SMRT Area residents being ignored?
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I don't see a need for such hostile reply. I am taking train everyday and I meant what I've said. You can try lunch time at any North bound train station of Woodlands extension. Every train would be a good 8 or 9 minutes.Originally posted by Oceane:Do you really need me to go dig up my posts from the Trains forums and shoot back at you?
Do call me up if you need.
You can take my words for it or ignore it. Also, I can tell you straight in the face I won't be bothered and am not interested to call you. -
soli i not interested in trains, and i know how bad the condition is.
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yo folks, chill
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You are right. The timing on SMRT's LCD displays showing 5 mins means 5 mins, 9 mins means 9 mins.Originally posted by ^tamago^:Trains actually rarely get delayed during off-peak hours. Bring a digital clock in and monitor the times. If not it cannot meet the 96% departure accuracy requirement. So there is really no excuse for 9-minute frequencies.
And no, I also don't buy the faulty timings thing. The people who saw 9 minutes most likely had to endure 9 minutes.
For some reasons there are people who refuses to admit that SMRT Trains have frequencies up to 8-9 mins off peak or even more during rare occasions. -
Yeah lah, Marbok Tan CB one. He should have been dropped when he lost to CST in 1984.Originally posted by Oceane:In fact, the merger wouldn't have happened if not SBST won the NEL contract. SMRT would still be monopolising the MRT system and TIBS and Singapore Bus Services would still stand as it is. Former white + red and yellow + orange liveries, anyone?
His recent comment about allocating funds for opposition ward upgrading is simply unacceptable. This guy is too error-prone to be in the Cabinet. -
Every train?Originally posted by off_service:I don't see a need for such hostile reply. I am taking train everyday and I meant what I've said. You can try lunch time at any North bound train station of Woodlands extension. Every train would be a good 8 or 9 minutes.
You can take my words for it or ignore it. Also, I can tell you straight in the face I won't be bothered and am not interested to call you.
Sorry. I take the train more than you do, during lunch time it's the same old 7 minutes. Unless SMRT decided to increase passenger waiting time, which it does not need to, it's still 7 minutes.
There are 19 (Not 18, read below for my apology) trains running on the NSL at any time during off-peak. 19. The entire trip of NSL (including turnover time at terminus) is 61 minutes x 2 + 2 minutes x 2 = 128 minutes. Divide that by 7 and you get a number that is MORE than 18. Close to 18.5. So if what you say is true, 8 minutes per train, 128 divided by 7 gives me 16. Are you trying to tell me 3 trains just disappeared from the NSL?
It's about the same concept as bus bunching. If the train ahead is earlier than schedule the next train definitely would show 8 or 9 minutes. Then it's the responsiblity of the train that is infront to slow down at a particular station to match with the 7 minute frequency. Likewise, if a train is late, you would see that the next train info shows 5 or 6 minutes? Then the reverse applies.
So, never never assume that you saw a train as 8 minutes = every train is 8 minutes. Mind you, I do train spotting and the number is fixed at 19 everyday during off-peak on the NSL. So your story isn't true after all, because 3 trains just don't disappear from the line for no reason. Because if it is true, can I also say that I waited 30 minutes for a bus = the frequency of every bus is 30 minutes? Next please. -
i guess those pple who "face" SMRT buses are already getting fed up and hence anything connecting with SMRT then they will just shoot
off peak hour no need a fast freq, this part i agree very much.
during the morning rush hour i think SMRT has tried its best. i once saw 3 trains arriving within one minute of each other. not gd meh? -
I don't know what is the problem with you and the minister. But Get Over It! It's getting to be an eyesore. If you have any issues with any minister, please take it directly to him. Please do not use as a springboard to launch any tiride of political criticism. Your comments are totally irrelevant with the topic.Originally posted by iveco:Yeah lah, Marbok Tan CB one. He should have been dropped when he lost to CST in 1984.
His recent comment about allocating funds for opposition ward upgrading is simply unacceptable. This guy is too error-prone to be in the Cabinet. -
Sorry, with regards to the information about 18 trains running, I apologise for my mistake. It's 19. Relevant parts have been edited.Originally posted by Oceane:Every train?
Sorry. I take the train more than you do, during lunch time it's the same old 7 minutes. Unless SMRT decided to increase passenger waiting time, which it does not need to, it's still 7 minutes.
There are 18 trains running on the NSL at any time during off-peak. 18. The entire trip of NSL (including turnover time at terminus) is 61 minutes x 2 + 2 minutes x 2 = 128 minutes. Divide that by 7 and you get a number slightly more than 18. So if what you say is true, 8 minutes per train, 128 divided by 7 gives me 16. Are you trying to tell me 2 trains just disappeared from the NSL?
It's about the same concept as bus bunching. If the train ahead is earlier than schedule the next train definitely would show 8 or 9 minutes. Then it's the responsiblity of the train that is infront to slow down at a particular station to match with the 7 minute frequency. Likewise, if a train is late, you would see that the next train info shows 5 or 6 minutes? Then the reverse applies.
So, never never assume that you saw a train as 8 minutes = every train is 8 minutes. Mind you, I do train spotting and the number is fixed at 18 everyday during off-peak on the NSL. So your story isn't true after all, because 2 trains just don't disappear from the line for no reason. Because if it is true, can I also say that I waited 30 minutes for a bus = the frequency of every bus is 30 minutes? Next please.Originally posted by Oceane:
TRNs for Weekday Off-peaks on NSL
Starting from the smallest TRN...
