SBS Transit orders 900 buses from Scania (Part 3)
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I find SBS8031J bus interior and seating layout very nice and most pleased with the WAB bus interior so far as compared to others. I'm longing for SBST to mass purchase MAN buses , better still with different exterior design and bodybuilder (not Gemilang anymore!)
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Originally posted by ^tamago^:
but at least they won't have to travel alone and wait for one another....while i agree with that, i feel there is still a need to have some trade-off between WAB space and normal pax space. two PIW spaces on the bus might be good for, say, two friends, both PIW, travelling together (im not saying two PIW strangers trying to get on the same WAB bus, just two friends together), which has a very low chance of occuring, but having two such PIW spaces will cause inconvenience to the majority of the other people. i believe the most fair way would be to have a few buses with 2 spaces and some with just 1, but with those with 1 space in a higher proportion, this will convenience both PIWs and normal pax alike.
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Originally posted by jayh272416:
while i agree with that, i feel there is still a need to have some trade-off between WAB space and normal pax space. two PIW spaces on the bus might be good for, say, two friends, both PIW, travelling together (im not saying two PIW strangers trying to get on the same WAB bus, just two friends together), which has a very low chance of occuring, but having two such PIW spaces will cause inconvenience to the majority of the other people. i believe the most fair way would be to have a few buses with 2 spaces and some with just 1, but with those with 1 space in a higher proportion, this will convenience both PIWs and normal pax alike.
agreed. after all usually if a PIW boards its PIW and a non PIW person who is a friend, relative etc.
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The MAN product can accomodate a more spacious interior layout without a step as high as the KUB or OC because of its smaller chassis footprint and the fact that the engine is only 7-litres.
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I'm quite concerned with 1 matter. Just imagine a KUB travelling @ 6+pm, peak hour packed to the door. Suddenly, not 1 but 2 PIW are waiting at an approved bus-stop to board that service. How to handle? Don't take the PIW and ask them to wait again?
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Originally posted by lifelikedrama:
I'm quite concerned with 1 matter. Just imagine a KUB travelling @ 6+pm, peak hour packed to the door. Suddenly, not 1 but 2 PIW are waiting at an approved bus-stop to board that service. How to handle? Don't take the PIW and ask them to wait again?
tat's why mths back ppl in ZB suggested for more ADDs (can learn KMB buy 10.6m ones) -
Originally posted by sbst275:
tat's why mths back ppl in ZB suggested for more ADDs (can learn KMB buy 10.6m ones)
erm wat's ADDs? -
Originally posted by lifelikedrama:
I'm quite concerned with 1 matter. Just imagine a KUB travelling @ 6+pm, peak hour packed to the door. Suddenly, not 1 but 2 PIW are waiting at an approved bus-stop to board that service. How to handle? Don't take the PIW and ask them to wait again?
chase normal pax out, cancel the ride but dun give complimentary ticket.
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Originally posted by TIB537B:
erm wat's ADDs?Aircon Double Deck. not plus
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Originally posted by jayh272416:
chase normal pax out, cancel the ride but dun give complimentary ticket.
definitely it would be very difficult for the BC to persuade people to get down the bus, especially everyone rushing home for dinner etc... I dare to say that I myself will have to consider the circumstance before i think whether to alight the bus to give way to the PIW. It's not the cost that matter coz I'm using BCP (not Bus Captian Pass
). But I want to say sth which is that I'm not disrespecting PIW or what... just that I might be in a rush of time. Don't forget, to allow PIW to enter the pass, the way from the rear exit to the PIW area has to be cleared. Maybe even 10 people have to exit. The BC will have a hard time. -
Originally posted by lifelikedrama:
definitely it would be very difficult for the BC to persuade people to get down the bus, especially everyone rushing home for dinner etc... I dare to say that I myself will have to consider the circumstance before i think whether to alight the bus to give way to the PIW. It's not the cost that matter coz I'm using BCP (not Bus Captian Pass
). But I want to say sth which is that I'm not
disrespecting PIW or what... just that I might be in a rush of
time. Don't forget, to allow PIW to enter the pass, the way from
the rear exit to the PIW area has to be cleared. Maybe even 10
people have to exit. The BC will have a hard time.for this scenario, it should be a law saying that if a PIW wants to get on a WAB bus on a WAB service, those nearest the exit door MUST get off to wait for alternative bus services and failure to do so will be a criminal offence. The pax will also not be at a disadvantage with his ride cancelled and a choice of alternative bus svcs (although does not apply to every situtation; for example single-service areas). This results in a win-win situation for everyone
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Originally posted by jayh272416:
for this scenario, it should be a law saying that if a PIW wants to get on a WAB bus on a WAB service, those nearest the exit door MUST get off to wait for alternative bus services and failure to do so will be a criminal offence. The pax will also not be at a disadvantage with his ride cancelled and a choice of alternative bus svcs (although does not apply to every situtation; for example single-service areas). This results in a win-win situation for everyone
no need to be so serious till need to call police ba dude. -
Originally posted by TIB537B:
no need to be so serious till need to call police ba dude.is there a choice?
of course this is also written out only bah, i dun think the police will have to be informed if this were to be made true. nobody will probably be so dumb as to rather get jailed than get off the bus right?
