SBST MAN 18.240 HOCL-NL-R (A69 chassis type) demonstrator

• sbs&tibs

  18 May 08, 16:03

  Originally posted by bus555:

  I think the rego would be SBS8029P you may not know? Just between the Soon Chow and the Volvo B7R rego :)

  
  Very likely it would be registered as SBS8031J. SBS8029S will be skipped.

• Scania

  18 May 08, 23:48

  Originally posted by ZYX2005:

  agree with this. i llike MAN buses and cannot be always spending money go Hong Kong or malaysia just to have a ride in MANs.

  lol

  ZYX

   

  No need la, just go Tengah, Amoy Quee, Mandai, Tekong can liao.

• 16/f/lonely

  18 May 08, 23:49

  Originally posted by Scania:

  No need la, just go Tengah, Amoy Quee, Mandai, Tekong can liao.

  
  

  Actually just about any base will do.

• SBS3688Y

  21 May 08, 22:55

  Originally posted by ZYX2005:

  agree with this. i llike MAN buses and cannot be always spending money go Hong Kong or malaysia just to have a ride in MANs.

  lol

  ZYX

   

  
  i like MAN buses ever since when i tried them on Causeway Link svcs in JB. not forgetting the engine sounds too.
• Scania

  25 May 08, 00:35

  If the MAN demo comes with a ZF, it would most probably be a ZF6HP504, which means to say it should be the first bus using the new and quiter Ecomat-4 gearbox.

  However, if it comes with a Voith, it would most probably come with a Voith D854.5 gearbox, which means to say that it would be the first 5 speed Voith in Singapore. Don't be surprised at how fast the gears change.

• ZYX2005

  25 May 08, 00:39

  MAn always come with Voith. its a standard chassis item.

   

  I am 96 percent sure our dear MAn comes with Voith

   

  ZYX

   

• Scania

  25 May 08, 01:03

  Originally posted by ZYX2005:

  MAn always come with Voith. its a standard chassis item.

   

  I am 96 percent sure our dear MAn comes with Voith

   

  ZYX

   

  No, the info about the gearboxes was gotten from MAN's website. And most, if not all of the MAN buses delivered to the Asia Pacific area by MAN Germany within the past 2 years are either equipped with a Manual (usually a ZF S6.XX) or a ZF auto (eg, HK's NL263s, 273s, Brisbane's 18.310, NG313s, Perth's NG313). They recommend Voith for their Lion City, but for the MAN A69 chassis (ie 18.240, 280, 310 HOCL-NL), they give an option of either ZF 6HP504 or Voith 854.5.

• ^tamago^

  25 May 08, 01:23

  Yup, manual is usually 6S1900 series (now is 1901).
• nenepokey

  25 May 08, 11:26

  Originally posted by Scania:

  If the MAN demo comes with a ZF, it would most probably be a ZF6HP504, which means to say it should be the first bus using the new and quiter Ecomat-4 gearbox.

  However, if it comes with a Voith, it would most probably come with a Voith D854.5 gearbox, which means to say that it would be the first 5 speed Voith in Singapore. Don't be surprised at how fast the gears change.

  nope. Votih D854.5 is a 4-speed gearbox. the '.5' at the end means, imo, a later technology than the DIWA .3 series.

• SBS7484P

  25 May 08, 11:59

  whihc means, in short, still got long long first gear lor.

• SBS594D

  25 May 08, 12:03

  So this bus is still not on the road yet I think as it is now at a SBST Bus depot...

• sbs&tibs

  25 May 08, 12:29

  Originally posted by SBS594D:

  So this bus is still not on the road yet I think as it is now at a SBST Bus depot...

  
  No idea. Not spotted at Sin Ming either.

• Scania N113CRB luver

  25 May 08, 13:16

  Originally posted by nenepokey:

  nope. Votih D854.5 is a 4-speed gearbox. the '.5' at the end means, imo, a later technology than the DIWA .3 series.