051
086
064
087
072
066
089
082
090
065
053
083
056
054
084
058
061
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Well... like I said, it's never hard to please Singaporeans. Even if you lower the waiting time by 1 or 2 minutes, after a while they will request for even lower frequencies. This is what I call (SGF can't type Chinese) DE CHUN JIN CHI.Originally posted by hiphop2009:i guess those pple who "face" SMRT buses are already getting fed up and hence anything connecting with SMRT then they will just shoot
off peak hour no need a fast freq, this part i agree very much.
during the morning rush hour i think SMRT has tried its best. i once saw 3 trains arriving within one minute of each other. not gd meh?
I guess most people who take trains here actually want empty trains so that they can get a seat. Can... just that, pay more fares for more trains, more electricity and more maintainence. If they are willing to do that I'm sure SMRT would be more than happy to introduce more trains into service. -
OK. I think we're moving a bit off-topic. Shall we shift our focus from Trains to Buses now that I've summed up what I have to say?
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There's always a difference in between theory and reality. Especially with school holidays now in place, you can never know.Originally posted by Oceane:Every train?
Sorry. I take the train more than you do, during lunch time it's the same old 7 minutes. Unless SMRT decided to increase passenger waiting time, which it does not need to, it's still 7 minutes.
There are 19 (Not 18, read below for my apology) trains running on the NSL at any time during off-peak. 19. The entire trip of NSL (including turnover time at terminus) is 61 minutes x 2 + 2 minutes x 2 = 128 minutes. Divide that by 7 and you get a number that is MORE than 18. Close to 18.5. So if what you say is true, 8 minutes per train, 128 divided by 7 gives me 16. Are you trying to tell me 3 trains just disappeared from the NSL?
It's about the same concept as bus bunching. If the train ahead is earlier than schedule the next train definitely would show 8 or 9 minutes. Then it's the responsiblity of the train that is infront to slow down at a particular station to match with the 7 minute frequency. Likewise, if a train is late, you would see that the next train info shows 5 or 6 minutes? Then the reverse applies.
So, never never assume that you saw a train as 8 minutes = every train is 8 minutes. Mind you, I do train spotting and the number is fixed at 19 everyday during off-peak on the NSL. So your story isn't true after all, because 3 trains just don't disappear from the line for no reason. Because if it is true, can I also say that I waited 30 minutes for a bus = the frequency of every bus is 30 minutes? Next please.
Train or bus companies have the authority to tweak their frequencies to optimize resources (or which they claim). Unless you are telling me you ARE the dispatcher or you COUNT the number of trains in services daily, don't assume.
I'm just relating what I experienced during my daily commute. Yes, I won't deny that SMRT Trains have reasonably good frequencies during peak, but I also won't deny there are horrendous frequencies during off peaks.
Oh yes, you can be taking more trains than me, if you are above 25 or 30 years old. -
I think we are paying enough for a better service. Train frequencies are one thing, comfort is another.Originally posted by Oceane:Well... like I said, it's never hard to please Singaporeans. Even if you lower the waiting time by 1 or 2 minutes, after a while they will request for even lower frequencies. This is what I call (SGF can't type Chinese) DE CHUN JIN CHI.
I guess most people who take trains here actually want empty trains so that they can get a seat. Can... just that, pay more fares for more trains, more electricity and more maintainence. If they are willing to do that I'm sure SMRT would be more than happy to introduce more trains into service. -
Originally posted by off_service:
So you are not ready to give this up, are you?
There's always a difference in between theory and reality. Especially with school holidays now in place, you can never know.
Train or bus companies have the authority to tweak their frequencies to optimize resources (or which they claim). Unless you are telling me you [b]ARE the dispatcher or you COUNT the number of trains in services daily, don't assume.
I'm just relating what I experienced during my daily commute. Yes, I won't deny that SMRT Trains have reasonably good frequencies during peak, but I also won't deny there are horrendous frequencies during off peaks.
Oh yes, you can be taking more trains than me, if you are above 25 or 30 years old.[/b]
Even when I provide the facts in front of you, you just come by and claim that it isn't true. "You can never know."
What can I not know? I've been doing train spotting for months already, every day I meet with the same number of trains. I don't assume. I do research and conduct my daily checks.
Look. If trains break down or become faulty, how many spare trains are there in the depots? Surely there will be 1 in working condition to replace the faulty train, and passenger service resumes. SMRT won't be so stupid to just keep 1 train in secret and think that nobody knows; the waiting time frequencies will become very obvious.
Let me just say, I've already provided facts in front of you, but you refuse to accept it. Well, you can always ask Manager433 who works in the Trains department, ask him how many trains operate during off-peak on the NSL.
Let this case close. Since you don't want to accept facts then just let it be.
Oh and, I'm younger than you. But who is talking more sense here? When someone offers you facts you just happily shuffle it away saying that it isn't "reality" and that "You can never know."
Yes SMRT has the authority to take trains away from service; they do so during peak hour.
Since they already promised 7-minute frequencies, they need to do the maths to supplement the correct number of trains. Unless you're telling me they fail maths. -
Can we just let this thing come to a close? I've provided reasonably enough details and now it's now up to people here to accept the facts and not lies or rumours.
Remember, NI PIAN DE LIAO BIE REN, DAN SHI NI PIAN BU LIAO NI ZI JI! -
You are the first person who claims to know everything. I hand it to you.Originally posted by Oceane:What can I not know? I've been doing train spotting for months already, every day I meet with the same number of trains. I don't assume. I do research and conduct my daily checks.
Yes SMRT has the authority to take trains away from service; they do so during peak hour. Since they already promised 7-minute frequencies, they need to do the maths to supplement the correct number of trains. Unless you're telling me they fail maths.
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Juz bring it to an end. I find NO POINT for this discussion going on. It doesn't bring in constructive arguments but a prolonged and nonsensical disputes.