Services that needs/does not need certain buses
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Originally posted by Superbus:
Noise = due to radiator. In fact, the radiator noise affects many of our Volvo/Leyland Olympian buses.
But, I don't see the logic.
Volgren on B10TL = aesthetically-pleasing = feeders.
Meaning 'ugly' buses must not be put on feeders?
What's your definition of 'look good'?
Neither do I see the logic between a louder engine noise and fuel consumption. -
Originally posted by Superbus:
Noise = due to radiator. In fact, the radiator noise affects many of our Volvo/Leyland Olympian buses.
But, I don't see the logic.
Volgren on B10TL = aesthetically-pleasing = feeders.
Meaning 'ugly' buses must not be put on feeders?
What's your definition of 'look good'?
I do not see the link between exhaust noise and fuel consumption.Exhaust noise depends on brand and type of the exhaust system used. Rather it should be the aerodynamics,which is obviously screwed for bus
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Originally posted by sv966:
Frankly I am not surprised that such a motion would surface time and again. Service 24, 26, 53, 135, 139, 145 etc are long time "guardians" of Mercedes, and it is understandable for bus fans like us to wish to see other models of buses on these services to spice it up.(Once upon a time Services 22, 70 and 133 belonged to this league too, until Volvos finally came in over the past year. And that was because these services had ADDs and hence had rectangular destos).
4 MK4s ever did 54 on the same day, no shortage of rect destos for sure
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All svcs need buses, certain types or not.
Or should we get pick-ups and lorries to pick us up?
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Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:
I feel that svc 89 does not need the Tridents. Rather, VO3x will do. 74 needs B9TLs and Tridents tho, esp when at Ngee Ann poly there. Under full load, when climbing some areas, the VO3x is really super stressed out. Tridents and B9TLs have enough power to do this job.
I beieve the trident will have a bit of problem also because the gearbox it uses tends to strain the engine greatly when climbing slopes in the midst of gaining speed. -
y don't SBST n SMRT xchange buses withbeach other. Maybe some bendies 4 double decks
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Originally posted by heatblast:
y don't SBST n SMRT xchange buses withbeach other. Maybe some bendies 4 double decks
That is a good idea but the companies might not want to.So why not SBST just go all single deck. Do double-deployment. Same capacity as a double deck, but twice the boarding speed.
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Originally posted by jayh272416:
That is a good idea but the companies might not want to.So why not SBST just go all single deck. Do double-deployment. Same capacity as a double deck, but twice the boarding speed.
This means more manpower. Anyway, I will still prefer to have DDs over bendies. DDs are more comfortable. -
Originally posted by SBS2695H:
This means more manpower. Anyway, I will still prefer to have DDs over bendies. DDs are more comfortable.
"more comfortable"? Are'nt the seats the same as those SD ones? -
I hope Sv. 74 stop getting damned NAC buses
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Originally posted by jayh272416:
"more comfortable"? Are'nt the seats the same as those SD ones?
When at the upper deck, you will feel less virbrations and it is quieter. DDs are working very well for SBST.Originally posted by ceecookie:
I hope Sv. 74 stop getting damned NAC buses
The VO2x right? I think they will be retired in 2011 or 2012.
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Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:
I feel that svc 89 does not need the Tridents. Rather, VO3x will do. 74 needs B9TLs and Tridents tho, esp when at Ngee Ann poly there. Under full load, when climbing some areas, the VO3x is really super stressed out. Tridents and B9TLs have enough power to do this job.
Its not about power or not, its about cost of operating the buses. Tridents have a higher fuel consumption than the other DDs in Singapore. Its either you put it on a service where the load is high for most of the time (like 51, 80, where the cost can be offset by the no. of passengers paying adult fare) or you place it on services like 89 which do not require as much idling/slow moving traffic (which wastes even more fuel) than other services like 74 (which doesn't have an amazing off peak load) and 153. Furthermore, on such services, most of the time, the bus doesn't get out of 1st gear. -
Originally posted by SBS2695H:
When at the upper deck, you will feel less virbrations and it is quieter. DDs are working very well for SBST.The VO2x right? I think they will be retired in 2011 or 2012.
OIC. Thx for enlightening me!
-3816U
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Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:
I feel that svc 89 does not need the Tridents. Rather, VO3x will do. 74 needs B9TLs and Tridents tho, esp when at Ngee Ann poly there. Under full load, when climbing some areas, the VO3x is really super stressed out. Tridents and B9TLs have enough power to do this job.
they need SBS9298A. =D;put this bus on slow poke svc 119 where bc cant chiong, wasted. except in the morning, where immediately turn out from sengkang int will always floor the pedal. nice speed burst.
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Dunno why this topic shold be allow to go on,really nonsense IMO could lead into another flame war.All buses got their plus and minor points period
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Originally posted by Scania:
Its not about power or not, its about cost of operating the buses. Tridents have a higher fuel consumption than the other DDs in Singapore. Its either you put it on a service where the load is high for most of the time (like 51, 80, where the cost can be offset by the no. of passengers paying adult fare) or you place it on services like 89 which do not require as much idling/slow moving traffic (which wastes even more fuel) than other services like 74 (which doesn't have an amazing off peak load) and 153. Furthermore, on such services, most of the time, the bus doesn't get out of 1st gear.