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Originally posted by jayh272416:
is there a choice?
of course this is also written out only bah, i dun think the police will have to be informed if this were to be made true. nobody will probably be so dumb as to rather get jailed than get off the bus right?
They might be of a disadvantage other than the example you stated. What about time spent on waiting the next bus?
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Originally posted by lifelikedrama:
They might be of a disadvantage other than the example you stated. What about time spent on waiting the next bus?
true, there is time spent, but overall it still enables the PIW to fit on. we can split up the group of people into individuals to board different buses; we cant do that with PIWs. thats why such a strict rule is necessary.
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Originally posted by jayh272416:
true, there is time spent, but overall it still enables the PIW to fit on. we can split up the group of people into individuals to board different buses; we cant do that with PIWs. thats why such a strict rule is necessary.
Despite a strict rule needed being a fact, there will still be people unwilling to co-operate, end up calling law-enforcers will waste everyone's time. I'm not saying your idea don't work but there are more things that have to be considered
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Originally posted by jayh272416:
for this scenario, it should be a law saying that if a PIW wants to get on a WAB bus on a WAB service, those nearest the exit door MUST get off to wait for alternative bus services and failure to do so will be a criminal offence. The pax will also not be at a disadvantage with his ride cancelled and a choice of alternative bus svcs (although does not apply to every situtation; for example single-service areas). This results in a win-win situation for everyone
I don't see the logic here. If the bus is already full, it's full. Even if the passenger is not PIW, he cannot board simply because he cannot squeeze in. Our buses are always on a first-come, first-served basis.
Most passengers fill up the area before the steps leading to the rear, while the rear is practically empty. If the bus is full because of this, then maybe BC can go to exit door and persuade people to move in before letting the PIW in.
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Originally posted by lifelikedrama:
Despite a strict rule needed being a fact, there will still be people unwilling to co-operate, end up calling law-enforcers will waste everyone's time. I'm not saying your idea don't work but there are more things that have to be considered
will they dare to not cooperate?
would they rather sacrifice 15 mins or their future.
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Originally posted by jayh272416:
will they dare to not cooperate?
would they rather sacrifice 15 mins or their future.
A law fyi, is not set so easily. There's no law in Singapore that is bias towards a particular group of people althought there are disputes on certain laws. We should inculcate ethics, not force law... but it just seems like it is something impossible...
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Originally posted by Scania N113CRB l0v3r:
Ur award is giving all the dreaming of ur "redeployment" on KUBs perm 292..... at least u know 2yrs time...nope.....nothing abt KUBs seriously.
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If really want to test ideas, maybe try install foldable seats at the PIW area sideways. Reserved for the elderly, pregnant women and kids. If PIW boards, then elderly/pregnant women/kids have to give it up for PIW space. In turn, any normal passenger on the left side would give up his priority seat to the "displaced" elderly/pregnant women/kids.
PIW > elderly/pregnant women/kids > normal passenger. However society may not be gracious enough for that to be a reality.
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"If PIW boards, then elderly/pregnant women/kids have to give it up for PIW space"
and u expect people with leg pains to stand?
ZYX
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my perfect WAB bus
1) zero step to the rear
2) vertically placed air pressure and air systems at front. ave space but higher obstructions in front. . adding approx 4 seats on both sides.
3) PIW area shifted to left hand side. Standing area also on left area near to the door. (approx 4 seats added on other side). one PIW area with safety belt.
4) Sturdy seperation panel between backward facing seat on doorside. Seperate sitting pax and the PIW area.5) 3 fold up seats at PIW area.
If use Gemilang seating plan thats 29 add 8. 37 seating with 3 fold up for a total of 40 seating. close to the normal 42 seater coaches.6) use of above held plug door instead of bus height running pole to hold plug door. essentially this trasnforms the plug door into an air tight seal lug door, preserving air-con also. (For example check Citaro or ALD Enviro 200 dart doors)
7) with zero step all the way means bus will need to use a vertically placed engine. either to left of bus or right. this means losing one or two rear seats . man lion's City got zero step all the way version anot?
8) better placed wheelchair bell in a slight groove on a holding pole at standee area acustomed to PIW height. so that no one else cna touch the bell. b9TL wheelchair bell is an good exmaple.
ZYX
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My idea
I try to conform to the Gemaling bodywork as much as possible
One PIW seat remains, the other change into 4 seats, squeeze one more row (4 seats) at the back part like OC500LE, change the piority seats to foward direction, thus 31 + 8 =39 seats...lance style.....can liao
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Originally posted by ZYX2005:
7) with zero step all the way means bus will need to use a vertically placed engine. either to left of bus or right. this means losing one or two rear seats . man lion's City got zero step all the way version anot?
your calculations have a bit of a flaw. Having a vertically placed engine, even though it may lose one or two rear seats, however being totally flat there is an added advantage of flexibility of adding maybe one more row, meaning there can be 4 extra seats in trade-off for the 1 or 2 lost, so the net change is still +2 or +3