SMRT Area residents being ignored?
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Not only about the money...waiting times for transferring is quite an important soon. Imagine making 2 transfers and end up waiting 20 mins.Originally posted by tanjun:I guess since SMRT controls a large portion of area in terms of MRT lines, they don't really need to introduce a lot of trunk service routes to complement with the MRT lines. Anyway, many people are taking MRT nowadays instead of trunk service buses to their destinations since they are faster.
So, I infer that with Circle Line coming up, they are trying to make journeys especially at SMRT areas like this.
Feeder/Trunk to MRT, MRT to another MRT station. Feeder/Trunk from MRT station to another destination.
As a result, multiple transfers are required.
What I can recommend is that perhaps they can increase the transfer rebate to reduce the prices caused by transferring and make this type of journeys a more attractive one. -
Originally posted by phillipC:
It's a different thing...
This is what I called "suck thumb"......
You can't do anything with the nonsense reply.
Quite a lot of things not answer : eg but what about the basic services used by the majority?
Withdraw service 921 and substitute that with service 922. that's is called introduction of new service. same for 882.
Also, after 12.00 midnight you will hardly see any SMRT services in town that return to the housing estates.... Conversely.... at 1 am I still can see Sv 170 plying from JB towards Queen Street at Woodlands Road.
170 plies between MY and SG so after midnight expect to see some buses still plying between these 2 countries. That's because Malaysian workers often makes use of these buses to go back to MY and since some of them gets off from work quite late these buses are still required to be in operation to fetch them back to MY. -
How "well" can they get when I have to wait 8 mins for a North-South line train during off peak, at times even above 10 mins, irregular waiting times (ranging from 2 to 5 mins) in the morning peak and trains that's almost forever filled up (seating capacity are 100% filled for large percentage of trips)?Originally posted by Oceane:Well, SMRT has done magnificently well for the Trains part, maybe because they specialise in trains. -
all SMRT needs to do is go back to 2000 year plan. look at the stub marked train scheduling and reset freq to 90 sec per train during peak and 2 min off peak
settle the matter
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The 90 sec freq doesn't include stations beyond Yishun (North bound). Frequency at Yishun and beyond still stands at 4 to 5 mins that time.Originally posted by ZYX2005:all SMRT needs to do is go back to 2000 year plan. look at the stub marked train scheduling and reset freq to 90 sec per train during peak and 2 min off peak
settle the matter
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EsplanadeOriginally posted by phillipC:
This is what I called "suck thumb"......
You can't do anything with the nonsense reply.
Quite a lot of things not answer : eg but what about the basic services used by the majority?
Withdraw service 921 and substitute that with service 922. that's is called introduction of new service. same for 882.
Also, after 12.00 midnight you will hardly see any SMRT services in town that return to the housing estates.... Conversely.... at 1 am I still can see Sv 170 plying from JB towards Queen Street at Woodlands Road.
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[quote]Originally posted by Oceane:It's a different thing...
170 plies between MY and SG so after midnight expect to see some buses still plying between these 2 countries. That's because Malaysian workers often makes use of these buses to go back to MY and since some of them gets off from work quite late these buses are still required to be in operation to fetch them back to MY.
56 11.50pm (12.20am on Saturdays)
70 12midnight
97 12midnight
111 12.40am
133 12.17am (12.30am on Saturdays)
162 12.28am on weekdays
502 12.05am
75 11.50pm
77 11.35pm
106 11.35pm
171 11.35pm
700A ?
