Bus whose body is diagonally oriented when going straight ?!
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AMDEP?Originally posted by Oceane:0478G.
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???Originally posted by chickenlittle2:AMDEP?
The rear destos put 55 of course AMDEP la. 55 got other depot control meh? -
Thank you for the manufacturer list for my reference. I'm sure their info would be useful for greater understanding on the technical-micro aspects of vehicle chassis technology.
Regards your comments on para. 2 & 3 below of your post, you're suggesting that i'm technically ignorant & just like to play with words as if like wanting to win some debating competition ??
About the lack of technical knowledge, FYI i graduated in mechanical engineering & have worked for ~ 11 years in a private professional engineering consultancy practice before venturing into the offshore business arena, among my various interest areas which include Linux computing etc. Fact is i'm more a 'hard' than a 'soft' subject person i.e. more technical than artistic by nature. Of course when dealing with the nuts & bolts aspects of buses, i'll tend to be more ignorant compared to someone like yourself who deals with it everyday & hence you can understand & describe better the technically finer points.
Also, to be very frank, such issue like pride do NOT even come into my mind whenever i post in any forum. When i post, i just want to communicate my points as effectively across as i can. If i sense (from the replies / comments i get under this topic e.g.) that the readers still cannot understand, overlook or simply ignore the essential messages i want to get across, that's when i'll try to 'add more words' but NOT tantamount to 'wriggling with words' to try to get people to understand the overall picture i want to show. Whether they agree / disagree with my picture is entirely up to them. I respect each individual's viewpoint whether or not i agree with them as long as they supply relevant supporting arguments instead of just seemingly evading my questions & just presenting their comments, which therefore cannot satisfy my curiousity which is why i end up putting in more words to try to achieve the above.
Therefore, regarding the question in my previous post, can you give just a simple answer (MCQ style) no matter how irrelevant you consider it to be in the context of this topic ??
Q: The 3-axle Olympians here have 4-wheel steering (mid axle wheels only steerable with reduced range compared to front axle wheels) & only the rear most axle is driven ?
Answer : 1) Yes 2) No 3) Not sure 4) Secret, so cannot tell
Just 1 more question : The Dennis Tridents here only have front axle 2-wheel steering, with only the mid axle driven & the rear most axle just a trailing axle ??
Answer : 1) Yes 2) No 3) Not sure 4) Secret, so cannot tell
Your frank responces most appreciated !! Thanks.Originally posted by MS:haha... OKOK.
I don't like to be hailed as whatever expert or anything. In this line of engineering, technology is mutating everyday. What we know today may be obselete quickly. So I welcome everyone to bring up their views in the mode of discussion and everyone be open for discussion. In this way, everyone benefits from the exchange of knowledge. On top of that, I don't like the idea of because of who I am, my explanation is final. I also started off knowing nothing of automotive engineering many years ago. My learning path was plagued with thorns before I achieved what I have today. And even so, the path before me to seek for a better tomorrow is no easier .
Please allow me to recommend that you need to understand that you've portrayed an explicit lack of technical knowledge. And by commenting on the issues you're ignorant of, you've encouraged a perception of error for the rest to absorb.
Also, everyone makes mistakes. So do I. But it is about how we learn from our mistakes and not to wriggle with the words to sustain the pride which is the main contributing factor towards your ignorance.
If you're interested to know more about vehicle chassis technology, you may want to refer to the following manufacturers for help. These are currently some of the most popular and technologically leading brands in this aspect. They have contributed greatly towards the development of the global automotive engineering sector form Ferraris to Hinos.
- Lemforder
You can ask about undercarriages linkages, steering systems for both passenger cars and commercial vehicles.
- ZF Parts
You can learn about steering systems for passenger cars.
- SACHS
The technological leading suspensions and drivetrain specialists. -
It is true that the Leyland Olympians in SLWS have 2 steering axles with the front as a trailing steerable axle.
However I have not maintained the Dennis before so I cannot comment. I will need to go back to office to search the offical TecDoc for clues. eg. with or without tie rod end supplied as parts to determine whether it is a steerable axle or not.
You need to differenciate between the 3 types of axles:
Steering - Axles which incorporates the presence of tie rod assemblies. Could also be driven or non-driven (trailing)
Driven - axles with drive but no tie rod assemblies therefore unable to be steered. Driven axles still have a propeller shaft input into the differential axle.
Trailing - without tie-rod assemblies and without drive. Does not have propeller shaft input. Cannot even be considered as axle. At most a driven wheel assembly generally with the wheels and lower/upper army assembly leverage and suspensions system, brakes systems, wheel bearings.
