Accident and Breakdown Thread 2009
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Originally posted by Airbus330Captain:
You don't get the point do you? I will not repeat myself anymore. You guys seriously need a reflection on yourself. This includes you Frederyk. I know as I had been observing all this while.I do get the point. I know there is self-reflection to be done and that is why I am trying to avoid getting into flame wars and stuff. I have no reason whatsoever to doubt TTS(I knew he was in CGA anyway coz I contacted him). I do not go to the extent of flaming others already.
But you shouldn't have put it in such a tone... I don't hate TTS. But that doesn't mean I condone the flaming towards him. I just avoid it from now on. Please edit your comment. The first one. It is derogatory.
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please wear comfortably when taking pictures under the hot sun.
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Originally posted by sinicker:
the word 'fuselage' is only to be used with regards to airplanes.
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Originally posted by Airbus330Captain:
Yes, I have given him a good talking and of course I also like to see him change but please this is a Singapore bus forum, not a bashing forum. Remember these words, make peace no war.
Heard of the yellow ribbon? Just remember, a person cannot change overnight. Give him some time to change, ok?
Just please, don't ruin this forum. Let's make this an enjoyable forum for all.
Thank you
Charles
ok get back to topic, btw as what u have saw earlier how bad the bus condition is??
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Originally posted by tintinspartan:
SBS8194M
CGA Terminal 1
Sv 27
19:00
Accident involving bus and T1 security barrier hump
Bus was rear ended by T1 security barrier hump after security check
Rear bumper teared off.
Bus taken out of service
Erm TTS were you on 8194M? If you were on the bus behind it, can explain more on how bus was taken out of service? Did a tow truck come? If so then T2 has to be passed before buses can exit from CGA from T1. T2 also has the stupidly high barrier thing. Did it go thru there too?
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Originally posted by Fryderyk HPH:
Erm TTS were you on 8194M? If you were on the bus behind it, can explain more on how bus was taken out of service? Did a tow truck come? If so then T2 has to be passed before buses can exit from CGA from T1. T2 also has the stupidly high barrier thing. Did it go thru there too?
I dun think a tow truck is needed as it only had rear bumper gone case.The BC would just off service the bus back to depot for further instruction. -
Fryderyk: I have my own reasons what I have done. It's not about you, it's about the whole forum. This is all I have to say. Further discussion, please pm me.
Back to the topic
We didn't see what actually happened but the bus was parking along the side with the bumper on the ground exposing the exhaust pipe. Bus parked just after the security barrier before entering T1. I believed the lever of the barrier could had been accidentally raised before the bus could have completely passed the barrier thus damaged the bumper.
While our bus 36 was waiting at T3, we saw 8194 off service desto with the bumper loosely attached driving slowly to the svc 27 terminal 3 parking lot and parked there for more than 15 minutes.
Charles
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if thats the case, i think that the other bus behind will be jammed for awhile since the hump only allows 1 vehicle to access through it.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
I dun think a tow truck is needed as it only had rear bumper gone case.The BC would just off service the bus back to depot for further instruction.Rear bumper gone case as in drop off?! Or scratch badly. Or?
IMHO only one barrier of that sort should be used. The T3 one. Buses and trucks(for some thing or another) can go thru T3 and have a thru-way to its Terminal, be it T1/2/3. Having barriers at every terminal wastes time, manpower, energy and most of of, money.
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Originally posted by Fryderyk HPH:
Rear bumper gone case as in drop off?! Or scratch badly. Or?
IMHO only one barrier of that sort should be used. The T3 one. Buses and trucks(for some thing or another) can go thru T3 and have a thru-way to its Terminal, be it T1/2/3. Having barriers at every terminal wastes time, manpower, energy and most of of, money.
There is no choice as this is part of security regulations. All this started since 911.
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Originally posted by Airbus330Captain:
Fryderyk: I have my own reasons what I have done. It's not about you, it's about the whole forum. This is all I have to say. Further discussion, please pm me.
Back to the topic
We didn't see what actually happened but the bus was parking along the side with the bumper on the ground exposing the exhaust pipe. Bus parked just after the security barrier before entering T1. I believed the lever of the barrier could had been accidentally raised before the bus could have completely passed the barrier thus damaged the bumper.
While our bus 36 was waiting at T3, we saw 8194 off service desto with the bumper loosely attached driving slowly to the svc 27 terminal 3 parking lot and parked there for more than 15 minutes.
Charles
Bumper loosely attached? O.o that is a big problem. I tot the Batch IIs had a special thing under the bodywork to prevent bumpers from being cui...