857 12.05pm
Bugis
2 12.13am
7 (Bedok) 12.05am
7 (Clementi) 12.00am
12 12.13am
32 (Bedok) 12.30am
32 (Buona Vista) 12.10am
33 (Bedok) 12.25am
33 (Kent Ridge) 12.20am
63 12.30am
80 12.45am
51 (Hougang) 12.45am
51 (Jurong East) 12.10am
130 11.45pm
133 12.25am (12.40am on Saturdays)
145 (Toa Payoh) 12.15am (12.45am on Saturdays)
145 (Buona Vista) 12.25am
175 (Clementi) 11.50pm
197 (Bedok) 12.40am
197 (Jurong East) 12.20am
61 (Eunos) 12.35am
61 (Bt Batok) 12.05am
851 12.12am
960 11.42pm
980 11.46pm
Somerset
7 (Bedok) 12.10am
7 (Clementi) 11.56pm
14 (Bedok) 12.07am
14 (Clementi) 12.35am (12.40am on Saturdays)
16 (Bt Merah) 12.30am
36 (Airport via Marine Parade) 11.50pm
65 (Tampines) 12.20am
65 (HarbourFront) 12.25am
111 (Ghim Moh) 12.50am
123 (Bt Prumei Ave) 12.10am
123 (Bt Merah via Queensway) 12.50am
124 (Telok Blangah) 12.20am
124 (St. Michael's) 12.45am
143 (Jurong East) 11.45pm
143 (Toa Payoh) 12.30am (1am on Saturdays)
162 (Yio Chu Kang) 12.40am (12.45am on Saturdays, 12.30am on Sundays)
174 (Boon Lay) 12.04am
175 (Clementi) 12midnight
502 12.15am
518 12.10am
77 11.45pm
106 11.45pm
167 12.10am
171 11.45pm
190 11.50pm
700A ?
Hill St MICA
124 (St. Michael's) 12.37am
145 (Toa Payoh) 12.27am
147 (Hougang) 12.25am
166 (Ang Mo Kio) 12.25am (12.40am on Saturdays)
South Bridge Rd/New Bridge Rd/Upp Cross St
33 (Kent Ridge) 12.25am
51 (Jurong East) 12.16am (12.23am on Saturdays)
61 (Eunos) 12.25am
61 (Bt Batok) 12.15am
63 (Rumah Tinggi) 12.50am
124 (Telok Blangah) 12.35am
143 (Jurong East) 11.55pm
147 (Clementi) 12.21am
166 (Clementi) 12midnight
186 12.07am
197 (Jurong East) 12.27am
190 11.35pm
851 (Yishun) 11.55pm
851 (Bt Merah) 12.30am
970 11.40pm
SMRT buses have a few buses running past midnight in town, but majority of SBST's last buses leave town after 12!
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Bro, I am saying from JB to Queen St leh.... You are talking about the opposite direction here.Originally posted by Oceane:It's a different thing...
170 plies between MY and SG so after midnight expect to see some buses still plying between these 2 countries. That's because Malaysian workers often makes use of these buses to go back to MY and since some of them gets off from work quite late these buses are still required to be in operation to fetch them back to MY. -
The last bus timings by Tamago is a good one. As for 700A, my experience is that at 11.30-11.40 will be the last bus departing at Esplanade.
One more thing to add for 975.
Deleted two or three bus stops at Upper Bt Timah road and make one stop at Bt Panjang road.... is called service "enhancement"?
DAF buses changed to majority Nissan UD is also called "enhancement"? -
Worst still , both svc frequency suck . Making 2 transfers means 40mins is spent just waiting for the bus.Originally posted by Zilchster:Not only about the money...waiting times for transferring is quite an important soon. Imagine making 2 transfers and end up waiting 20 mins. -
How could you compare SMRT train ridership with SBST's NEL ? I guess you shld need to count the number of stations that are under SMRT and the number of stations that SBST are operating.Originally posted by Oceane:Yep, I just read an article posted by tammy off the Trains forums, SMRT's train ridership hit 40 million for the first time ever. In a month. I think even SBST can't be on par with it, considering over 2 million bus riderships and less than 400k train riderships.
Well, SMRT has done magnificently well for the Trains part, maybe because they specialise in trains.
If SBST can chug up such a huge sum of money to buy new buses even with monthly riderships less than 13 times that of SMRT, why can't SMRT? I'm happy to welcome the doubling of bus fleets as it would make passenger satisfaction higher.
SMRT has done magnificently well for the train part ? Sorry bro, as a regular communter for both side of the train system, i dare say that SBST is doing alot better then what SMRT is doing.
Lastly, with regards to buying of new buses for SMRTB, sad to say.. That is not going to be happening at near future. -
And not forgetting late last buses that SBST is willing to run from Boon Lay, Marina Centre (111/162) and HarbourFront (80).
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Originally posted by phillipC:
is now called ASS 975
One more thing to add for 975.
Deleted two or three bus stops at Upper Bt Timah road and make one stop at Bt Panjang road.... is called service "[b]enhancement"?
DAF buses changed to majority Nissan UD is also called "enhancement"?
