Route Suggestions (Part 2)
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Originally posted by SBS9888Y:
short routes are there to cater the pax. due to certain portions of route requiring a certain bulk of pax. it is not ideal for merging.
there is need for more short routes rather than merging short routes to have more long routes.
bc prefer shorter routes too. but not too short (e.g 284 and 354) hahah.
Don't forget that longer routes are able to provide more opportunities for more direct options. Also, I believe the BCs won't want any route that is short. If I were to be a BC I would prefer a route that is simple, easy to remember, not too many turns and not many traffic jams along the route, but not necessary to be short. But most importantly a route with hardly any students taking during after school hours. -
Originally posted by SBS2695H:
Don't forget that longer routes are able to provide more opportunities for more direct options. Also, I believe the BCs won't want any route that is short. If I were to be a BC I would prefer a route that is simple, easy to remember, not too many turns and not many traffic jams along the route, but not necessary to be short. But most importantly a route with hardly any students taking during after school hours.
Then you had better not be a BC. -
service 110 Bedok- Serangoon
Bedok int
Bedok north ave 4
new upper changi rd
upper changi rd east
tampines rd
follow service 81 route till serangoon int
pls amend my suggestion if you feel it can be done so to further improve it
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Originally posted by Oceane:
Then you had better not be a BC.No, I beg to differ. He'd better be a BC. He'd be the best and most hardworking BC in the company (i.e. model BC that no one wants to follow).
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Originally posted by n4l:
No, I beg to differ. He'd better be a BC. He'd be the best and most hardworking BC in the company (i.e. model BC that no one wants to follow).
Yes.
He'll throw so many irrelevant suggestions to the depot starter that the starter will eventually leave everything to him.
Then he'll turn SBST upside down.
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Well, on a more serious note, there are both inherent advantages to both long-and-indirect routes and short-and-direct routes. Long-and-indirect routes cover more areas and reduce the need for more transfers, but also adds more time to journeys as the bus route will have to make circuitous detours all over the place rather than taking the most direct route possible; short-and-direct routes use the most straightforward routes to get from one area to another, and reduces journey times overall, but such a route creates problems for those living in an area not directly served by the route - the person will either need to take another bus out, or walk.
Both kinds of routes have their strengths and weaknesses, and some routes incorporates both kinds of routing strategy in them; examples that come to mind include Express 502, Fast Forward 174e, and many of SBS Transit's Premium routes, which take a more direct route between the satellite towns and the city area but makes somewhat circuitous detours within the residental areas to pick more commuters up.
Both kinds of routes are needed in a healthy and balanced bus system; if there are too many long-and-indirect routes (in order to heap as much efficency as possible), people will complain about long journey times - which is already a common grouse. On the other hand, if there are too many short-and-direct routes, people will complain about making unnecessary transfers, having to walk, and such - another common grouse. Not only that, but a lot more bus routes will need to be implemented, hence requiring more buses and resulting in the direct opposite of a "many long-and-indirect routes" bus system - inefficency. A balance must be sought between the two if Singapore is to have a healthy bus network.
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Hong Kong provides a reasonable example of why routes should be short or direct.
There are similarities and differences between Hong Kong and Singapore, the similarities are that Singapore and HK are well connected by a train network, almost every town is served by at least a train station (save for Southern HK), also, there is the application of the hub and spoke method, although to different extents in both cities.
The difference is that Hong Kong don't have that much of bloody long and indirect routes (even if they are long, they tend to be direct, save for E routes which go through Tung Chung), even though some routes deviate to serve certain estates/stations before continuing the journey, but most of them after deviating to such estates/stations, would go directly to the destination town/urban area via highways. Another differenc is that there is significant competition between buses and trains, with buses being cheaper but slightly slower than trains usually. With more choices and shorter routes which save time, consumers' welfare is comparatively higher than Singapore's.
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More merging possibilities
962 & 903. Reopen woodlands centre road terminal for this merged service.
79 & 183: Links the two industrial areas together.
82 & 158. Reopen punggol pt terminal and bring back the seaside seafood restaurants!
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Originally posted by catinthehat:
More merging possibilities
962 & 903. Reopen woodlands centre road terminal for this merged service.
79 & 183: Links the two industrial areas together.
82 & 158. Reopen punggol pt terminal and bring back the seaside seafood restaurants!
Why do you need senseless merging which serve no purpose? Merging should only be done if the routes are short enough and that the final route is that of a sensable one which has sufficient demand for the merged route to break even.
At this rate, there are more and more senseless route suggestions which are created out of zest, with people creating or merging routes which serve not much purpose but to satisfy their need of simply creating new routes for fun.
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If anybody wanna merge and have long routes, try these
30 with 174 (Bedok - New Bridge Road)
858 till airport den 24 route (Woodlands-AMK)
173 with 61 (Enous-Clementi)
haha
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Originally posted by SBS n SMRT:
If anybody wanna merge and have long routes, try these
30 with 174 (Bedok - New Bridge Road)
858 till airport den 24 route (Woodlands-AMK)
173 with 61 (Enous-Clementi)
haha
For 238% more insanity, try extending that further:
858 + 24 + 138 + 927 + 190.
Woodlands > Airport > Ang Mo Kio > Zoo > Choa Chu Kang > New Bridge Road.
/me runs.
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Originally posted by anime lover:
service 110 Bedok- Serangoon
Bedok int
Bedok north ave 4
new upper changi rd
upper changi rd east
tampines rd
follow service 81 route till serangoon int
pls amend my suggestion if you feel it can be done so to further improve it
How to jump from Bedok Int to Bedok North Ave 4, from Bedok North Ave 4 to New Upp Changi Rd and Upper Changi Rd East to Tampines Rd?
