SBST MAN 18.240 HOCL-NL-R (A69 chassis type) demonstrator
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Originally posted by Future chancellor:
i was wondering why Soon Lee are so special getting those unique buses unlike other depots...unless SBS transit are biased. But i doubt they got any reasons to do that
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Originally posted by TIB1018B:
HGDEP got SBS997A, SBS1688K as well as all the 20 Dennis Tridants.BBDEP only has SBS9889U, whereas ARBP has none.
AMDEP/BRBP only has SBS9888Y. SBS81S and SBS3572Y are gone already.
BNDEP only has SBS2888T. The 2 SBS bendys are being sold, no longer in Singapore. (Don't forget that SBS999U originates from ARBP serving servicve 195)
SLBP in fact got the most number of unique buses which I believe. It has SBS8030L, SBS8033D, as well as all the CNGs and the MK4 Soon Chows.
Yes. So its safe to say that all the depots have had their share of demos. Its not a matter of biased or anything, IMO. It just so happens that currently Soon Lee has the most because they are quite recent additions whereas the other demos/unique buses have been withdrawn.
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Originally posted by Scania:
New condo ah? 6-7 years old liao, if its HDB, its old enough to be able to sell. Anyway, I highly doubt that SBST would give slbp the bus, give other depots a chance.
Are u telling me other depots are Kampong?
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Originally posted by tintinspartan:
Well, you almost forgot about the older lone MAN that used to be under AMDEP as well. SBS81S.
Uh. That's why I said AMDEP.... -
Originally posted by Oceane:
72 and 133 are going to start K230 soon... hehehe.
I don't think the MAN will appear on a non-WAB service. -
Originally posted by ^tamago^:
I don't think the MAN will appear on a non-WAB service.
Isn't 72 a WAB service? That's what I thought so...
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Originally posted by Oceane:
Isn't 72 a WAB service? That's what I thought so...
it IS! If not, why Tam int has a dunno what ramp thinky for 72 at the alighting part... -
Originally posted by Oceane:
Isn't 72 a WAB service? That's what I thought so...
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Pardon me but i feel that the MAN will be based at eastern depot like AMDEP or BRBP
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Originally posted by chickenlittle2:
Are u telling me other depots are Kampong?I am just telling you to stop treating slbp like a gem to the extent that its over glorified. There are like 4 other depots and 2 other bus parks which belongs to SBST.
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I had a tour of the bus again today, and was given a brief on the bus by the Director of the MAN distributorship. Gemilang was chosen as a bodywork to provide a reference for SBST to compare the chassis of MAN 18.240 versus Scania K230UB, where MAN demonstrated that a wider aisle is possible throughout the length of the bus with a smaller wheel housing. The 2 wheelchair slots are more spacious than that of Scania's, and the legroom of the seats behind are bigger with the same number of seats as a Scania. Also, there's 5 elderly-friendly seats compared with 4 on the Scania.
We also had a chance to feel the engine, which was very quiet during idling. I expect the performance to be very close with the OC500LE, especially with the coupled Voith transmission.
The bus is expected to be out on the roads in mid-July. (:
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Originally posted by ^tamago^:
I had a tour of the bus again today, and was given a brief on the bus by the Director of the MAN distributorship. Gemilang was chosen as a bodywork to provide a reference for SBST to compare the chassis of MAN 18.240 versus Scania K230UB, where MAN demonstrated that a wider aisle is possible throughout the length of the bus with a smaller wheel housing. The 2 wheelchair slots are more spacious than that of Scania's, and the legroom of the seats behind are bigger with the same number of seats as a Scania. Also, there's 5 elderly-friendly seats compared with 4 on the Scania.
We also had a chance to feel the engine, which was very quiet during idling. I expect the performance to be very close with the OC500LE, especially with the coupled Voith transmission.
The bus is expected to be out on the roads in mid-July. (:
wow! that's nice. expect it to be nice!
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Originally posted by ^tamago^:
I had a tour of the bus again today, and was given a brief on the bus by the Director of the MAN distributorship. Gemilang was chosen as a bodywork to provide a reference for SBST to compare the chassis of MAN 18.240 versus Scania K230UB, where MAN demonstrated that a wider aisle is possible throughout the length of the bus with a smaller wheel housing. The 2 wheelchair slots are more spacious than that of Scania's, and the legroom of the seats behind are bigger with the same number of seats as a Scania. Also, there's 5 elderly-friendly seats compared with 4 on the Scania.