Quote: "Bus parked just after the security barrier before entering T1. I believed the lever of the barrier could had been accidentally raised before the bus could have completely passed the barrier thus damaged the bumper. ":End Quote
If that is so then it is the AETOS/CAAS fault that their people did not do a good job. Bus parked just after the security barrier before entering T1. I believe you mean that before the bend rite? The width of the road there is quite wide so your bus "overtook" the 8194? If so my own prediction that T1 basement(the road) can safely take 2 buses side-by-side is true...
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Originally posted by Airbus330Captain:
There is no choice as this is part of security regulations. All this started since 911.
I know. But I believe if CAAS routed all traffic one-way(that means w/o traffic like goods vehicles coming in at T1/2) and go thru one designated check(T3) and seal off the road between T3 and T1, then T1 and T2, then that area would be considered safe already.
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Originally posted by Airbus330Captain:
Yes, I have given him a good talking and of course I also like to see him change but please this is a Singapore bus forum, not a bashing forum. Remember these words, make peace no war.
Heard of the yellow ribbon? Just remember, a person cannot change overnight. Give him some time to change, ok?
Just please, don't ruin this forum. Let's make this an enjoyable forum for all.
Thank you
Charles
I think what these people want to see is at least a wee bit of effort put in. Not saying one thing but doing the other, which I think most of us has observed it happening recursively.
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I happen to be onboard SBS8194Y to Changi Airport Terminal 1 to send my friend off. Took it from Tampines. This is my account of the actual incident.
I was sitting at the 2nd last row of seats on the bus. After the usual security check involving the Certis Cisco Auxiliary Policemen coming onboard to check the bus for any unattended or suspicious luggage, the security barrier on the ground was lowered and the bus proceeded forward slowly.
The front of the bus cleared without any problem and after the back wheel went over the lowered barrier, there was a loud and sickening bump at the back of the bus and it felt like the back of the bus had hit the ground similar to cars hitting their back bumper on steep humps. The passengers including the driver were shocked at the loud noise. The PRC driver then parked the bus at one side to allow the buses behind through and went to the back to inspect the damage. The passengers onboard were all looking at one another not knowing what actually happened. The bus driver came back after 2-3 minutes or so and he carried some metal debris onto the bus. The Indian Certis Cisco guard was telling the driver to park the bus at the basement so as not to block the other buses behind but the driver could not understand English and he was unwilling to do so saying in Mandarin that the back bumper had already came off how was he to drive to the basement. The passengers and I helped to translate to the driver what the guard was saying and vice versa but the driver did not want to move for fear of damaging the bus further. He then merely parked the bus at one side just after the barrier to let the buses behind go through. I asked the driver what has actually happened and he replied that the Certis Cisco guards had actually press the button to raise the barrier before the whole bus had actually cleared it. Human error on the Certis Cisco Guards lead to this incident happening and I finally found out the source of the loud bump.
After 5 minutes or so with the bus driver refusing to drive the bus down to the Terminal 1 basement, some frustrated passengers then began alighting to walk down to the terminal basement themselves. Another Service 27 (SBS8195U) came along with another PRC driver. Our driver then flagged and stopped 8195 and we were then asked to transfer onto 8195. We then tap out on 8194 and got on 8195 without tapping. No breakdown tickets were issued as it was still chaotic then. The driver of 8194 was telling the driver of 8195 what happen and the driver of 8195 was saying this happened few times already as the Cisco Guards were too quick to raise the barrier but luckily save for scratches on the undercarriage, there were no serious damages to the buses then.
8195 then moved off after all passengers had boarded and when I left, the 8194 driver was still arguing with the Certis Cisco guards. The 8195 driver then told me he was supposed to be behind 8194 by 11 mins but now he has to rush given Service 27's high passenger loadings and he will have to forgo his break at Terminal 2. Didn't have time to take pictures as everything happened so fast but luckily I paid cash so got ticket as picture. Anyone knows how much does it costs to replace the back bumper for the K230UB?
Picture of ticket:
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Originally posted by SBS8032G:
I was onboard SBS8194Y to Changi Airport Terminal 1. This is my account of the actual incident.
I was sitting at the 2nd last seat on the bus. After the usual security check involving the Certis Cisco Auxiliary Policemen coming onboard to check the bus for any unattended or suspicious luggage, the security barrier on the ground was lowered and the bus proceeded slowly forward.
The front cleared without any problem and after the back wheel went over the lowered barrier, there was a loud bump at the back of the bus and it felt like the back of the bus had hit the floor. The passengers including the driver were shocked. The PRC driver then parked the bus at one side to allow the buses behind through and went to the back to inspect the damage. The passengers onboard were all looking at one another not knowing what actually happened. The bus driver came back after 2-3 minutes or so and he carried some metal debris onto the bus. The Indian Certis Cisco guard was telling the PRC driver to park the bus at the basement so as not to block the other buses behind but the driver could not understand English and he was unwilling to do so saying in Mandarin that the back bumper had already came off how was he to driver to the basement. The passengers and I helped to translate to the driver what the guard was saying and vice versa but the driver did not want to move for fear of damaging the bus further. He then merely parked the bus at one side just after the barrier to let the behind buses through. I asked the driver what has happened and he replied that the Certis Cisco guards had actually press the button to raise the barrier before the whole bus had actually cleared it.