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For Bus department SBST is doing more better than SMRTOriginally posted by sBs_boy:How could you compare SMRT train ridership with SBST's NEL ? I guess you shld need to count the number of stations that are under SMRT and the number of stations that SBST are operating.
SMRT has done magnificently well for the train part ? Sorry bro, as a regular communter for both side of the train system, i dare say that SBST is doing alot better then what SMRT is doing.
Lastly, with regards to buying of new buses for SMRTB, sad to say.. That is not going to be happening at near future.
For Train side SMRT,The NEL is still new so they havent tried many kind of pattern yet.Whatever it is,The Govt still benefit from all.Rumours that Stingy SMRT will buy Nissan WAB low profile tyre & Mercedes WAB 12 meters buses quarter next year -
Do you really need me to go dig up my posts from the Trains forums and shoot back at you?Originally posted by off_service:How "well" can they get when I have to wait 8 mins for a North-South line train during off peak, at times even above 10 mins, irregular waiting times (ranging from 2 to 5 mins) in the morning peak and trains that's almost forever filled up (seating capacity are 100% filled for large percentage of trips)?
Do call me up if you need.
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Originally posted by Oceane:Do you really need me to go dig up my posts from the Trains forums and shoot back at you?
Do call me up if you need. 
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Originally posted by phillipC:
Yup. I agreed that the last bus timings are good ones but notice that the areas is at city areas. I guess the reason why SMRT closes shop early for its services like 190, 700A is due to several reasons which I infer.
The last bus timings by Tamago is a good one. As for 700A, my experience is that at 11.30-11.40 will be the last bus departing at Esplanade.
One more thing to add for 975.
Deleted two or three bus stops at Upper Bt Timah road and make one stop at Bt Panjang road.... is called service "[b]enhancement"?
DAF buses changed to majority Nissan UD is also called "enhancement"?
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1. Not many people out in the city after 2330 in the night from mon-thurs.
2. At fri, sat or eves of public holidays, there are nightriders which are operated by SMRT to bring commuters back from city to homes.
SMRT nightriders I think is the only "bus" thing that is better than SBST.How could you compare SMRT train ridership with SBST's NEL ? I guess you shld need to count the number of stations that are under SMRT and the number of stations that SBST are operating.
by sbs_boy
SMRT has done magnificently well for the train part ? Sorry bro, as a regular communter for both side of the train system, i dare say that SBST is doing alot better then what SMRT is doing.
Lastly, with regards to buying of new buses for SMRTB, sad to say.. That is not going to be happening at near future.
I am not sure what criterias u have set to grade the train services. SMRT's train freq is faster than SBST just that they need to improve the freq to meet up with the soaring demand.
With the new circle line and other lines coming up, public buses are going to be degraded to a state where they provide a link from our stop to stop homes to MRT stations where all of us take the MRT to another place and take a bus to our destinations. -
Correct,The early example has been set by SMRT buses liao.They predict that trains are the preferred choices over buses in 2-3 years time.So basically buses is just some back up.Originally posted by tanjun:by sbs_boy
I am not sure what criterias u have set to grade the train services. SMRT's train freq is faster than SBST just that they need to improve the freq to meet up with the soaring demand.
With the new circle line and other lines coming up, public buses are going to be degraded to a state where they provide a link from our stop to stop homes to MRT stations where all of us take the MRT to another place and take a bus to our destinations. -
It gets really irritating when people start questioning about the frequency of trains when they themselves know that they generally wait longer for a bus than a train. Then, next, like I've explained in the trains forums, the cause of you seeing a 8 or 9 minutes displayed as "Next train" on the plasma screen TV is due to firstly, passengers taking their own sweet time, therefore messing up the accuracy of the schedule. Next, the next train info works on a system that is highly sensitive and sometimes it may go wrong.Originally posted by ^tamago^:
I'm quite sure people here (not only here) are trying to shoot at SMRT every way they can simply because SBST bought new buses, "Oh they bought new buses, SMRT didn't, so SMRT sucks." "Oh SMRT said they were going to buy some in the future, That is not going to be happening at near future.*" What gibberish. Since SMRT has said it do you think they would be that stupid to go back on their word?
