Land Transport Review
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I really hope to see a new bus foreign bus company taking over smrt bus services. SMRT has already proven to us how incompetent and inept their attitudes towards buses. The word mediocre to describe their services is an understatement.
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I hope theres more direct buses so that we don't have to tour here and there and waste time when it is already wasted on traffic lights.
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Ya I find some bus services making one whole big round around an area wasting time... like to route here and there.Originally posted by Y_Shun:I hope theres more direct buses so that we don't have to tour here and there and waste time when it is already wasted on traffic lights.
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You mean 811?Originally posted by Oceane:Ya I find some bus services making one whole big round around an area wasting time... like to route here and there. 
Stupid bus took me on a tour around Yishun when I took the wrong direction (I simply assumed it was a loop service and that even if I took it from the wrong direction...it wouldn't kill) and assumed wrongly 2 times that the bus will take me into the interchange.
Wasted 40 minutes of my life. -
Yishun one is up to the Govt Boards when they want to start the "Rejuvenating Communities in Middle-Age Estate" Project...Originally posted by Oceane:Actually I'm quite surprised Yishun wasn't mentioned as one of the upcoming air-con interchanges. What happened? Plan failed?
Reference:
1. Rejuvenating Communities in Middle-Age Estate - Yishun
2. Revitalisation of Town Centre
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Ya... 811 is one of them. Turn right out of INT then going past the industrial estate, crosses AVE 2 and heads to Chong Pang. After which, it turns left opposite Yishun MRT Station (instead of right) into AVE 2 and turns right, past the industrial estate, by which turning out after the CC and finally reaches the terminal.Originally posted by n4l:You mean 811?
Stupid bus took me on a tour around Yishun when I took the wrong direction (I simply assumed it was a loop service and that even if I took it from the wrong direction...it wouldn't kill) and assumed wrongly 2 times that the bus will take me into the interchange.
Wasted 40 minutes of my life.
Waste of time.
811E still ok.
Actually right, if you want to take feeder/intratown into some parts of Yishun very easy. Yishun is labelled into 3 sections, Central, East and South.
800 - East crossover to Central (N2 N7)
804 - East (N2 & N3)
806 - Central (N4)
811 - East (N1, N2, N3 and industrial estate)
811E - South (N8 & some parts of N6)
812 - Central (N6)
812E - East (N1 & N7)
With this in mind, you won't take the wrong service.
Actually this reminds me of Express 520 which started from Yishun last time. Instead of following other trunk services that are heading towards City by using AVE 2 and Lentor AVE, Express 520 loops around Chong Pang and then turns right at Khatib MRT Station, which was, quite redundant because it was a waste of time.
Speaking of 800, it's also quite a loopabout service. Turning into Yishun CC outside INT it goes around N2 and then crosses AVE 2 into Chong Pang area and goes around N7. But then it passes by Chong Pang area again and back into N2, before turning out of the CC into the interchange. That's why many people living around the Chong Pang area chose to take 812 to the interchange because it was very direct. Yishun Ring Road AVE 2, excluding waiting time it only takes 5 minutes to get to the interchange. Whereas for 800, it takes around 15 - 17 minutes. I've seen many times 800 came first then followed by 812, 812 reached the terminal first.
So, if you are going to the main areas of Yishun, here's my advice:
South: 811 (Only takes 5 minutes to get to opp. NTUC Block 849)
East: 812 (7 mintues to get to opp. Chong Pang CC and 10 minutes to N7 area compared with 20 - 25 minutes to N7 for 800.)
Central: 812 for N6 area after SAFRA, 806 for those in N4 and a bit of N3 area. -
Thanks Oceane.
But I don't intend to visit Yishun often. Other than transit for buses to Woodlands or just the area around the MRT Station.
If its a friend's house, I trust him to give me the EASIEST direction
...hahaha.