I do not determine the bus is a steerable axle or driven axle etc by merely looking as a commuter on the ground. I need to go under the chassis and check for the presence of propeller shaft drive into the axle, axle design and presence of tie rods before I can make conclusions. If not, I will need to obtain the partnumber of the axle and check with TecDoc again. TecDoc is the internationally recognised automotive parts database which have been officially endorsed by manufacturers.
Dear all, you all may want to check up the following key words which can help to improve your knowledge towards automotive chassis technology.
- Tie Rod
- Propellor Shaft
- King Pin
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U should know what I mean, I dun dare to write outOriginally posted by Oceane:???
The rear destos put 55 of course AMDEP la. 55 got other depot control meh? 
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yar yar yar...slbp buses da best lar rite huh?Originally posted by chickenlittle2:U should know what I mean, I dun dare to write out -
Nono.. Like u say ma, AMDEP the best!Originally posted by SBS8043A:yar yar yar...slbp buses da best lar rite huh? The best thing AMDEP have are their Mercz!! -
Obviously looking at the worst buses of amdep which are actually on the same standard as a normal slbp bus....Originally posted by chickenlittle2:Nono.. Like u say ma, AMDEP the best! The best thing AMDEP have are their Mercz!!
No wonder nearly the whole forums despise you, you just doesn't seem to explore more other than your west. I still wonder whether you know your own slbp well enough.
I can tell you currently slbp and amdep have their own problems, of which amdep's problem would need more money and labour to solve, as it is mainly infrastructural problems. I can't believe slbp, which has better facilities than all the other depots, to maintain buses until drivers complain. No wonder it is the most cost-efficient.
amdep's maintenance bay is big, however, it is too small for the current maintenance needs, the maintenance area is always full, the running repair area (if you don't know what is this, go find yourself) is at least 80% full. Thats why SBST recently invited contractors to tender for the extension of the maintenance bay.
Drivers driving amdep LO3xes have a better time than drivers driving slbp LO3xes. -
Pls dun use the whole forum as an example la. You are you they are they. For me, I would defintely say both are the same. SLBP just need extra time to refurbish their bus. Dun rmb SLBP got short of SP buses but AMDEP got no problem with it. Only a few buses can do refurbish each time so that there would still be SP buses in the depot as standby.Originally posted by Scania:Obviously looking at the worst buses of amdep which are actually on the same standard as a normal slbp bus....
No wonder nearly the whole forums despise you, you just doesn't seem to explore more other than your west. I still wonder whether you know your own slbp well enough.
I can tell you currently slbp and amdep have their own problems, of which amdep's problem would need more money and labour to solve, as it is mainly infrastructural problems. I can't believe slbp, which has better facilities than all the other depots, to maintain buses until drivers complain. No wonder it is the most cost-efficient.
amdep's maintenance bay is big, however, it is too small for the current maintenance needs, the maintenance area is always full, the running repair area (if you don't know what is this, go find yourself) is at least 80% full. Thats why SBST recently invited contractors to tender for the extension of the maintenance bay.
Drivers driving amdep LO3xes have a better time than drivers driving slbp LO3xes.
AMDEP always got the suspension problem and their buses are always still on the road. At least SLBP drivers would stop their bus and ask for help if there are such problem.
SLWS is good enough. AMDEP need to upgrade because their depot is old wat. More than 11 years after the fire god visited them.
Nevertheless, I dun see a reason why SLBP is the first but u all complain so many things.
That was the greatest joke when u say AMDEP LO3x are better than SLBP one. I think u nv take SLBP LO3x?
Look out for these, Solid engine? Great acceleration? Refurbished aircon ducts which both BR and SL doing it now. -
Do you know what is the main concern for LO3xes drivers? Its not power.Originally posted by chickenlittle2:Pls dun use the whole forum as an example la. You are you they are they. For me, I would defintely say both are the same. SLBP just need extra time to refurbish their bus. Dun rmb SLBP got short of SP buses but AMDEP got no problem with it. Only a few buses can do refurbish each time so that there would still be SP buses in the depot as standby.
AMDEP always got the suspension problem and their buses are always still on the road. At least SLBP drivers would stop their bus and ask for help if there are such problem.
SLWS is good enough. AMDEP need to upgrade because their depot is old wat. More than 11 years after the fire god visited them.
Nevertheless, I dun see a reason why SLBP is the first but u all complain so many things.
That was the greatest joke when u say AMDEP LO3x are better than SLBP one. I think u nv take SLBP LO3x?
Look out for these, Solid engine? Great acceleration? Refurbished aircon ducts which both BR and SL doing it now.
