Bus Articles in the Newspapers and Stomp.sg
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Are the KUBs only able to display the LED in orange? If can display in other colours, for 410W LED in white whereas for 410G LED in green.
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Originally posted by tranquilice:
Since the KUBs can display Chinese characters, it's a waste for not using.
It is possible but do you think it is practical? Can you imagine how long you have to wait for the English language/Chinese language interval to complete one round of displaying the roads it passes by? -
Originally posted by SBS2695H:
This is because for many years SBST side destos have been in English and Chinese. The malays and tamils have already gotten used to side destos not in their language. Do you think it is possible to have 4 languages on the side desto? Please use some common sense. What do you mean by the stomper has no sense? Use your brains. However I believe the above mentioned elderly folks have been looking at the COLOUR of the desto for many many years. Therefore those folks might not understand what G or W on the EDS means and this is the main problem of the elderly folks. The stomper might have just thought that some chinese elderly folks may need to sometimes look at the chinese words of the desto for route info but I believe is not the main problem as these elderly folks have been living with the almost the same bus routes for many many years. Therefore, I do suggest that all SBST feeder KUBs involving G/W displays the side desto of the service at the KUB's windscreen for the sake of these folks.A word of caution to those posting crap in the route suggestions thread: It may be a little off topic, but please NEVER suggest to ammend routes with a long history or high elderly demand. It is never easy for these elderly folks to get used to route ammendments if they have problems getting used to seeing "G" or "W" on the EDS display. I can even remember someone posting major ammendment to Service 25 in that thread. If you would like to know why the PTC/LTA allows Services 25 and 854 to duplicate each other from Bedok all the way to Hougang Ave 2 until TODAY, the above mentioned might be a possible reason.
Originally posted by tranquilice:Are the KUBs only able to display the LED in orange? If can display in other colours, for 410W LED in white whereas for 410G LED in green.
Remember what I said and think about the situation. If it had been possible for the EDS to display in green and white colour, SBST would have done so already. Use your common sense please. Unless SBST gets LCD displays at the side of the KUBs which are capable of doing so but then that might be too expensive. -
Originally posted by SBS2695H:
It is possible but do you think it is practical? Can you imagine how long you have to wait for the English language/Chinese language interval to complete one round of displaying the roads it passes by?
Currently, the KUB side EDS display 2 road names together at one time. The bottom half can be used to display the Chinese version. Display at most 5 major roads the bus passes by, each takes 2 seconds, so one interval takes 10 seconds. -
Originally posted by tranquilice:
Currently, the KUB side EDS display 2 road names together at one time. The bottom half can be used to display the Chinese version. Display at most 5 major roads the bus passes by, each takes 2 seconds, so one interval takes 10 seconds.
Haha sorry, didn't know that what you mentioned was actually possible. You can try suggesting that to SBST for the sake of the old folks but whether it will be implemented it depends on SBST decisions. -
EDS can be programmed in Chinese. But the effort to do so it not worthwhile.
Bitmap drawing for EDSes suck. You will hate to be the programmer.
As for bus555, he's probably not using his brains again about the racist part...for umpteen years, the side destos have been only in English and Chinese, not Malay nor Tamil.
Now, coloured destos...
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Originally posted by SBS2695H:
This is because for many years SBST side destos have been in English and Chinese. The malays and tamils have already gotten used to side destos not in their language. Do you think it is possible to have 4 languages on the side desto? Please use some common sense. What do you mean by the stomper has no sense? Use your brains. However I believe the above mentioned elderly folks have been looking at the COLOUR of the desto for many many years. Therefore those folks might not understand what G or W on the EDS means and this is the main problem of the elderly folks. The stomper might have just thought that some chinese elderly folks may need to sometimes look at the chinese words of the desto for route info but I believe is not the main problem as these elderly folks have been living with the almost the same bus routes for many many years. Therefore, I do suggest that all SBST feeder KUBs involving G/W displays the side desto of the service at the KUB's windscreen for the sake of these folks.A word of caution to those posting crap in the route suggestions thread: It may be a little off topic, but please NEVER suggest to ammend routes with a long history or high elderly demand. It is never easy for these elderly folks to get used to route ammendments if they have problems getting used to seeing "G" or "W" on the EDS display. I can even remember someone posting major ammendment to Service 25 in that thread. If you would like to know why the PTC/LTA allows Services 25 and 854 to duplicate each other from Bedok all the way to Hougang Ave 2 until TODAY, the above mentioned might be a possible reason.
410's KUB started it's route destination by
1. SIN MING AVE 410
> BISHAN
( with side desto placed at th front )followed by
2. SIN MING AVE 410W
> BISHAN
( with side desto placed at th front )and now currently
3. SIN MING AVE 410W
> BISHAN
( without side desto placed at th front )so, by now passengers taking 410 should be able to tell th difference between 410W and 410G.