If the Tridents are put on feeders where routes are short, will more or less fuel be used? Heartland roads do not need as much idling as compared to the CBD. -
Originally posted by sv966:
Frankly I am not surprised that such a motion would surface time and again. Service 24, 26, 53, 135, 139, 145 etc are long time "guardians" of Mercedes, and it is understandable for bus fans like us to wish to see other models of buses on these services to spice it up.(Once upon a time Services 22, 70 and 133 belonged to this league too, until Volvos finally came in over the past year. And that was because these services had ADDs and hence had rectangular destos).
But putting aside this subjective view of personal desires, the reason why such services have yet to get Volvos or other models is basically due to
- Lack of rectangular destos
- Plenty of Merz in AMDEP that the deliberate usage of Mk IV (even as cameo) is not necessarySo I guess while such desire to "de-Merc Service 24" is perfectly natural, attempting to justify it with a myriad of illogical reasons based on "need" will not improve the situation.
We can only wait =)
In fact AMDEP/BRBP based services 24, 26, 53, 57, 73, 90, 130, 135, 136, 138, 139, 142, 145, 155, 231, 235, 261, 262, 269 have been using only OAC/CAC Mercedes buses, which has become very "boring" over these years. How I wish I can spot at least a AMDEP based Volvo MK4 cameo on these services. Also to add on SLBP services 240, 333 and 334 too.
Service 70 if I am not mistaken got its rectangular desto and DD desto when it had NAC VO2x. It had been reused on VO3x, LO2x and VSO ever since the VO2x went to SLBP.
Also for JB bound services 160 and 170 which are using only Volvo MK3 buses, I wonder if Volvo MK4 Striders and DM3500 can be deployed there as well.
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Originally posted by sv966:
Bukit Batok depot lor. Just go to Clementi and Bukit Merah and you get what I mean. But then again, that's because they pretty much don't have many other buses to play around with.
It's time for you to see beyond BNDEP ;)
HGDEP also
can go to northeast areas and check it out too, as well as Kallang's service 11 
AMDEP/BRBP lagi better, new Scania K230UBs can even be spotted on feeder routes too.
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Originally posted by 16/f/lonely:
All svcs need buses, certain types or not.
Or should we get pick-ups and lorries to pick us up?
Or how about 5 tonners
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Originally posted by TIB1018B:
In fact AMDEP/BRBP based services 24, 26, 53, 57, 73, 90, 130, 135, 136, 138, 139, 142, 145, 155, 231, 235, 261, 262, 269 have been using only OAC/CAC Mercedes buses, which has become very "boring" over these years. How I wish I can spot at least a AMDEP based Volvo MK4 cameo on these services. Also to add on SLBP services 240, 333 and 334 too.
Service 70 if I am not mistaken got its rectangular desto and DD desto when it had NAC VO2x. It had been reused on VO3x, LO2x and VSO ever since the VO2x went to SLBP.
Also for JB bound services 160 and 170 which are using only Volvo MK3 buses, I wonder if Volvo MK4 Striders and DM3500 can be deployed there as well.
In fact, one Volvo MKIV each for these AMDEP/BRBP services mentioned is enough excluding feeders 231 and 235.
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Originally posted by TIB1018B:
Also for JB bound services 160 and 170 which are using only Volvo MK3 buses, I wonder if Volvo MK4 Striders and DM3500 can be deployed there as well.
All the JB-bound buses need to be specially registered with the Malaysian authorities as well as retrofitted to fit their requirements, so I'm afraid cameos on these services are out of the question ;)Some of the special arrangements which the buses need to fulfil include:
- Additional road tax labels and parking labels (for Larkin Terminal) need to be displayed on the windscreen
- Address and Tel No of the owning company need to be painted clearly in a large black box on both sides of the vehicle
- Additional (third) brake light
- Emergency exit door stickered with white-red indication on the interior, as well as signages in Bahasa Melayu
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i feel that service 151 could make use of a single double decker bus just for those peak periods instead of increasing bus frequency resulting in some buses very empty while others are packed.
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Originally posted by cApitaland:
i feel that service 151 could make use of a single double decker bus just for those peak periods instead of increasing bus frequency resulting in some buses very empty while others are packed.
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Originally posted by sv966:
All the JB-bound buses need to be specially registered with the Malaysian authorities as well as retrofitted to fit their requirements, so I'm afraid cameos on these services are out of the question ;)Some of the special arrangements which the buses need to fulfil include:
- Additional road tax labels and parking labels (for Larkin Terminal) need to be displayed on the windscreen
- Address and Tel No of the owning company need to be painted clearly in a large black box on both sides of the vehicle
- Additional (third) brake light
- Emergency exit door stickered with white-red indication on the interior, as well as signages in Bahasa Melayu
I was wondering how arrangements were made when service 170 was officially converted from a NAC to a FAC service in November 2001 -
Originally posted by Scania:
Its not about power or not, its about cost of operating the buses. Tridents have a higher fuel consumption than the other DDs in Singapore. Its either you put it on a service where the load is high for most of the time (like 51, 80, where the cost can be offset by the no. of passengers paying adult fare) or you place it on services like 89 which do not require as much idling/slow moving traffic (which wastes even more fuel) than other services like 74 (which doesn't have an amazing off peak load) and 153. Furthermore, on such services, most of the time, the bus doesn't get out of 1st gear.Yes, the bus are put on routes they can serve most efficiently, such that the overall cost of running the network is lower, but I don't quite agree with the "more passengers to offset the cost" theory. At the end of the day, whatever bus they put on the route doesn't matter, because the passengers will still take it, and the fare collected is still the same, and the total revenue is the same.