The time which I took 811 was because I had to go to the industrial estate... -
ya but they should put the Yishun int in the newspapers mah?Originally posted by brotherchen1982:Yishun one is up to the Govt Boards when they want to start the "Rejuvenating Communities in Middle-Age Estate" Project...
Reference:
1. Rejuvenating Communities in Middle-Age Estate - Yishun
2. Revitalisation of Town Centre see pg 2
later really like what brotherchen1982 says that PLAN failed -
That means... you took 811E instead?Originally posted by n4l:Thanks Oceane.
But I don't intend to visit Yishun often. Other than transit for buses to Woodlands or just the area around the MRT Station.
If its a friend's house, I trust him to give me the EASIEST direction...hahaha.
The time which I took 811 was because I had to go to the industrial estate...
811E not too bad la... it's route assures that the bus returns to the interchange within 23 - 25 minutes. -
Yeah, if like this I think I'm gonna lose faith in the LTA...Originally posted by chocolates-xed:ya but they should put the Yishun int in the newspapers mah?
later really like what brotherchen1982 says that PLAN failed
Yishun is so densely populated but yet they didn't want to upgrade a 20-year old interchange.
Which brings me to another point: Why only interchanges that are under SBST control gets upgraded? -
Originally posted by SBS9889U:Future Joo Koon Int for 252 and Marina South to replace Marina Ctr Ter + Serve Integrated resort? Originally posted by brotherchen1982:Marina South - New CBD + IR + New Ferry Ctr
Originally posted by 201911:
and possibly Shenton Way as well
Ok, some news here since Raymond Lim has already reavealed it beofre it is ready.
The new Transport Hub at Marina South is to be created to serve the new International Cruise Terminal, as well as the new Downtown.
In addition, it will also replace another 3 terminal that are currently in or near CBD. This is still under the development phase (design Stage), ie, the plans are there, but it is still being firmed up by URA / LTA in consultation with SMRT Buses and SBSTransit -
No...I took the normal 811. It said loop at Sembawang Rd...so I thought, okay, Sembawang Rd quite near...I assumed it will just go right into the interchange...who knowsOriginally posted by Oceane:That means... you took 811E instead?
811E not too bad la... it's route assures that the bus returns to the interchange within 23 - 25 minutes.. -
Originally posted by Oceane:
Erm, technically u cant classify the 811 (former 805) as 811E. The E only stands for Terminating at Interchange and only every 1 out of 2 buses towards that side of the route has the E sign.
Actually right, if you want to take feeder/intratown into some parts of Yishun very easy. Yishun is labelled into 3 sections, Central, East and South.
800 - East crossover to Central (N2 N7)
804 - East (N2 & N3)
806 - Central (N4)
811 - East (N1, N2, N3 and industrial estate)
811E - South (N8 & some parts of N6)
812 - Central (N6)
812E - East (N1 & N7) -
Then where did you board?Originally posted by n4l:No...I took the normal 811. It said loop at Sembawang Rd...so I thought, okay, Sembawang Rd quite near...I assumed it will just go right into the interchange...who knows. -
Well I know but that route means 811E's route because it terminates at the interchange. Because there's no definite indication of the difference between the 2 sections of 811's route. Cannot say Section A Section B mah.Originally posted by XiaoTaro:Erm, technically u cant classify the 811 (former 805) as 811E. The E only stands for Terminating at Interchange and only every 1 out of 2 buses towards that side of the route has the E sign.
811's frequencly quite irregular. For the southern route 2 buses will appear within 2-3 minutes of each other; 1 with 811 details another with 811E terminating at Yishun INT. However the next 811 bus will be 15 minutes.
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Opposite some factory.Originally posted by Oceane:Then where did you board?
When I went there I didn't take 811, cause I came from WDLs. But when I went home from Industrial Park, I took 811...wanting to go to Central...who knows. -
haha... can use former service no. alsoOriginally posted by Oceane:Well I know but that route means 811E's route because it terminates at the interchange. Because there's no definite indication of the difference between the 2 sections of 811's route. Cannot say Section A Section B mah.