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Bus goes up in flames on PIE- Smoke can be seen from afar
http://singaporeseen.stomp.com.sg/singaporeseen/viewContent.jsp?id=56885
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Originally posted by QX179R:
Bus goes up in flames on PIE- Smoke can be seen from afar
http://singaporeseen.stomp.com.sg/singaporeseen/viewContent.jsp?id=56885
Heng it not SBST or SMRT Buses -
Originally posted by bus555:
Why no Chinese translation for bus displays?
http://singaporeseen.stomp.com.sg/singaporeseen/viewContent.jsp?id=56462i wonder is the stomper racist or what, why chinese, why not malay or tamil... simply no thinking...
btw stomper nowadays no common sense man... no offence
New SBS bus number display shouldn't only be in English
http://singaporeseen.stomp.com.sg/singaporeseen/viewContent.jsp?id=56884
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I'd say posts on STOMP usually have 0% substance and 100% sensationalism. As for chinese words on EDS.... i'd say it's as good as impossible because current EDS details are stored as text... logos like "SBS Transit", "Fast Forward" and æ�å–œå�‘è´¢ are few and hard to come by.
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Pertaining to the G/W issue, I feel that the EDSes should have maybe two rows of pixels underneath the number which can be coloured green or white. den no more confusion le.
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Originally posted by jayh272416:
Pertaining to the G/W issue, I feel that the EDSes should have maybe two rows of pixels underneath the number which can be coloured green or white. den no more confusion le.
Please think about the cost involved to do so and if it is really efficient or necessary. To solve the problem for now, SBST can simply put the green or while side destos at the windscreen of the KUB. Simple and saves cost, elderly folks get to see the desto they are used to except that it is at the windscreen. -
(Before I continue, let me just announce that I'm back here on five-day trial/self-imposed probation after my self-imposed exile. If all goes well enough, I may decide to stay and keep posting. For those who don't know what happened, don't ask what happened. For those who do, I expect you to keep quiet, at least in public.)
Originally posted by ^tamago^:I’d say posts on STOMP usually have 0% substance and 100% sensationalism.
As for chinese words on EDS…. i’d say it’s as good as impossible because current EDS details are stored as text… logos like “SBS Transit”, “Fast Forward” and æ�å–œå�‘è´¢ are few and hard to come by.
I agree - STOMP is pretty much nothing but junk food news and yellow journalism.
Back to the topic on destos, I have floated this idea around in my mind for a while now. It might not be implemented anytime soon, if ever, but do hear me out.
In the 1970's and 1980's, buses had a front small desto in addition to a side desto and the main front desto. This system was discontinued a long time ago but persists on a few exceptional bus routes (those that ply Bukit Purmei Avenue, for example). What I'm thinking of is to have a small desto, either in the form of a small plastic sign or an LCD/OLED screen, that indicates the type of bus route, whether it's terminating, green/white plate, and so on. To do this, Singapore's bus system will have to adopt the "Local/Express" nomenclature - "Local" buses referring to basic bus routes in our system (i.e. trunks, basic plus, feeders, and intra-towns), and "Express" referring to our express and Fast Forward routes. The destos will be of different colours for different situations, which I will list below:
- For Local routes, the desto will be white-on-black, with the word "Local" on it.
- For Express and Fast Forward routes, the desto will be white-one-blue, with the word "Express" on it. This is done for Fast-Forward routes mainly to avoud confusion and mix-up between the local and Fast Forward (Express) version of the route, with the latter charging higher fares.
- Premium routes will bear a white-on-purple desto, with the word "Premium" on it. Underneath it, the fare for the route and the notice stating that standing on buses on such routes is prohibited will also be stated.
- Shortworking trips and alternate "M"routes will have a black-on-yellow desto, with the destination of the trip or the extra/different areas served stated on the desto. For example, the desto for shortworking trip 27A will indicate "Blk 147 Tampines" on it's travel towards Tampines, while the desto for route 182M will indicate "Skipping Tuas Checkpoint" (or it could read "Tuas Checkpoint" with a diagnoal bar over it to visually indicate that the route will not be going there). This is to avoid any confusion between the full and shortworking/alternate version of the bus route.
- Green/white plate routes will obviously each get their respective green and white desto. The desto will indicate - in travel order - one road or landmark it will pass by before it's looping point, which will also be indicated. For example, route 410G may have...
Bishan St 11
Sin Ming Ave
...on it's desto, while route 410W may have something like...
Bishan St 22
Sin Ming Avenue
...on it's desto.
- Terminating intra-town and Premium routes will have a white-on-red desto that reads "Terminating" for terminating intra-town and premium routes. This system is already being used on such premium routes, and intra-town routes use a similar "T" plate system; These two systems should be standardised to maintain consistency.