Its the steering, the steering is so damn heavy, amdep modified the steering such that it has become lighter, go ask any driver who have driven those 4 which went over to slbp and you will know what I'm saying.
Get your facts right, brbp don't do refurbishment, brbp don't have any facilities of sorts for that, amdep does it.
Contary to what you believe, amdep does not have a siginificant amount of Mercs per service, and is in need of replacement buses, which are gradually being introduced. You want the depots with a lot of SP, find bndep and hgdep.
What makes you think slbp drivers will stop and amdep drivers will not, nonsense, its driver's own discretion. Like the 181 Merc someone mention, also faces the same problem. -
Never ending it seem.Speak like China President!
As for me no depot is 100% perfect,all got flaws internal and external.Matter of how flaw is it only.I am proud to say that SMRT AMDEP is among the worst.Believe it or not i've sent buses to depot 5x in 1 weeks.AMDEP & HGDEP has got many talented technician due to past experiences as ex-TIBS or any other depot tech.Some even had their stint with either Voith,ZF or Cumnmins company. -
U very sure only AMDEP had done the modified? I just about to say that nowadays some BC comments that LO3x on SLBP are much easier to turn.Originally posted by Scania:Do you know what is the main concern for LO3xes drivers? Its not power.
Its the steering, the steering is so damn heavy, amdep modified the steering such that it has become lighter, go ask any driver who have driven those 4 which went over to slbp and you will know what I'm saying.
Get your facts right, brbp don't do refurbishment, brbp don't have any facilities of sorts for that, amdep does it.
Contary to what you believe, amdep does not have a siginificant amount of Mercs per service, and is in need of replacement buses, which are gradually being introduced. You want the depots with a lot of SP, find bndep and hgdep.
What makes you think slbp drivers will stop and amdep drivers will not, nonsense, its driver's own discretion. Like the 181 Merc someone mention, also faces the same problem.
Ok, I should indicate AMDEP cos BRBP equal AMDEP. It is the similar case as the rim guards on BRBP & AMDEP mercz that I mentioned before about their maintainance. Btw, SLBP seems to have new rims? Flat one?
Just look at how many SP mercz does both BRBP & AMDEP have? SLBP is actually quite small that they can store much SP buses but to give it away.
Svc 181? which rego.. I saw SBS 3854K having this problem but the BC stop the bus halfway and ask for mechanic help. AMDEP got so many pic regarding the bus having lots of such problem. AMDEP seems to care about their cosmetic look of their bus than the internal parts. -
You go and ask the 174 drivers lor, LO3x hard to drive. Some old ones even back pain, this was what the driver told me.Originally posted by chickenlittle2:U very sure only AMDEP had done the modified? I just about to say that nowadays some BC comments that LO3x on SLBP are much easier to turn.
Ok, I should indicate AMDEP cos BRBP equal AMDEP. It is the similar case as the rim guards on BRBP & AMDEP mercz that I mentioned before about their maintainance. Btw, SLBP seems to have new rims? Flat one?
Just look at how many SP mercz does both BRBP & AMDEP have? SLBP is actually quite small that they can store much SP buses but to give it away.
Svc 181? which rego.. I saw SBS 3854K having this problem but the BC stop the bus halfway and ask for mechanic help. AMDEP got so many pic regarding the bus having lots of such problem. AMDEP seems to care about their cosmetic look of their bus than the internal parts.
143 driver which drove 9084A also said to another bus fan that the bus was much easier to drive than the normal slbp LO3x.
SLBP rims just mixed with VO2x, look properly.
SP Merc PER AC/PAC SERVICE. Understood? Like GNP PER CAPITA.
Internal parts of buses, you hear amdep Merc and hear slbp Merc will know, also stand beside a amdep Merc and stand beside a slbp Merc, you will know the difference. Sit inside most slbp buses and find only what a few of amdep buses have, heat coming out of engine.
amdep has an infrastructural restriction for a maintenance bay serving nearly 800 buses, while slbp is simply too calculative. If the Eastern depots (amdep, hgdep and bndep) can afford to spend money on maintenance, why can't slbp.
As I said, whether a driver reports to the depot of any fault is the driver's discretion, nothing to do with depot as SBST has its own basic rules and recommendations to the drivers. -
To be frank, I asked some BC that they dun even know that they are driving a bus from another ex-depot. If it SP, they just say SP lor. So I dunno whether some pple here said the truth.Originally posted by Scania:You go and ask the 174 drivers lor, LO3x hard to drive. Some old ones even back pain, this was what the driver told me.
