Redeployments (Part 8)
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Originally posted by TIB537B:
Although the B10TLs and Tridents in Hong Kong are wheelchair accessible, at that period of time, Singapore's B10TLs and Tridents are only configured as low-floor easy accessibility buses like the B10BLEs and L94UB as part of the modernisation of its fleet in 2000-2004. To install a wheelchair accessible ramp to current low-floor buses is probably not as simple as you think. From my observations the ramp is integrated with the bodywork of the bus before it goes into service. To install a ramp means to modify the exit heavily, add the manual ramp and hope that the modification does not break. I also had thought about why SBST had not thought about converting all their low-floor buses to WAB too.
what i believe is that it is possible to convert. although the cost would certainly put sbst off. -
Originally posted by jayh272416:
what i believe is that it is possible to convert. although the cost would certainly put sbst off.
But even so, im not sure if LTA allows such modifications. -
Originally posted by .SBS9888Y.:
thank you for your rudeness. i aplogise for misreading. converting a non wab to wab still requires purchase. you said no need to buy anything. there needs to be changes in the interior. its not as easy as put a wheel chair backrest dump a ramp, remove railings and install railings. there needs to be inspection on changes made to the bodywork interior itself. bef this can happen and again it isnt like you wanna do you can do, you still have to wait for lta approval and safety must be upon installing such functions and such things dun come easy.
it is easy to talk. i can say cng also should convert so easy. dump a backrest remove the railing at the exit door and dump a ramp. if its so easy, sbst would have installed it? O.o
Apologize if i sound rude. Do not mean to...
When i mean need not buy anything, i was referring to new buses. the B10s n DTs are already configured for WAB[if i m nt wrong they are from HK batch] SBST has just changed the seating arrangement of the DTs/B10s... the wheelchair portion for HK buses are behind the left front wheel.
You are right about the inspection and installation of railings but SBST should highlight to MOT to claim for refurbishment costs as the buses still have quite a long lifespan. -
i think it would be nice to use 9889 to study on wab conversion. and then after that put on wab svc like 143
i was just kidding on the last sentence (:
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Originally posted by TIB537B:
Although the B10TLs and Tridents in Hong Kong are wheelchair accessible, at that period of time, Singapore's B10TLs and Tridents are only configured as low-floor easy accessibility buses like the B10BLEs and L94UB as part of the modernisation of its fleet in 2000-2004. To install a wheelchair accessible ramp to current low-floor buses is probably not as simple as you think. From my observations the ramp is integrated with the bodywork of the bus before it goes into service. To install a ramp means to modify the exit heavily, add the manual ramp and hope that the modification does not break. I also had thought about why SBST had not thought about converting all their low-floor buses to WAB too.
The ramp ought to be a thought of prior to assembly. Is there any wiring etc beneath the exit part for those low floors like Vso? If it's distorting the connection of functional parts and whatnot by fitting the ramp it aint feasible.Sorry I'm not so learned on the technicals so pardon my asking.
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Originally posted by Acx1688:
Apologize if i sound rude. Do not mean to...
When i mean need not buy anything, i was referring to new buses. the B10s n DTs are already configured for WAB[if i m nt wrong they are from HK batch] SBST has just changed the seating arrangement of the DTs/B10s... the wheelchair portion for HK buses are behind the left front wheel.
You are right about the inspection and installation of railings but SBST should highlight to MOT to claim for refurbishment costs as the buses still have quite a long lifespan.i see. i hope that if they would want to do smth like that, that they first try it out and once the necessaries are solved that they should begin installing immediately and not procrastinate further so as to fully utilize the bus.
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Originally posted by Spanish hog:
The ramp ought to be a thought of prior to assembly. Is there any wiring etc beneath the exit part for those low floors like Vso? If it's distorting the connection of functional parts and whatnot by fitting the ramp it aint feasible.Sorry I'm not so learned on the technicals so pardon my asking.
the wiring is mainly done via ceiling and poles for safety reasons. the floor can get quite hot at times.
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Originally posted by .SBS9888Y.:
i think it would be nice to use 9889 to study on wab conversion. and then after that put on wab svc like 143
i was just kidding on the last sentence (
Bro, 9889 if i m nt wrong is a bus that is low floor but not put to full use...
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Originally posted by Acx1688:
Bro, 9889 if i m nt wrong is a bus that is low floor but not put to full use...
That bus can't really be put into full use due to technical difficulties. -
Originally posted by .SBS9888Y.:
then why is there no progress? simply because the lowfloor designs are of the earlier phase when wab wasnt a factor in the designs. converting them needs alittle study first
There are B10TL on Volgren CR223LD which are WAB in Hong Kong, and entered service earlier than the bulk of the SBS Transit's B10TLs.
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Originally posted by Acx1688:
Apologize if i sound rude. Do not mean to...
When i mean need not buy anything, i was referring to new buses. the B10s n DTs are already configured for WAB[if i m nt wrong they are from HK batch] SBST has just changed the seating arrangement of the DTs/B10s... the wheelchair portion for HK buses are behind the left front wheel.