We also had a chance to feel the engine, which was very quiet during idling. I expect the performance to be very close with the OC500LE, especially with the coupled Voith transmission.
The bus is expected to be out on the roads in mid-July. (:
lol so the man is using voith.
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Originally posted by nenepokey:
wow! that's nice. expect it to be nice!
gemilang.................................
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Originally posted by SBS9888Y:
lol so the man is using voith.
yes. the new generation gearbox selector is such that you cannot jump from a R to a D after reversing, you have to put it in N and wait a while before you are allowed to move to D. (:it also features OBD version 2 which can generate data on a wider range of parameters, especially on actual emission values. (:
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LOL now already July yet the bus still havent been on then road... :)
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The MAN 18.240 will perform nowhere near as well as the Mercedes-Benz OC 500 LE - the specifications say it all. I can tell you that MAN 18.280s in Australia perform nowhere near as well off the mark as even the lower 185kW Euro 3 diesel variant of the OC 500 LE.
The OC 500 LE's engine has almost double the displacement of the 18.240's (6.87L vs. 11.97L) and has significantly more power and torque (177kW/925Nm vs. 220kW/1250Nm) - both available at lower engine speeds. The Voith transmission on the 18.240, while smoother than the ZF in the OC 500, does not match well with the MAN's small engine as its ratios are more spread out, probably causing the engine to labour at low engine speeds.
Regards,
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Originally posted by ^tamago^:
yes. the new generation gearbox selector is such that you cannot jump from a R to a D after reversing, you have to put it in N and wait a while before you are allowed to move to D. (:it also features OBD version 2 which can generate data on a wider range of parameters, especially on actual emission values. (:
new generation gearbox or not, no conventional automatic gearbox will ever allow you to go straight into R without engaging N first. even the push selector ZF and Voith gear selector console require you to press N first before you can engage D or R.
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Originally posted by Powered_By_CNG:
The MAN 18.240 will perform nowhere near as well as the Mercedes-Benz OC 500 LE - the specifications say it all. I can tell you that MAN 18.280s in Australia perform nowhere near as well off the mark as even the lower 185kW Euro 3 diesel variant of the OC 500 LE.
The OC 500 LE's engine has almost double the displacement of the 18.240's (6.87L vs. 11.97L) and has significantly more power and torque (177kW/925Nm vs. 220kW/1250Nm) - both available at lower engine speeds. The Voith transmission on the 18.240, while smoother than the ZF in the OC 500, does not match well with the MAN's small engine as its ratios are more spread out, probably causing the engine to labour at low engine speeds.
Regards,
DaveYou're really making me drool.
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Originally posted by 16/f/lonely:
You're really making me drool.
About what?
Regards,
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Originally posted by Powered_By_CNG:
About what?
Regards,
Dave
The OC500LE.....been waiting for it to arrive since the demonstrater's arrival years ago.Edit: Now you've confirmed what I thought held true, that voith tends to prove a better choice for buses that are better-endowed with power and torque since voith tends to spread the gears more evenly, while ZF tends to be more biased on the initial picking-up. Looking at the voith and ZF B9TLs and the voith and ZF MKIVs gave me this conclusion. There's great disparity in picking-up speed in the latter while there's hardly any difference in the former. But I have to admit that ZF does hold an advantage in slopes (while picking-up), as well as giving the engine less stress compared to voith.
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In fact the ZF 6-speed automatic transmission provides a good combination of brisk acceleration with industry-leading cruising economy and speed. No other automatic transmission for a bus offers twin-overdrive ratios with a 0.59:1 top ratio. It's the large number of intermediate ratios that help the ZF transmission perform well with a wide range of engine variants under most conditions.
Regards,Dave
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Originally posted by Powered_By_CNG:
In fact the ZF 6-speed automatic transmission provides a good combination of brisk acceleration with industry-leading cruising economy and speed. No other automatic transmission for a bus offers twin-overdrive ratios with a 0.59:1 top ratio. It's the large number of intermediate ratios that help the ZF transmission perform well with a wide range of engine variants under most conditions.
Regards,Dave
The gap between the 2 overdrives is rather large compared to that between the other gears.
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Originally posted by SBS9818A:
new generation gearbox or not, no conventional automatic gearbox will ever allow you to go straight into R without engaging N first. even the push selector ZF and Voith gear selector console require you to press N first before you can engage D or R.
Actually it's more like it'll damage the transmission if the bus is not stationary when D is engaged after N. -
i think the 1st thing to spoil is e gearbox. why not use e old ones?