Down Memory Lane (Part 3)
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Originally posted by eX.A.K.R.:
Yes, that's the font. One look at it and I already knew that isn't either Arial or Helvetica; if it's not an SBS in-house font, then it's probably one of the Grotesque sans-serif font (you might want to read that up on WIkipedia).
I might do a post-article about desto fonts one of these days.
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Originally posted by SMRT BUSES LuvER:
Talking abt destos, ive came across this website which had Strider on 67.. Ive nvr seen this type of desto in my life!:
Photo Courtesy of BUS HUNTER.
the desto red/green background was used as a shortworking trips. Back then, they used this kind of desto with termination points, rather than using SWT numbers like 67A, 67B, etc. -
i remember 151, 173 and 74 used that plate for SWT
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Just wondering...
Did the newly bought Nissan Diesel U31RCN (I am referring to CSS178K - CSS211Y and TIB362M - TIB377X) used the rolling blue desto before switching to the EDS later on? -
Originally posted by Apex-LW'21:
Just wondering...
Did the newly bought Nissan Diesel U31RCN (I am referring to CSS178K - CSS211Y and TIB362M - TIB377X) used the rolling blue desto before switching to the EDS later on?The TIB regos came with EDS. I think the CSS ones too, but were NAC. Anyone can confirm?
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Originally posted by Apex-LW'21:
the desto red/green background was used as a shortworking trips. Back then, they used this kind of desto with termination points, rather than using SWT numbers like 67A, 67B, etc.Last time when most services used nac dds the side destos were green rite? I rmb seeing a pic on one website before a vo2x on 22 wif a green side desto . When did it change?
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Originally posted by Apex-LW'21:
Just wondering...
Did the newly bought Nissan Diesel U31RCN (I am referring to CSS178K - CSS211Y and TIB362M - TIB377X) used the rolling blue desto before switching to the EDS later on?does that mean that Nissan Diesel were the first buses to use EDS?
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Originally posted by SBS7382C:
Last time when most services used nac dds the side destos were green rite? I rmb seeing a pic on one website before a vo2x on 22 wif a green side desto . When did it change?
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Originally posted by SBS7382C:
does that mean that Nissan Diesel were the first buses to use EDS?
DAF Hispanos used EDS in 1990, the later part is the Nissan / O405s -
Originally posted by TIB930Z:
come were deployed on 700 , that's i'm aware of ... btw don't anti dennis lance (:
You mean the air-conditioned Hinos ran on route 700 before?
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Originally posted by eX.A.K.R.:
You mean the air-conditioned Hinos ran on route 700 before?
Not sure, but plausible.
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Originally posted by TIB930Z:
come were deployed on 700 , that's i'm aware of ... btw don't anti dennis lance (:
I think they ran around a lot of Kranji svcs including 852 that time after they left 950/951. They can go anywhere as long as they printed the blur destos for whatever services.
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Originally posted by SBS7382C:
does that mean that Nissan Diesel were the first buses to use EDS?
The first to use the current format and one-panel technology, yes.
The Hispano-bodied DAFs had seperated matrix panels of flip-dots for destination details and the route number; it was either something like:
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][] []*[]*[]*
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][]or
[]*[]*[]* [][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]* - double size panel
[] - normal size panel
The flip-dot display were non-refreshing (much like the ones used on the Malaysian Dennis Lances), and showed only two places - the destination, and a via point (very much like what the Scania K230UBs displayed when they first came out). The route number's position is also fixed to whichever side the double-size panels, which are used to display the route number, were located. As there were only three panels, the displays were incapable of displaying any route number that requires more than three characters, as well as limited route details. For example, it could possibly display something like 67W or 852, but not something like 859A.
I guess this was why then-TIBS sold many of them off and redeployed them to CSS in the late 1990s; then, buses had a 12- (or was it already extended to 15 then?) year lifespan; these buses were bought in 1990, which meant they only had a few years left then before expiring. Probably seeing how inflexible their displays were, and how it made more economic sense to just sell them off (since their replacements had came in by then) rather than retrofit them with the newer flip-dot displays, I guess TIBS decided to just sell them off. The transfers to CSS were probably because their CSS division needed some fleet expansion then, and the limited needs of CSS means that the Hispano-bodied DAF buses, with their limited flip-dot displays, could suffice.
If the Hispano-bodied DAFs were not prematurely sold off, they might still be on our roads today, though in their last throes though - assuming a 17-year lifespan with the extra two-year extension taken up, these buses could be on our roads until 2009, which is this year!