143 driver which drove 9084A also said to another bus fan that the bus was much easier to drive than the normal slbp LO3x.
SLBP rims just mixed with VO2x, look properly.
SP Merc PER AC/PAC SERVICE. Understood? Like GNP PER CAPITA.
Internal parts of buses, you hear amdep Merc and hear slbp Merc will know, also stand beside a amdep Merc and stand beside a slbp Merc, you will know the difference. Sit inside most slbp buses and find only what a few of amdep buses have, heat coming out of engine.
amdep has an infrastructural restriction for a maintenance bay serving nearly 800 buses, while slbp is simply too calculative. If the Eastern depots (amdep, hgdep and bndep) can afford to spend money on maintenance, why can't slbp.
As I said, whether a driver reports to the depot of any fault is the driver's discretion, nothing to do with depot as SBST has its own basic rules and recommendations to the drivers.
My friend's father who was a SLBP driver drove SBS 9095T (Afternoon shift) this week told me before that his fav bus to drive is mercz but for steering wheel wise would be VO2x. I asked him before regarding the LO3x steering wheel before, he say the steering wheel is tough but he says it is just whether u r used to it. He nv experienced any back paint but just few that it need a little more strength to turn but that would make him stay awake!
Btw, look at how he drive and turn the steering wheel. Give SLBP some more time, some steering wheels are fixed but not all yet. SLBP is now fixing & tuning the engine. AMDEP have not done that.
SLBP only got SP mercz for their SD replacement. Do rmb some svc only can take in SD svc. Like I say, recently there are more SP buses for SLBP so refurbish would be faster lor.
I had tested most of rear seats on SLBP buses . Besides the right side of the bus which heat radiates a lot there (Which is mercz problem long ago), there are no feeling of heat and the sides and center. Not to say that, about 1 mthago I board SBS 109Y. Wa.. Hot seats at the reat(Center).
I think your maintanance for AMDEP means more like refurbish for me. They like to refurbish buses but not solving the internal problem like suspension problem.
SLBP priorities maintainance steps. They are engine condition, suspension problem(Most important), Air Con, interior cleanliness of the bus. Others would be done later or even let other depot do the job.
You are right, it is not the depot problem but it is the manager problem that should see it or remind the driver to report if the bus got any problem. You see BNL drivers would report any fault or even when the aircon is not working and remove the bus from service immediately. -
Please don't shoot blanks.Originally posted by chickenlittle2:SLBP is now fixing & tuning the engine. AMDEP have not done that. -
I think not shoot blanks, but the gun is pointing at him.Originally posted by ^tamago^:Please don't shoot blanks. -
LOL,water gun?Originally posted by Scania:I think not shoot blanks, but the gun is pointing at him. -
dun bother 2 much...it seem 2 hav sum prejudice against east district leader...tis is called "when east meets west"......east n west shd nvr meet or witness da clash...
most of it remarks sides slbp...seldom c it support 4 da right things...vv biased indeed...
hw we noe it is a pro-slbp when he insist it isnt? c his siggy...only slbp buses are itz favs...tis 1 i dun really care...wad i m upset abt is tt when ppl comment abt slbp...it wld stand up 4 slbp...n argue all da way...y? most of us noe slbp isnt da best...but it insist it is beta den amdep...amdep may b older den slbp...however their buses r mainly beta performing den slbp buses...
it can b seen tt amdep is more willing 2 fork out money 4 maintenance n refurbishing da buses...thumbs up 4 tt...slbp as a newer depot wif newer facilities arent doing itz best...save cost recycle desto make ugly rego plate etc...amdep saved 359s n 410b fr slbp n improved dem...
i m surprised amdep cld actually lighten lo3x steering...n bcs really lyke dem...sad thing da 5 lo3x went 2 slbp + dose which went earlier bcame worse under slbp...
comparing east district leader n west district leader...honestly amdep is better...all of us can feel 4 ourselves...dere's nth 2 deny...
grow up ayam n learn 2 c da world n nt juz cooping up in ur slbp...learn n improve n move on wif it...no nit 2 b so stubborn...unless u r really a ayam...Originally posted by Scania:I think not shoot blanks, but the gun is pointing at him. -
Aiyo ah, AMDEP bus cannot breakdown is it? AMDEP bus breakdown you lao kui har?Originally posted by chickenlittle2:U should know what I mean, I dun dare to write out
These bus like 15-16 years liao you mean in their 15 to 16 years of service they cannot breakdown? Please use your brain and think lah.