811's frequencly quite irregular. For the southern route 2 buses will appear within 2-3 minutes of each other; 1 with 811 details another with 811E terminating at Yishun INT. However the next 811 bus will be 15 minutes.
True that the frequency is horrible at times, but cant blame as the 811 to Yishun North (former 801) goes thru quite a number of schools. Always packed to the door when i wait for the bus at Northpoint.
Yishun shld really really have something that is like 410 in bishan. There's already a nicely planned Ring (Yishun Ring Road) and there shld be a new service to run thru the loop (without going thru the interchange). This will really really save time to go from one side of yishun to another (e.g chong pang to 8xx). LTA read this! -
This is childish & rude.
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SBST & SMRTB Merged,then Woodlands tpt & Bedok tpt?
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I see... for this type my advice is to always go back where you came from. Most feeders/intratowns in Singapore uses this P-loop style whereby they loop after a certain section and eventually end up on the opposite side after doing the loop, forming this P-loop shape route. So it's best to take the bus back to where you came from.Originally posted by n4l:Opposite some factory.
When I went there I didn't take 811, cause I came from WDLs. But when I went home from Industrial Park, I took 811...wanting to go to Central...who knows. -
The loop is quite big yeah...Originally posted by XiaoTaro:haha... can use former service no. also
True that the frequency is horrible at times, but cant blame as the 811 to Yishun North (former 801) goes thru quite a number of schools. Always packed to the door when i wait for the bus at Northpoint.
Yishun shld really really have something that is like 410 in bishan. There's already a nicely planned Ring (Yishun Ring Road) and there shld be a new service to run thru the loop (without going thru the interchange). This will really really save time to go from one side of yishun to another (e.g chong pang to 8xx). LTA read this!
Of all the feeder/intratown services in Yishun, only 804 and 812 are good services. Passenger demand is high and the route is short and simple. But they could use some more buses, especially 804. 6 buses is a bit too little for it's demand.
800 is quite a redundant service. It goes to N2 (which already has 804 serving it) and takes a long time to go to N7 (which is it's looping point) while 812E goes to N7 in less than 10 mins. Hope LTA can do something to change it's loop to make it short and simple for N7 residents. -
Just a rough guide of 811 route.
It is divided into two parts which are indicated in red and blue.
Pardon me for the bad drawings here. I notice that in normal routine, the BC will do either the red line or the blue line indicating 811 (while travelling on the route) first followed by the latter indicating 811E. I am not sure if there are special cases to this routine.
1. Red (811) Yishun Blue(811E) Yishun
2. Blue (811) Yishun Red (811E) Yishun -
This is how Yishun intratowns work:Originally posted by tanjun:Pardon me for the bad drawings here. I notice that in normal routine, the BC will do either the red line or the blue line indicating 811 (while travelling on the route) first followed by the latter indicating 811E. I am not sure if there are special cases to this routine.
1. Red (811) Yishun Blue(811E) Yishun
2. Blue (811) Yishun Red (811E) Yishun
1 bus departs from interchange after doing -BREAK-, doing 811 (EAST). The next bus, however, comes from 811 (SOUTH). And so this pattern continues; 1 from rest and another from southern loop. As for buses in the southern loop, they will all come from eastern loop. However 1 bus shows 811 while another shows 811E. To derive this, the bus with 811 comes from doing eastern loop (first round), which means before doing eastern loop it does -BREAK-.
811E buses also come from the eastern loop, but it's the second round instead.
To make it simple,
Let the bus in this example be Bus A.
Bus A:
1) Starts from interchange after doing 10-min break
2) Does eastern loop.
3) Returns into interchange and goes immediately to southern loop. EDS will still say 811.
4) After doing southern loop, goes back into interchange for a 10-minute break (with passengers onboard).
