CCL3 Bus Rationalisation Discussion Thread
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Perhaps the bus companies here should take out the unpredictability in taking buses. That would solve many problems. Ultimately the objective is have a very dependable system - such that cars are absolutely not necesary at all.
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Originally posted by SBS2695H:
In fact we need more direct/express services if the LTA really wants to encourage more people to take public transport. In fact all the Cityshopper services (except 580) can be converted to Express Service and operate full day, and those working at Orchard Road Can benefit.Strongly agree with you. I think costs of the cityshopper service is a major impediment to higher demand and utilisation of the cityshopper services. Instead of contemplating about scrapping more direct services, I will suggest of lowering the costs of cityshopper services to allow more seats to be filled up.
The idea of dollar/minute should be the same or just slightly higher for taking a direct cityshopper service or taking a feeder bus and making a transfer to the MRT.
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Originally posted by tanjun:
Strongly agree with you. I think costs of the cityshopper service is a major impediment to higher demand and utilisation of the cityshopper services. Instead of contemplating about scrapping more direct services, I will suggest of lowering the costs of cityshopper services to allow more seats to be filled up.
The idea of dollar/minute should be the same or just slightly higher for taking a direct cityshopper service or taking a feeder bus and making a transfer to the MRT.
cityshopper is a good effort but sadly, overpriced. well, at least this is what i feel. even though i wanted to try it, the BC put the terminating plate up when he was heading to town(spent 25mins at bus stop & 2 "terminating" 576s came). an ideal price would be $2.50. if their nightriders can operate at $2.50, i dont see why their cityshoppers cant. if need be, only have it on weekends then. but i must say the first & last few trips on weekdays do have a healthy load.
also, why is 578/581 so expensive at $3.60. i dont see why it is more expensive than the rest. it isnt that far too anyway. we all know how fare stages jump like crazy on express sectors.
in an effort to make premium services really "premium", they fail to see that demand would improve if prices were made to be lower. with more passengers paying a lower price, they may even make a handsome profit running their cityshopper services. -
Originally posted by Oceane:
Disagree. NEL also sees high loading during peak hour. If they want people to convert to public transport, they need to minimise such peak hour squeeze into NEL trains.They should have realised by now, the NEL rationalisation exercise of 2003 was much of a mistake. NEL's peak hour loads is definitely comparable to NSL's, if not more.
But I disagree with you, NSL has way higher loads than NEL, truth is, I can't board a Northbound train during PM peak at Yio Chu Kang (don't even think of Novena or Toa Payoh) but I can still board NEL (with a bit of squeezing) at Dhoby Ghaut during PM Peak. I must say that the NSL and EWL rationalisation, which saw old services like 3, 4, 8, 28, 104, 134, 140, 141, 146, 148, 163 (scaled back), 168 gone among a host of others (let those older bus fans say cos I dunno all) were greater in terms of impact than the NEL one.
Also do note that you can start getting seats by the time NEL reaches Kovan, or even Serangoon during PM peak, and for NSL during the same time, forget about it unless you kena a train which is behind a late one.
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actually, there is still along way 2 go before the MRT lines are ready. By the time these MRT lines are ready, many bus services will be introduced and withdrawn. Maybe LTA change plan 2 make more ppl take public transport?
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Originally posted by sinicker:
cityshopper is a good effort but sadly, overpriced. well, at least this is what i feel. even though i wanted to try it, the BC put the terminating plate up when he was heading to town(spent 25mins at bus stop & 2 "terminating" 576s came). an ideal price would be $2.50. if their nightriders can operate at $2.50, i dont see why their cityshoppers cant. if need be, only have it on weekends then. but i must say the first & last few trips on weekdays do have a healthy load.
also, why is 578/581 so expensive at $3.60. i dont see why it is more expensive than the rest. it isnt that far too anyway. we all know how fare stages jump like crazy on express sectors.
in an effort to make premium services really "premium", they fail to see that demand would improve if prices were made to be lower. with more passengers paying a lower price, they may even make a handsome profit running their cityshopper services.I only need to pay $1.00 only:))
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Originally posted by jayh272416:
66 (basically this service is screwed for the whole line)
no. 66 only plies pass macpherson station and botanic gardens station.
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does all the future lines planned = lesser new bus bought ?
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Originally posted by SBS9888Y:
no. 66 only plies pass macpherson station and botanic gardens station.
NO! 66 plies the whole stretch of BT Rd (About 8 Stn) and MacPherson / Ubi / BRes (About 5 Stn) and the Rochor Area (About 2 Stn).
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i dun think so. in think if they got more future lines than more ppl will take public transport = taking more bus services from mrt stations = more buses
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Originally posted by ftjj0298:
NO! 66 plies the whole stretch of BT Rd (About 8 Stn) and MacPherson / Ubi / BRes (About 5 Stn) and the Rochor Area (About 2 Stn).
erm, please look at title of thread.
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Originally posted by sinicker:
erm, please look at title of thread.
Erm, i am the threadstarter. And actually this thread is not like that. It is some mod or admin who changed it. -
Originally posted by ftjj0298:
NO! 66 plies the whole stretch of BT Rd (About 8 Stn) and MacPherson / Ubi / BRes (About 5 Stn) and the Rochor Area (About 2 Stn).
i'm talking about the CCL.
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Originally posted by SBS9888Y:
i'm talking about the CCL.
Um I was talking about the DTL when i said 66 is screwed for the whole route. -
Originally posted by ftjj0298:
Erm, i am the threadstarter. And actually this thread is not like that. It is some mod or admin who changed it.
your first post at 3.55pm.
you edit at 10pm.
i'm not that stupid.
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Originally posted by sinicker:
your first post at 3.55pm.
you edit at 10pm.
i'm not that stupid.
& i vividly remember that you only talked abt CCL then.Ya. But then i change to all the future MRT lines rite? So now I have the rights to say about any MRT line. And I found out you always like to quarrel with me........
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Originally posted by ftjj0298:
Ya. But then i change to all the future MRT lines rite? So now I have the rights to say about any MRT line. And I found out you always like to quarrel with me........
oh. i apologise then. i dont like inconsistent people. i find them inefficient. -
it is so good being a scholar. 45cents,35cents. keep repeating until transitlink dont allow. hehehe
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Originally posted by ftjj0298:
Ya. But then i change to all the future MRT lines rite? So now I have the rights to say about any MRT line. And I found out you always like to quarrel with me........
Agree with sinicker. Find out where the problem lies on yourself which leads to quarrels. -
Originally posted by ftjj0298:
Ya. But then i change to all the future MRT lines rite? So now I have the rights to say about any MRT line. And I found out you always like to quarrel with me........
relax. dun talk like a 10 year old kid please. everything take offence.
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look, the reason why i flare up here is because i vividly remember him only asking abt CCL & then the mod decided to make it neater & changed the thread title since his title was very informal(forum users like SBS2695H like formality)
& now with such "i'm the TS, i have the right, dono-which-stupid-mod change title" attitude, i think you really need to look into yourself & understand what has been going on..
be fortunate enough that this is only happening here & not when you start work or what...