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Originally posted by AntiDennisLance:
I think they ran around a lot of Kranji svcs including 852 that time after they left 950/951. They can go anywhere as long as they printed the blur destos for whatever services.
I don't ever recall them on route 852, but I did remember the Hispano DAFs - I had my first Hispano DAF ride on that route sometime in 1996.
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Originally posted by AntiDennisLance:
Oh you are prolly referring to the Hino OAC's. They are not CAC's although their windows can be opened. They were bought new new around 1988 or 1989 uniquely and specially to create the old Service 950 from Woodlands to Shenton way. Later when the DAF, Nissan and Merc OAC's came these Hino's went out from 950/951 to other places. Rego's TIB380K to TIB389L. 10 units. I don't know which ones ever permed on 169 but even if they did, it would be for a short time.
As far as I know, those Hinos were not CAC but the Nissans were. This includes the Nissan U31RCN that are currently running on our roads.
Up until the mid or late 1990's at least, Japanese bus manufacturers often liked to fit such openable windows onto both air-conditioned and non air-conditioned buses. I have no idea why, but assuming the climate in Japan, I could guess they ran as air-conditioned buses in the summer and winter months (the latter using heaters, of course), and as non air-conditioned buses in spring and autumn.
In Singapore, I believe it's for economic reasons; by standardising as many parts between both the non air-conditioned and air-conditioned versions as possible, spares for both buses can be ordered in greater bulk, and hence more cheaply. Let's just imagine this scenario: if the air-conditioned versions came with glass screen windows, then specialised glass screen window spares had to be ordered for these buses; if their windows were ever broken, only these glass screen window spares can be used; having to specially order them in small quanities to maintain the relatively small fleet of these buses could had been relatively expensive. But since the air-conditioned versions used the same windows as the non air-conditioned ones, it doesn't matter if the non air-conditioned version's window is installed since they are practically using the same windows.
Of course, this is no longer an issue today since most buses running today are bought in only air-conditioned versions.
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Originally posted by Apex-LW'21:
the desto red/green background was used as a shortworking trips. Back then, they used this kind of desto with termination points, rather than using SWT numbers like 67A, 67B, etc.SWT bus stop plate also use this format then
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I even remember seeing LO2x on 74,154, 165 and 143
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Originally posted by off_service:
The TIB regos came with EDS. I think the CSS ones too, but were NAC. Anyone can confirm?
Yup, I think they were all with EDSes since new. Still can recall seeing those NAC Nissan U31 RCNs on CSS 5 (later rename 605) way back in 1994 during my secondary days. -
Originally posted by eX.A.K.R.:
I don't ever recall them on route 852, but I did remember the Hispano DAFs - I had my first Hispano DAF ride on that route sometime in 1996.
If I am not mistaken, the CAC Hinos did mainly on services 169, 178 and 181. Due to the fact that Tibs only made the plastic blue destos for some bus services only. Service 178 had some perms if I am not wrong, whereas service 169 and 181 were mainly cameos.For the CAC Nissan U31 SCNs (TIB311K - TIB317U, TIB390G which uses the roller destos), the above mentioned services as well as services 160, 852 and 925 also had deployments before. Remembered TIB311K and TIB315A perm service 160, TIB317U perm service 925 way back in 1996 until they were converted back to NAC.
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Originally posted by Rk 2010:
I even remember seeing LO2x on 74,154, 165 and 143
LO2x on service 74 and 165?? Or do you mean VO2x? -
Originally posted by Rk 2010:
I even remember seeing LO2x on 74,154, 165 and 143
Of all services, only 143 and 154 had LO2X before. In addition, 74 and 165 had O305s while 74 and 154 have VO2X (till now).
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Originally posted by SMB32T:
LO2x on service 74 and 165?? Or do you mean VO2x?
I ever saw LO2x on svc 74 too. i can tell the diff of these buses coz LO2x uses sq side desto whereas VO2x uses rectangular side desto.. -
Originally posted by off_service:
Of all services, only 143 and 154 had LO2X before. In addition, 74 and 165 had O305s while 74 and 154 have VO2X (till now).
only 74 still use VO2x, 154 no more already.. -
Originally posted by SMRT BUSES LuvER:
I ever saw LO2x on svc 74 too. i can tell the diff of these buses coz LO2x uses sq side desto whereas VO2x uses rectangular side desto..
That was when 74 was still operating from AMK int to Buona Vista Ter -
Just want to ask, did 960 start off with some DAF Hispanos and O405s when it was introduced in 1996? cos long time I recall some DAF Hispanos were seen doing 960 at start. (TIB41x or TIB42x)