5) Starts 2nd round of eastern loop.
6) Returns into interchange, this time EDS is changed into 811E.
7) Does southern loop.
Returns into interchange.
9) -BREAK-
For such buses, their usual timetables will be like this:
*TIME* T1 Yishun INT
*TIME* Looping point for first part of route
*TIME* T1 Yishun INT
*TIME* Looping point for second part of route
*TIME* T1 Yishun INT
*TIME* Looping point for first part of route
*TIME* T1 Yishun INT
*TIME* Looping point for second part of route
*TIME* T1 Yishun INT
--- BREAK ---
So such buses will enter the interchanges and out 4 times before doing a break. -
Oh I see. Cos normally when I take 812 to the interchange from Yishun SAFRA, 812 will always change into 812E. Perhaps I am wrong.Originally posted by Oceane:This is how Yishun intratowns work:
1 bus departs from interchange after doing -BREAK-, doing 811 (EAST). The next bus, however, comes from 811 (SOUTH). And so this pattern continues; 1 from rest and another from southern loop. As for buses in the southern loop, they will all come from eastern loop. However 1 bus shows 811 while another shows 811E. To derive this, the bus with 811 comes from doing eastern loop (first round), which means before doing eastern loop it does -BREAK-.
811E buses also come from the eastern loop, but it's the second round instead.
To make it simple,
Let the bus in this example be Bus A.
Bus A:
1) Starts from interchange after doing 10-min break
2) Does eastern loop.
3) Returns into interchange and goes immediately to southern loop. EDS will still say 811.
4) After doing southern loop, goes back into interchange for a 10-minute break (with passengers onboard).
5) Starts 2nd round of eastern loop.
6) Returns into interchange, this time EDS is changed into 811E.
7) Does southern loop. Returns into interchange.
9) -BREAK-
For such buses, their usual timetables will be like this:
*TIME* T1 Yishun INT
*TIME* Looping point for first part of route
*TIME* T1 Yishun INT
*TIME* Looping point for second part of route
*TIME* T1 Yishun INT
*TIME* Looping point for first part of route
*TIME* T1 Yishun INT
*TIME* Looping point for second part of route
*TIME* T1 Yishun INT
--- BREAK ---
So such buses will enter the interchanges and out 4 times before doing a break.
Just wondering, regarding point no. 4, the BC will take a 10 minute break with passengers onboard, does that mean that the passengers will have to waste 10 minutes staying on the bus? -
Channel NewsAsia - Sunday, January 20
Motorists express mixed reactions to bus system overhaul
SINGAPORE : Major changes to the land transport system have been announced but the shake—up is not limited to the bus system.
Motorists will soon have to give way to buses on the road and they had mixed reactions to the measures.
Gradually buses will no longer be the poor cousins on the roads as there will soon be more bus lanes and buses will have right of way over left—turning vehicles.
Motorists will also have to give way to buses exiting the bus bay.
While thatÂ’s good news for commuters, motorists were not shouting for joy.
"As it is now, bus drivers are already very aggressive, so they expect private cars to give way to them already," said one motorist.
"That will make it even harder for us and weÂ’ll be stuck in the jams," said another.
"We pay a lot for the cars too. We should be given the right of way. Bus has a lane — why should everything be given to them?"
But it was a more measured response from those who do not drive regularly or who do not need to drive at peak hours in the Central Business District.
"Personally I travel on buses and trains more than I do in cars so for me it would be an advantage," said one commuter.
"I think the normal lanes will get slower but overall I think itÂ’s a good step...if the public transport is good maybe we can switch over," added another.
"With 3 lanes, 2 lanes for the cars is good enough."
New measures affecting private cars as part of the overall land transport review are expected to be revealed shortly.
You can give your views on the LTA’s plans by sharing your comments and taking part in our news poll on the Singapore page of our Channel NewsAsia website. — CNA/ch