CCL3 Bus Rationalisation Discussion Thread
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Originally posted by jayh272416:
Thomson Line route is how?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/SMRT_v2008_4.jpg
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Thomson Line (TSL)
From Woodlands - Marina
via Mandai, AMK (Mflwer area), Sin Ming, Thomson, Orchard, Kim Seng, Tanjong Pagar then down towards Shenton Way area.
Eastern Region Line (ERL)
From Changi - Marina
(Starting Point - CGVille, CACC, CGAirp?) via Xilin, Bedok Sth, UEC, Marine P, EC, Tanjong Rhu.)
Uncomfirmed Lines- NCL ( North Coastal Line )
- HLL ( Holland Line )
- TPL ( Tampines Line )
- STL ( Seletar Line )
- ICL ( Inner Circle Line )
- WCL ( West Circle Line )
NCL
W'lands - CGA
via S'wang, YN, Seletar, Punggol, PSR
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HLL
Tuas - Orchard
via JIE, J Isle, T Gn, BBT, T Tk, Ulu Pn, Holland, Napr
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TPL
Tamp - AMK
via Tamp Rd, H'gang, S'goon Nth, AMK, Mflwer
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STL, ICL, WCL Forgot.
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I think 853 will be affected, since it would run parallel to the NSL, CCL, and NEL from Yishun to Potong Pasir. I can tell that demand for 853 would drop quite significantly after CCL opens.
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Originally posted by sbst_no_162:
I think 853 will be affected, since it would run parallel to the NSL, CCL, and NEL from Yishun to Potong Pasir. I can tell that demand for 853 would drop quite significantly after CCL opens.
Maybe more UD will replace the other rigds in 853
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TSL perhaps 162. Go from Sin Ming all the way to Orchard.
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Originally posted by SBS n SMRT:
Maybe more UD will replace the other rigds in 853
By the time, UDs might have been replaced instead. -
The main question is whether the Circle line can cope, with YCT's LTA's usual short sighted plans (Circle line was planned during his time mah), things can go wrong, its basically 40 x 3 car trains which are running on high demand sectors, especially with Bouna Vista/Portsdown developments and the stretch between Bishan and the city. And if SMRT cannot cope due to YCT's idea of a "medium rail", then buses would still be needed.
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Originally posted by sbs&tibs:
I don't think they will withdraw the routes, but amend them, since the new LTA rule states that bus services are allowed to duplicate train lines.
Bus services are now allowed to duplicate MATURE rail lines.
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Originally posted by sv966:
Bus services are now allowed to duplicate MATURE rail lines.
One thing that they never state clearly..
How do you actually define "Mature" ?- A Train line that has been existed for a very long time (min 10yrs) ?
- A Train line that is already at its near capacity ?
Something to think about it.
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Originally posted by sbst_no_162:
I think 853 will be affected, since it would run parallel to the NSL, CCL, and NEL from Yishun to Potong Pasir. I can tell that demand for 853 would drop quite significantly after CCL opens.
Heheh ... Who knows if they might decide to extend 853 to goto Upp East Coast everyday instead, and make some modifications in the route along AMK to Boon Keng
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Originally posted by sBs_boy:
One thing that they never state clearly..
How do you actually define "Mature" ?- A Train line that has been existed for a very long time (min 10yrs) ?
- A Train line that is already at its near capacity ?
Something to think about it.
Mature mean EWL and NSL not NEL and CCL
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Originally posted by sbs&tibs:
By the time, UDs might have been replaced instead.With SPH in helm of SMRT, who believe on her words, see the oc500le launch date, and now only 1 new oc500le, by year end, i doubt that there willl be 49
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Originally posted by Scania:
The main question is whether the Circle line can cope, with YCT's LTA's usual short sighted plans (Circle line was planned during his time mah), things can go wrong, its basically 40 x 3 car trains which are running on high demand sectors, especially with Bouna Vista/Portsdown developments and the stretch between Bishan and the city. And if SMRT cannot cope due to YCT's idea of a "medium rail", then buses would still be needed.
answer may be adding more service 128 type to help CCL to cope
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Originally posted by SBS n SMRT:
Mature mean EWL and NSL not NEL and CCL
Disagree. NEL also sees high loading during peak hour. If they want people to convert to public transport, they need to minimise such peak hour squeeze into NEL trains.They should have realised by now, the NEL rationalisation exercise of 2003 was much of a mistake. NEL's peak hour loads is definitely comparable to NSL's, if not more.
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Originally posted by Oceane:
Disagree. NEL also sees high loading during peak hour. If they want people to convert to public transport, they need to minimise such peak hour squeeze into NEL trains.They should have realised by now, the NEL rationalisation exercise of 2003 was much of a mistake. NEL's peak hour loads is definitely comparable to NSL's, if not more.
But that was what i heard in the Train Forum, in my opinion, i agree NEL is a mature line
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Originally posted by SBS n SMRT:
Mature mean EWL and NSL not NEL and CCL
You did not answer what i was trying to say..Or rather..
You do not understand what i was saying in the first place.
I did not ask which of the current MRT lines are mature.
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Originally posted by sBs_boy:
You did not answer what i was trying to say..Or rather..
You do not understand what i was saying in the first place.
I did not ask which of the current MRT lines are mature.
Just providing info
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Originally posted by SBS n SMRT:
Just providing info
den it would be better you dont quote his question. -
Originally posted by sinicker:
den it would be better you dont quote his question.I will take note...thanks
I am new...
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Urmz...
Withdraw 75, 190, 700, 700A and 960?
Cos all can take trains =X
Hope this doesnt come true!
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i wonder what happens if 190 is wirhdrawn...
:)
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I add on to my DTL stage 3
65
66 (basically this service is screwed for the whole line) -
Hmm. 852 is prolly gonna b gone too. x(. Downtown line, circle line and NSL parallels the route from bukit timah onwards. It had better not go
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As fares become distance related, it may result to some direct services shortened or withdrawn according to an article mentioned in The Straits Times at 12th July 2008.
Quote from the article, "A revamp in the Transport system still under way could see more direct services being withdrawn."
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Originally posted by tanjun:
As fares become distance related, it may result to some direct services shortened or withdrawn according to an article mentioned in The Straits Times at 12th July 2008.
Quote from the article, "A revamp in the Transport system still under way could see more direct services being withdrawn."
In fact we need more direct/express services if the LTA really wants to encourage more people to take public transport. In fact all the Cityshopper services (except 580) can be converted to Express Service and operate full day, and those working at Orchard Road Can benefit.
