SBST MAN 18.240 HOCL-NL-R (A69 chassis type) demonstrator
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Anybody who wants a preview of how this demonstrator may run and sound like, please make a trip to Kranji Station and see for yourself.
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Originally posted by dfs24:
Oh, and regarding the depots, I know 1 thing for sure. SL Volvos are not as nice sounding as HG. How do I know? I use SL/HG controlled sv105 frequently. .
Mm.. not to complain but HG volvo like the DM3500 seems to vibrate alot. They also got the "Chin Chin" sound from the engine when u r outside the bus. SLBP do not had any problem with this. Some DM3500 engine had been tune properly. -
Originally posted by 566117:
Simple qn. Prove it.aiyer. he from the zoo and farm de. jus ignore him. he will cluck here and dere SLBP the best. like those animal eat anything shit anywhere and make noise anyhow only. even when many SLBP BCs say, they drive other depot bus better than drive SLBP bus. 174 BC say 8030 and 8033 lan diao. he is mental keesiaos that cant admit xian shi. what is true is true. even if i stay in SLBP area, i will admit the fact SLBP has very poor maintenance capabilities. alot of SLBP 51 and 143 B9TLs vibrate le. 7485 and 7489 still in tip top condition.
i always base it on second hand evidence and not solely personal opinion
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Originally posted by chickenlittle2:
Mm.. not to complain but HG volvo like the DM3500 seems to vibrate alot. They also got the "Chin Chin" sound from the engine when u r outside the bus. SLBP do not had any problem with this. Some DM3500 engine had been tune properly.Hmm. I see. The vibrating part, I think SL Volvo vibrate more. But I am not sure about the "chin chin" sound. Shall take note next time and tell you what I think.
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Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:
Yes.
Actually MAN do offer engines with HP output of 240, 280 and 310 for the same chassis. I wonder why SBST chose the lowest HP.
SBST had made a tender for a demonstrator with 260hp and above, but at that point, the distributor for MAN could only supply a 18.240 on a more immediate basis for demonstration purposes, and actually this chassis was originally destined for another country. -
Originally posted by SBS9888Y:
aiyer. he from the zoo and farm de. jus ignore him. he will cluck here and dere SLBP the best. like those animal eat anything shit anywhere and make noise anyhow only. even when many SLBP BCs say, they drive other depot bus better than drive SLBP bus. 174 BC say 8030 and 8033 lan diao. he is mental keesiaos that cant admit xian shi. what is true is true. even if i stay in SLBP area, i will admit the fact SLBP has very poor maintenance capabilities. alot of SLBP 51 and 143 B9TLs vibrate le. 7485 and 7489 still in tip top condition.
i always base it on second hand evidence and not solely personal opinion
I personally live in the west side. SLBP area lor...I agree that the quality of buses here is.. nt that ... "good"
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Double Post
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Originally posted by 566117:
Simple qn. Prove it.They saved the most money and won that award.
:D
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Originally posted by chickenlittle2:
Mm.. not to complain but HG volvo like the DM3500 seems to vibrate alot. They also got the "Chin Chin" sound from the engine when u r outside the bus. SLBP do not had any problem with this. Some DM3500 engine had been tune properly.
Today I just saw a DM3500 on 66 bounce like those Mark IIs [eg SBS1828Z]. Suspension also can't make it! -
Seriously , what is wrong with you all fighting about bumpers and potholes and whether WAB bus can be deployed on a particular road . WAB buses are the future of singapore , so whether got pothole or not IT WILL have to be fixed sooner or later , so you will see K230 , perharps MAN & B7BRLE deployed on almost all services in a few years time , whichever service its still a bus . so what if 157 cant take in k230 now , sooner or later it will have to when merc retire , SBST will have to solve the problem and LTA has to make the roads WAB bus friendly ?
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Originally posted by dfs24:
I never understood how you people determine which service is cash cow. Unless you have figures from HQ, (if HQ even keeps track of which service brings in the most money), I think its just pure speculation.
SBST does keep track of the profitability of each service. They collect data from the ezlink cards. it was more tidious previously. and this is the job of the FINANCE department (like duh).Why S191 was converted to peak hour only service in the early 1990s was that being a full day service wasnt profitable. It has since reverted back to a Day service after much uproar by the Portsdown residents.
Why S507 was withdrawn in 2004 was that the pax load wasnt enough to cover the BC's daily pay.
And the figures you get from the HQ is the part "Total Revenue" including bus and train operations, advertising and others. They will never reveal the minute breakdown of each services' revenue/profitability to the shareholders, let alone the public.
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Originally posted by Oceane:
Long time no see... :)In fact 0000M belongs to TIB 0000M, not SBS.
XXX0000X are invaild vehicle registration numbers, so theortically, there wouldn't be any 0000, let alone any suffix, thats why many car plate shops have demo car plates like SCF0000W (even the Volvo Cab Citycab had also had SHB0000W during its photo shoot).