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Extend 111 to Jurong East
Jurong East Int - Marina Ctr Term
Jurong East IntJurong East Ctrl
Jurong Town Hall Rd
PIE
Clementi Ave 6
AYE
Clementi RdDover Rd
Dover Ave
C'wealth Ave West
C'wealth Ave
Follow Current Service 111 Route
111M
Ghim Moh Term to Marina Ctr Term
Current Service 111 Route -
Originally posted by eX.A.K.R.:
For 238% more insanity, try extending that further:
858 + 24 + 138 + 927 + 190.
Woodlands > Airport > Ang Mo Kio > Zoo > Choa Chu Kang > New Bridge Road.
/me runs.
I was thinking of this53 + 52 + 143 + 90 + 94
CGA to Eunos
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Service 152
Jurong East Interchange - Ang Mo Kio Interchange
Via
Ang Mo Kio Ave 8
Ang Mo Kio Ave 1
Marymount Rd
Thomson Rd
Lornie Rd
Adam Rd
Farrer Rd
Holland Rd
Clementi Rd
Commonwealth Ave West
Toh Guan Rd
Jurong East Central
Jurong East Interchange -
Originally posted by SBS 9256 X:
Service 152
Jurong East Interchange - Ang Mo Kio Interchange
Via
Ang Mo Kio Ave 8
Ang Mo Kio Ave 1
Marymount Rd
Thomson Rd
Lornie Rd
Adam Rd
Farrer Rd
Holland Rd
Clementi Rd
Commonwealth Ave West
Toh Guan Rd
Jurong East Central
Jurong East Interchange
A bit duplicating with 52, but nevertheless its still good. Maybe u can cut out the toh guan sector, it seems unnecessary with 52 n 105 in place.Currently Clementi to JE theres no very direct bus, 52 105 183 all go toh guan. 99, no lah, stop outside there then need walk in. -
Originally posted by catinthehat:
More merging possibilities
79 & 183: Links the two industrial areas together.
I don't see any demands in travelling between Chin Bee and Toh Guan East
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In my opinion, long routes and short routes each have their strengths and weakness. However, as more MRT lines have been built, long routes may become a thing in the past since taking MRT is way faster than taking a bus.
For a start, the major weakness of a long route is its demand throughout the whole route. There may be high demand only at certain section of the route but in other section, the bus can be less than 50% loaded with passengers. In addition, there are few people that will be taking the entire route.
Take 151 for example. The demand comes mainly in the direction from Hougang to Kent Ridge. It goes up from Jln Toa Payoh all the way to Bukit Timah. However, in the opposite direction, the demand for 151 buses can be low. The longer the route, the unprofitable it becomes if the demand pattern is in this way.
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Originally posted by jayh272416:
A bit duplicating with 52, but nevertheless its still good. Maybe u can cut out the toh guan sector, it seems unnecessary with 52 n 105 in place.Currently Clementi to JE theres no very direct bus, 52 105 183 all go toh guan. 99, no lah, stop outside there then need walk in.
service 78 ? -
SBST 144
Jurong East Int - Upper East Coast Rd Ter
- Jurong East St 12/13
- Jurong East Central
- Jurong East Central
- Boon Lay Way
- Commonwealth Ave W
- Dover Ave
- Dover Rd
- North Buona Vista Rd
- AYE
- ECP
- Fort Rd
- Mountbatten Rd
- Old Airport Rd
- Dunman Rd
- Tanjong Katong Rd
- Geylang Rd/Paya Lebar Rd
- Sims Ave
- Jalan Eunos/Still Rd
- East Coast Rd
- Upper East Coast Rd
- Upper East Coast Rd Ter
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Originally posted by SBS 9256 X:
Service 152
Jurong East Interchange - Ang Mo Kio Interchange
Via
Ang Mo Kio Ave 8
Ang Mo Kio Ave 1
Marymount Rd
Thomson Rd
Lornie Rd
Adam Rd
Farrer Rd
Holland Rd
Clementi Rd
Commonwealth Ave West
Toh Guan Rd
Jurong East Central
Jurong East InterchangeIf you realised, it is duplicating 165 for 20~30 stops.
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Originally posted by azharjj:
service 78 ?
Round and round at Tj Penjuru to Pandan Ave area. -
Service 983
983 from Toa Payoh to Sembawang(Cross-Border)
- Toa Payoh Int
- Toa Payoh Lor 6
- Jln Toa Payoh
- CTE
- AMK Ave 1
- AMK Ave 8
- AMK Ave 5
- CTE
- SLE
- Upp Thomson Rd
- Sembawang Rd
- Canberra Link
- Canberra Rd
- Admiralty Lane
- Admiralty Link
- Sembawang Dr
- Sembawang Int
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Originally posted by ftjj0298:
Round and round at Tj Penjuru to Pandan Ave area.so not counted,Isit?
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284 to serve NUS
- Kent Ridge Terminal
- Kent Ridge Cresent
- Clementi Rd
- Commonwealth Ave West
- Clementi Ave 3(new bus stop)
- Clementi Int
- Clementi Ave 4
- Clementi Int
- Clementi Ave 3
- Commonwealth Ave West
- Clementi Rd
- Kent Ridge Cresent
- Kent Ridge Terminal
Would suggest this svc to have 2 VO3s,3 Mark IIIs