Like I said, bus is sure to breakdown one. No matter which depot is it. Machines do have to breakdown sometimes when they have faulty sections of it so that repairs can be done. Just look at the Breakdown thread; on average 1 bus breakdown everyday. AMDEP breakdown will lose face meh? More like you lose face when SLBP bus breakdown...
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I don't really want to join in this argument but there is something I wish to point out:
Generally, IMO, SLBP is better off maintaining their LO3x. AMDEP is outperforming in maintaining O405. SLBP O405s (In particular, Sv 52 buses) have irritating squeaky doors which means it lacks oiling. In contrast, AMDEP O405s have smooth doors that don't squeak. This is just talking from my experience of taking 52 everyday. -
No wonder some female drivers say that driving a LO3X (BRBP) is not tiring.Originally posted by Scania:Its the steering, the steering is so damn heavy, amdep modified the steering such that it has become lighter, go ask any driver who have driven those 4 which went over to slbp and you will know what I'm saying.
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Hello.. U r the one who prejuice the West District! Evidence are all at signature!Originally posted by SBS8043A:dun bother 2 much...it seem 2 hav sum prejudice against east district leader...tis is called "when east meets west"......east n west shd nvr meet or witness da clash...
most of it remarks sides slbp...seldom c it support 4 da right things...vv biased indeed...
hw we noe it is a pro-slbp when he insist it isnt? c his siggy...only slbp buses are itz favs...tis 1 i dun really care...wad i m upset abt is tt when ppl comment abt slbp...it wld stand up 4 slbp...n argue all da way...y? most of us noe slbp isnt da best...but it insist it is beta den amdep...amdep may b older den slbp...however their buses r mainly beta performing den slbp buses...
it can b seen tt amdep is more willing 2 fork out money 4 maintenance n refurbishing da buses...thumbs up 4 tt...slbp as a newer depot wif newer facilities arent doing itz best...save cost recycle desto make ugly rego plate etc...amdep saved 359s n 410b fr slbp n improved dem...
i m surprised amdep cld actually lighten lo3x steering...n bcs really lyke dem...sad thing da 5 lo3x went 2 slbp + dose which went earlier bcame worse under slbp...
comparing east district leader n west district leader...honestly amdep is better...all of us can feel 4 ourselves...dere's nth 2 deny...
grow up ayam n learn 2 c da world n nt juz cooping up in ur slbp...learn n improve n move on wif it...no nit 2 b so stubborn...unless u r really a ayam...
Still dare to say me. Who is bias I think I dun want to say. When there comes to topic regarding AMDEP & SLBP you are always here writing some great comments .
Like I say the refurbish and maintainance job are now carrying on SLBP mercz. SLBP had refurbish quite a no of new aircon ducts for their LO3x. Seats cover are replaced. Steering wheels wise, some buses had been improved!
Nowadays the maintainance are quite standard, this depot do wat another would also do it the same.
East district leader better than West district? Did you know one of ur fav depot is under West District ?
I not cooping up in SLBP but it seems like whatever your negative comments concern me & SLBP. You continue to say, we continue to have this then until non stop. -
Not cannot breakdown. Just asking why they are always having the same problem. Even pple have to post it online.Originally posted by Oceane:Aiyo ah, AMDEP bus cannot breakdown is it? AMDEP bus breakdown you lao kui har?
These bus like 15-16 years liao you mean in their 15 to 16 years of service they cannot breakdown? Please use your brain and think lah.
Like I said, bus is sure to breakdown one. No matter which depot is it. Machines do have to breakdown sometimes when they have faulty sections of it so that repairs can be done. Just look at the Breakdown thread; on average 1 bus breakdown everyday. AMDEP breakdown will lose face meh? More like you lose face when SLBP bus breakdown...
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Lol... people post is they kaypoh mah...Originally posted by chickenlittle2:Not cannot breakdown. Just asking why they are always having the same problem. Even pple have to post it online.
Suspension problem sure got one. Like for O405s when they get older their bellow plate tends to corrode more. Then those kaypoh people will go snap here snap there. Why worry? As long as BC tell OCC then they will send down people to fix it lah... -
Cos of the simple logic that if a bus serves more populated areas, it will get seen more, not surpising for Central, North Eastern and Eastern buses to be "featured" in STOMP more often than Western buses cos almost 2/3s population live East of the central water catchment area, and difference is that the 3 depots (amdep, hgdep and bndep) in the East serves many similar regions, and they only have a few services to the west.Originally posted by chickenlittle2:Not cannot breakdown. Just asking why they are always having the same problem. Even pple have to post it online.
You say people prejudiced against slbp, I must tell you, its not prejudice, but by observation, if slbp can do its job well, why should I or anyone else have any prejudice against it?