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Originally posted by SBS9888Y:
aiyer. he from the zoo and farm de. jus ignore him. he will cluck here and dere SLBP the best. like those animal eat anything shit anywhere and make noise anyhow only. even when many SLBP BCs say, they drive other depot bus better than drive SLBP bus. 174 BC say 8030 and 8033 lan diao. he is mental keesiaos that cant admit xian shi. what is true is true. even if i stay in SLBP area, i will admit the fact SLBP has very poor maintenance capabilities. alot of SLBP 51 and 143 B9TLs vibrate le. 7485 and 7489 still in tip top condition.
i always base it on second hand evidence and not solely personal opinion
Just see what slbp did to 2689B, 2751D-2753Z under its care. I dont know how's 2689B now under bbdep though but 2751D-2753Z fared better under hgdep. -
Originally posted by Oceane:
Long time no see... :)In fact 0000M belongs to TIB 0000M, not SBS.
Actually, it's TIB0H, if it is ever possible. In this case, M was chosen for MAN. -
Originally posted by SBS BUSES LOVER:
Seriously , what is wrong with you all fighting about bumpers and potholes and whether WAB bus can be deployed on a particular road . WAB buses are the future of singapore , so whether got pothole or not IT WILL have to be fixed sooner or later , so you will see K230 , perharps MAN & B7BRLE deployed on almost all services in a few years time , whichever service its still a bus . so what if 157 cant take in k230 now , sooner or later it will have to when merc retire , SBST will have to solve the problem and LTA has to make the roads WAB bus friendly ?
U know some people just want to rush. -
Originally posted by service_238:
Just see what slbp did to 2689B, 2751D-2753Z under its care. I dont know how's 2689B now under bbdep though but 2751D-2753Z fared better under hgdep.
Maybe in the past SLBP do not really maintain well, after the major repair and refurbish during the IMF period. They are in tip-top condition. They do not vibrate seriously like which most of the DM 3500 does. Nt even like another depot which haven got most of their Strider/DM3500 seat covers changed -
Originally posted by chickenlittle2:
Maybe in the past SLBP do not really maintain well, after the major repair and refurbish during the IMF period. They are in tip-top condition. They do not vibrate seriously like which most of the DM 3500 does. Nt even like another depot which haven got most of their Strider/DM3500 seat covers changed
No. No. No.To tell the truth, I've been taking the DM3500s on 52 that cameo frequently. Now even got perm. They vibrate like nobody's business. Even the BC who drove 2702X last week when I hopped on it claimed that the bus was very lousy and was like a massaging machine. Why so? Everytime the bus comes to rest the engine vibrates.
Please stop all these non-sensical claims to glorify SLBP. Enough is enough. We all have had experience. Please don't disclaim other's evidence and proclaim yours as superior. Everyone is equal here.
Accept the facts. Don't deny everything.
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Originally posted by ^tamago^:
Actually, it's TIB0H, if it is ever possible. In this case, M was chosen for MAN.
My calculation salah. :) -
Originally posted by service_238:
Just see what slbp did to 2689B, 2751D-2753Z under its care. I dont know how's 2689B now under bbdep though but 2751D-2753Z fared better under hgdep.
2689B's doing better now. I still remember the very first day it left SLBP and did 175, the bus was massaging the passengers on board. -
Originally posted by kenn3th:
I personally live in the west side. SLBP area lor...I agree that the quality of buses here is.. nt that ... "good"
Excellent.This is what we call "Enhanced reliability".
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Originally posted by service_238:
Just see what slbp did to 2689B, 2751D-2753Z under its care. I dont know how's 2689B now under bbdep though but 2751D-2753Z fared better under hgdep.Not forgetting SBS2647Y and SBS2763U too
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I think that this bus should be on 197,66 or 105 because its is more ideal and fits to them.
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I'm not gonna speculate.....I'm just gonna drool over the day it appears, and the prospect of more demonstrators!
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Originally posted by gorby107:
Not forgetting SBS2647Y and SBS2763U too
And also how it angers me when it just went to HGDEP, on 325. I'd never forget how slowly it was... -
Originally posted by SBS9888Y:
read properly. AMDEP could not find a suitable service due to its bumper. 26, 124, 145 were the obvious failures. it appears AMK, Toa Payoh End-ons, YCK, Bishan, St Mikes didnt pass so they had to put it on those services. understand? they gave priority to alot of services but they failed. They gave 232 and 238 the highest demand BR service that uses Toa Payoh sawtooth berths. i dunno why they didnt give 157 maybe cos SLBP didnt want to give K230s to 157. you want more old buses in the city den in the heartlands? you want those B9TL to be put nearer to the heartlands like 243 den 51? must make sense. already got this bumper problem. why not give MAN demo a better try at AMDEP
this one duscussion go nowhere. cause the bumper level is much higher than scania K230UB. furthermore the configuration of the engine parts and dash of a MAn bus is simialir to a merc. the folks who maintain mercs will have an easier time figuring out this new creature.
the MAN shd go AMKDEP or SLBP where there are mercs ard.
as a correction, shouldn't the Dsicovery bay hong Kong MANs be MAN 18.270. pls note 18.270 is a 2008 updated model and NL273 is an older model using diff specs of engines altogether.
my opinions..shrugz
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