*Contributed by sBs_boy
I suggest that before people start shooting at the MRT system about train frequencies, they had better go ask themselves, how long did they wait for a next bus (on average) assuming they reached the bus stop and the bus just left, and how long they waited for the next train, based on the same scenario. If they can provide me with the correct details I bow my heads to them, because they know the facts; if they try to make up some stupid story that is highly unbelievable, just to try to poke me, I can only say they are pure losers. I've been to many bus stops, and I read the next bus average waiting times, so don't think people here can fool me that the average waiting time for a bus is longer than a train. Oh and, don't come here and say that they are 2 different things; I'm merely comparing which transport vehicle waits longer for a next one in general. Because I'm very frustrated that people can complain about a 7-minute wait when they actually waited 9 to 11 minutes on average for a bus. Worse still, people can spend so much time spotting buses, noting down cameos, yet they complain over a 7-minute disorder.
I'm OK if you shoot at SMRTB; they didn't do well. If you try to shoot at SMRT trains without even having basic knowledge of the train systems, how it works, why there are delays (both technical and natural errors), which I myself clearly know because I have been a train fan for years, I suggest that you bring it on to me. -
*Cools down*
Ahh so... anyone have any idea what buses is SMRT going to purchase? Hope it's not K230UB again... we already have 500 with SBST. -
omgs did i see wrongly?!Originally posted by tanjun:I am not sure what criterias u have set to grade the train services. SMRT's train freq is faster than SBST just that they need to improve the freq to meet up with the soaring demand. -
Trains actually rarely get delayed during off-peak hours. Bring a digital clock in and monitor the times. If not it cannot meet the 96% departure accuracy requirement. So there is really no excuse for 9-minute frequencies.
And no, I also don't buy the faulty timings thing. The people who saw 9 minutes most likely had to endure 9 minutes. -
Sometimes, due to the positioning of the train before the next station, the sensor actually gets a wrong reading and displays the wrong info. So if the next train is in 2 minutes, sometimes an error with the sensor can cause it to change it to 3 or 4 minutes.Originally posted by ^tamago^:Trains actually rarely get delayed during off-peak hours. Bring a digital clock in and monitor the times. If not it cannot meet the 96% departure accuracy requirement. So there is really no excuse for 9-minute frequencies.
And no, I also don't buy the faulty timings thing. The people who saw 9 minutes most likely had to endure 9 minutes.
Basically I've done timing recording, with my own watch. Mostly trains that display 8 or 9 minutes arrive within 7 minutes and 30 seconds, and I've said before, due to the system error of the sensor. The next train timings shown on the Plasma screen are highly inaccurate one. -
After the incident between ayam which ngjy showed him some pics of SLBP buses... I think people here DO like creating fantasized stories. Some.Originally posted by ^tamago^:And no, I also don't buy the faulty timings thing. The people who saw 9 minutes most likely had to endure 9 minutes.
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Just to share my experience over here,
I am staying in the North East Area but do not take it frequently since it has been opened. However, I have been taking it recently.
I have found out that the condition during peak hour is as bad as what SMRT trains will experience during the peak hours. However during off peak hours, it cannot be compared with SMRT which still experienced packed conditions.(North-South Line)
The longest frequency that I have spotted for NEL is 10mins -
Nope. I have to say SMRT train freq is better than SBST even though SBST one is more regulated. This I infer is probably due to the fact that SBST trains are computer controlled which can control its freq perfectly.Originally posted by Y_Shun:omgs did i see wrongly?!
Compare the freq with any of the bus service especially during peak hrs. SMRT train freq has to be higher than SBST since it serves more densely populated towns like Bedok, Tampines, Boon Lay and many more.
Look at how many people are taking the MRT nowadays.
According to the poll that I have done earlier, about 50% of the people will prefer to take the bus then MRT route as this way is faster. With more traffic lights and higher vehicle population, taking MRT is a good way to save time. Besides, it is not easy to get from one place to another via bus as you will need to know which bus services I will have to take to get there. MRT has fewer landmarks and hence easier for us to memorise stations closest to our destinations.
Each has its pros and cons.
I guess there is train bunching too. However, it will be less significient as compared to buses.
9 mins wait is actually ok just that it becomes frustrating to see very high passenger loads in the trains. Then, everyone will try to push and rush into the limited spaces available in the trains. Plus the problem of people blocking the entrance also adds to the frustration.
Hence, I seldom take trains.