  Hmm i was told by one of the person here that the '.4', '.5's refers to the clutch housing. Dunno correct or not. Do remember that Voith also makes a gearbox with a suffix E, for example, Voith DIWA D863.3E, but i dunno what it stands for.

• sbst275

  25 May 08, 13:34

  Originally posted by 16/f/lonely:

  
  

  Actually just about any base will do.

  Expressways sometimes can see e tonners

• Mengna Lisha

  25 May 08, 18:47

  the bus has not been registered yet? SBS is still testing the bus?

• Powered_By_CNG

  25 May 08, 21:48

  Originally posted by Scania:

  No, the info about the gearboxes was gotten from MAN's website. And most, if not all of the MAN buses delivered to the Asia Pacific area by MAN Germany within the past 2 years are either equipped with a Manual (usually a ZF S6.XX) or a ZF auto (eg, HK's NL263s, 273s, Brisbane's 18.310, NG313s, Perth's NG313). They recommend Voith for their Lion City, but for the MAN A69 chassis (ie 18.240, 280, 310 HOCL-NL), they give an option of either ZF 6HP504 or Voith 854.5.

  
  Not quite right.

  Regarding Brisbane's MAN 18.310 HOUCL-R-NL CNG units, the earlier deliveries featured ZF 6HP 592C transmissions but all of the current deliveries as well as some of the previous units feature Voith D864.5 transmissions.  All of Brisbane's NG 313 F CNG articulated buses have D864.5 transmissions also, but Perth's one has a ZF 6HP 594C transmission - a new Ecomat 4.  MAN recommends and supplies as standard, Voith DIWA.5 transmissions on all their city bus integrals and chassis now.

  Regards,
  Dave

• Powered_By_CNG

  25 May 08, 21:49

  Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:

  Hmm i was told by one of the person here that the '.4', '.5's refers to the clutch housing. Dunno correct or not. Do remember that Voith also makes a gearbox with a suffix E, for example, Voith DIWA D863.3E, but i dunno what it stands for.

  .3, .5, etc. denotes transmission generation (e.g. D863.3 is a DIWA.3 and a D864.5 is a DDIWA.5).

  An "E" suffix denotes CAN-bus compatibility (like "C" used by ZF).

  Regards,
  Dave

• SBS2695H

  25 May 08, 21:53

  Voith gearboxes are so much quieter than ZF and are whineless. I wonder why is the market wanting ZF.

• Oceane

  25 May 08, 21:57

  Originally posted by SBS2695H:

  Voith gearboxes are so much quieter than ZF and are whineless. I wonder why is the market wanting ZF.

  
  ZF gearboxes were said to consume less fuel.

• nenepokey

  25 May 08, 22:39

  Originally posted by Oceane:

  
  ZF gearboxes were said to consume less fuel.

  hmm...yeah...change gears faster will consume less fuel as it does no stress the engine that much. but the Habits are being stressed a little too much on both ZF and Voith...

• Scania N113CRB luver

  25 May 08, 23:44

  Originally posted by Powered_By_CNG:

  .3, .5, etc. denotes transmission generation (e.g. D863.3 is a DIWA.3 and a D864.5 is a DDIWA.5).

  An "E" suffix denotes CAN-bus compatibility (like "C" used by ZF).

  Regards,
  Dave

  I see. Mind if you explain what's CAN? I still do not know what's CAN till now.

• SBS9888Y

  25 May 08, 23:48

  Originally posted by SBS2695H:

  Voith gearboxes are so much quieter than ZF and are whineless. I wonder why is the market wanting ZF.

  voith more quiet than zf. i disagree on that

• SBS2695H

  25 May 08, 23:51

  Originally posted by SBS9888Y:

  voith more quiet than zf. i disagree on that

  
  On what bus can you infer that Voith is noiser than ZF?

• ^tamago^

  25 May 08, 23:53

  try listening to 883U on 317...
• SBS9888Y

  26 May 08, 00:53

  Originally posted by SBS2695H:

  
  On what bus can you infer that Voith is noiser than ZF?

  B10TL.

  partially cos of radiator.