After 5 minutes or so, some frustrated passengers began alighting to walk down to the terminal basement themselves when SBS8195U came along with another PRC driver. Our driver then stopped 8195 and we were then transferred onto 8195. The driver of 8194 was telling the driver of 8195 what happened and the driver of 8195 was saying this happened few times already as the Cisco Guards were to quick to raise the barrier but luckily save for scratches on the undercarriage, there were no serious damages to the buses.
8195 then moved off after all passengers had boarded and when I left, the 8194 driver was still arguing with the guards. The 8195 driver then told me he was supposed to be behind 8194 by 11 mins but now he has to rush given Service 27's high passenger loading and he will have to forgo his break at Terminal 2. Didn't have time to take pictures as everything happened so fast.
I see... Thanks for the info, it cleared a lot of queries... IMHO these Certis Cisco/AETOS pple should do their job better. Ruining another company's fleet of buses(especially new ones) is not good... Wonder whether SBST would send the maintanence bill to CAAS/AETOS/Certis Cisco...
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Originally posted by Fryderyk HPH:
I see... Thanks for the info, it cleared a lot of queries... IMHO these Certis Cisco/AETOS pple should do their job better. Ruining another company's fleet of buses(especially new ones) is not good... Wonder whether SBST would send the maintanence bill to CAAS/AETOS/Certis Cisco...
Heads may roll. Who knows CAAS may also send the bill to repair the barrier to Certis Cisco.. From what I saw the Certis Cisco policemen were like rather slack as in they both were laughing and chatting and not treating their jobs seriously.
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Originally posted by SBS8032G:
Heads may roll. Who knows CAAS may also send the bill to repair the barrier to Certis Cisco.. From what I saw the Certis Cisco policemen were like rather slack as in they both were laughing and chatting and not treating their jobs seriously.
Theres one time I took 27, to CGA, there were some maintenance work going on for the barrier, and buses had to use another lane beside it before going to CGA. Maybe a same incident happen before? I'm not sure. -
Originally posted by SBS8032G:
Heads may roll. Who knows CAAS may also send the bill to repair the barrier to Certis Cisco.. From what I saw the Certis Cisco policemen were like rather slack as in they both were laughing and chatting and not treating their jobs seriously.
Always like that one~... Especially when you outsource this kinda work, the people doing it have no job security(as their contract might be terminated anytime) and they just do the very least... I have seen my fair share of these "security guards" not doing their job(like not thoroughly inspecting the bus, just plainly walking up and down and sometimes not even using the "mirror" to check the undercarriage of the bus).
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I think it is lucky the barrier only rip off the bumper. Anyone who has seen videos of vehicles crashing into or hit bottom up by these barriers, scary.
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Originally posted by off_service:
I think it is lucky the barrier only rip off the bumper. Anyone who has seen videos of vehicles crashing into or hit bottom up by these barriers, scary.
It didn't just rip off a bumper of any other bus. It ripped off a bumper from the KUB. Isn't the bumper so-called "fused" into the KUB's bodywork? If so how are the mechanics going to fix it?
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Originally posted by Fryderyk HPH:
It didn't just rip off a bumper of any other bus. It ripped off a bumper from the KUB. Isn't the bumper so-called "fused" into the KUB's bodywork? If so how are the mechanics going to fix it?
Yah. Somemore, if the barrier happen to shift up half-way when KUB is passing, the KUB sure kenna serious chassis damage liao. This one more worst than SBS8074K. -
KUB bumper is not fused... Its the same way as a normal bumper, can be removed by pulling it out. Same goes to the OC bumpers, although they look flushed into the bodywork, they actually can be pulled out quite easily to facilitate access and repair.
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TIB 1021R on Sv854 engine caught fire near the junction of Jln Eunos & PIE towards Bedok somewhere around 2.30pm. Damage not very serious though, only the rear went black. SCDF + SPF + SMRT vehicles were on site. Very heavy jam along the road though.
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Originally posted by Oceane:
TIB 1021R on Sv854 engine caught fire near the junction of Jln Eunos & PIE towards Bedok somewhere around 2.30pm. Damage not very serious though, only the rear went black. SCDF + SPF + SMRT vehicles were on site. Very heavy jam along the road though.
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Originally posted by ^tamago^:
Whoa, the rear carriage a write-off presumably?