off. The BC of 9216 mentioned to the BC of 7313 about waiting for a couple of mins before driving off and of course grumbling about the officer at the Transitlink Office telling him and the other BC to drive off as soon as they reach the int to scan their card. Please spare a thought for our bus captains. They have worked hard too. There was once I enocuntered a bus captain who explained to passengers last time about how come the long wait for 147.
His reason: Jalan Besar jammed. And he joked that he hadn't gone to the toilet yet to finish undone tasks.
I agree with you as mentioned above. 7313 should start a downroute by the time lapse. 9216 may have picked up more passengers but less passengers are affected by the bus bunching problem.
Passing by SBST website, under the FAQ section, there is a question asked by many commuters about Why do Bus Captains drive so slowly?
The reply from SBST was something about to prevent bus bunching and to ensure that bus captains. I doubt the effectiveness of that.