- For routes that serve the same bus stops in both directions (eg. the Serangoon Gardens and Bukit Purmei routes), the destination of the direction could be indicated on the desto. Two colours - red and white - for each respective different direction could be used. So, for example, route 136 heading to Punggol could use a black-on-white desto that reads "Punggol", while the Ang Mo Kio ones could have white-on-red destos that read "Ang Mo Kio".
The system may sound complicated, but is actually quite simple to understand and could help lower or prevent cases of route mix-ups. Note how I used colours to indicate the type of bus route, as well as it's directionality and status in some cases, which could help the illiterate or partially-literate (for example, those who understand only Chinese) to help better differentiate the bus routes.
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i know some old folks dont even have perfect eyesight as they walk around in public....
and they always board the bus and query the BCs anyway. even see auntie ask BC question on FFW10e. if i knew mandarin or hokkien well, i may know what she was asking. -
Seems like plastic destos will still be recycled from the old buses when they retired. Having a familiar plate holder at the windscreen for perm Townlink buses so that the colour coded plates can be used.
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Originally posted by SBS2695H:
This is because for many years SBST side destos have been in English and Chinese. The malays and tamils have already gotten used to side destos not in their language. Do you think it is possible to have 4 languages on the side desto? Please use some common sense. What do you mean by the stomper has no sense? Use your brains. However I believe the above mentioned elderly folks have been looking at the COLOUR of the desto for many many years. Therefore those folks might not understand what G or W on the EDS means and this is the main problem of the elderly folks. The stomper might have just thought that some chinese elderly folks may need to sometimes look at the chinese words of the desto for route info but I believe is not the main problem as these elderly folks have been living with the almost the same bus routes for many many years. Therefore, I do suggest that all SBST feeder KUBs involving G/W displays the side desto of the service at the KUB's windscreen for the sake of these folks.A word of caution to those posting crap in the route suggestions thread: It may be a little off topic, but please NEVER suggest to ammend routes with a long history or high elderly demand. It is never easy for these elderly folks to get used to route ammendments if they have problems getting used to seeing "G" or "W" on the EDS display. I can even remember someone posting major ammendment to Service 25 in that thread. If you would like to know why the PTC/LTA allows Services 25 and 854 to duplicate each other from Bedok all the way to Hougang Ave 2 until TODAY, the above mentioned might be a possible reason.
Do you even know that after 410 started using KUBs, many elderly who do not understand english take the wrong direction? They do not know what does G and W stand for. Even if you put green for G, white for W, they still end up taking the wrong plate because they STILL do not know what does G and W stand for.
Dual language on our EDS is possible. Just look at HK buses.
And hello, route suggestions is for ANYONE to suggest ANY route. It's not limited to whether the demand is high or not. We are not members of the PTC, so why should we follow a certain criteria on suggesting routes?
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Originally posted by Oceane:
Do you even know that after 410 started using KUBs, many elderly who do not understand english take the wrong direction? They do not know what does G and W stand for. Even if you put green for G, white for W, they still end up taking the wrong plate because they STILL do not know what does G and W stand for
Yes, that's the problem. I suggested that the physical side desto be placed at the front of the windscreen. Since the elderly will just look at the COLOUR of the desto and won't have to know what "G" or "W" stands for.Meaning:
SIN MING AVE 410W
> BISHAN
( with side desto placed at the front ) -
Originally posted by SBS2695H:
Yes, that's the problem. I suggested that the physical side desto be placed at the front of the windscreen. Since the elderly will just look at the COLOUR of the desto and won't have to know what "G" or "W" stands for.Meaning:
SIN MING AVE 410W
> BISHAN
( with side desto placed at the front )You can't use destos forever... the thing is SBST is slowly moving away from using these plates.
We're talking about the confusion the EDS cause, so destos are not really an issue over here. And if we were to really use back destos, then what's the point of buying CoolAir EDS?
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Originally posted by Oceane:
Dual language on our EDS is possible. Just look at HK buses.
Not necessarily. Depends on how the EDS works.
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Originally posted by n4l:
Not necessarily. Depends on how the EDS works.
Oh well depends on the brand of the EDS too! *hint hint* -
My take on 410 matter as well as all other feeders
Use side desto above side eds and put it on the front of the bus.......
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Originally posted by TIB537B:
later we see a JB MKIII fleeing from M'sia police on the North-South Highway.
seems like the "Stop violence against our BC" campaign should be spread to M'sia too.
anyway, the article is on todayonline http://www.todayonline.com/articles/301479.asp
cannot flee leh, speed limit: 60kph
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Originally posted by chickenlittle2:
I think there got better and newer buses park there.but they are malaysian company buses, u know malaysian like to target SG buses
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Originally posted by Oceane:
Oh well depends on the brand of the EDS too! *hint hint*Maybe Yutong bus can try out chinese language eds