You are right about the inspection and installation of railings but SBST should highlight to MOT to claim for refurbishment costs as the buses still have quite a long lifespan.Originally posted by sgbuses
There are B10TL on Volgren CR223LD which are WAB in Hong Kong, and entered service earlier than SBS Transit's B10TLs.
Refer to my post in the previous page about SBST buying these low-floor buses as only low floor easy accessibility buses.But to convert about say, 70 buses [Dennis Trident - 20 Buses, VSO, 50 buses excluding 9889U) vs they bringing in close to 1100 WAB buses [delieveries for K230UB Euro V ongoing] already, not much point for them to convert the 70 buses also.......More likely when the LO goes off there'll be new WAB demos or something.
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Actually, SBST should consider arranging the ramp so that PIW can board from the front.
Most HK KMB buses WABs are boarded from the entrance NT the exit
Same for the latest Scania K310UD and the Dennis Enviro500 from NWFB
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Originally posted by TIB537B:
Refer to my post in the previous page about SBST buying these low-floor buses as only low floor easy accessibility buses.But to convert about say, 70 buses [Dennis Trident - 20 Buses, VSO, 50 buses excluding 9889U) vs they bringing in close to 1100 WAB buses [delieveries for K230UB Euro V ongoing] already, not much point for them to convert the 70 buses also.......More likely when the LO goes off there'll be new WAB demos or something.
They won't convert now because there isn't much incentive to do so yet. WAB is still a rather new concept as AC was in the 90s.
Maybe they would if they can announce to the world earlier that their whole fleet is 100% WAB (like how TIBS did with their ELBOs to say they are 100% AC), or MOT/LTA actually mandates all buses to be wheelchair-compliant by a target date (or face early retirement), whichever comes first. That would probably come in a decade's time.
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Originally posted by TIB537B:
Refer to my post in the previous page about SBST buying these low-floor buses as only low floor easy accessibility buses.But to convert about say, 70 buses [Dennis Trident - 20 Buses, VSO, 50 buses excluding 9889U) vs they bringing in close to 1100 WAB buses [delieveries for K230UB Euro V ongoing] already, not much point for them to convert the 70 buses also.......More likely when the LO goes off there'll be new WAB demos or something.
When SBST bought the Hk rejected buses, MOT has not stated a regulation for WABs to be prevalent even though its common overseas.
Let me highlight to all. i been to New York, taken their buses to get around.
Their buses have steps but its still WAB because the steps are straightened with the touch of a button and can be lowered down to kerb level to allow the wheelchair to be lifted up with the use of hydraulics. The BC will just wheel the PIW to the window seat.
the steps in New York Metro buses are as high as that of our OLD merc Albion buses -
Further to add, this "additional" topic arose coz SBST stripped some sv12 of its WAB ADD buses with WSD... if SBST would just juggle their ADDs to sv12 its ok but they are not doing tt, there are adding buses to increase frequency but improving capacity.
For viewing pleasure, you can check out sv12 in the mornings with School Children with their heavy bags standing to school when previously they have a seat and is able to rest... -
Originally posted by sgbuses:
They won't convert now because there isn't much incentive to do so yet. WAB is still a rather new concept as AC was in the 90s.
Maybe they would if they can announce to the world earlier that their whole fleet is 100% WAB (like how TIBS did with their ELBOs to say they are 100% AC), or MOT/LTA actually mandates all buses to be wheelchair-compliant by a target date (or face early retirement), whichever comes first. That would probably come in a decade's time.
Installing A/C is simpler than installing a wheelchair accessible ramp on an existing bodywork.
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Originally posted by Acx1688:
When SBST bought the Hk rejected buses, MOT has not stated a regulation for WABs to be prevalent even though its common overseas.
Let me highlight to all. i been to New York, taken their buses to get around.
Their buses have steps but its still WAB because the steps are straightened with the touch of a button and can be lowered down to kerb level to allow the wheelchair to be lifted up with the use of hydraulics. The BC will just wheel the PIW to the window seat.
the steps in New York Metro buses are as high as that of our OLD merc Albion buses
Yes, i've also seen a video of it. The config of SG and American buses are different. -
Originally posted by Acx1688:
Further to add, this "additional" topic arose coz SBST stripped some sv12 of its WAB ADD buses with WSD... if SBST would just juggle their ADDs to sv12 its ok but they are not doing tt, there are adding buses to increase frequency but improving capacity.
For viewing pleasure, you can check out sv12 in the mornings with School Children with their heavy bags standing to school when previously they have a seat and is able to rest...If having SD WABs to replace DDs is already such a problem, then SMRT Buses is probably going to face a crisis in a decade's time...!*
* LTA's no new bendies rule. (Addeum)
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Just look at sv851 n you get the drift...
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Originally posted by sgbuses:
If having SD WABs to replace DDs is already such a problem, then SMRT Buses is probably going to face a crisis in a decade's time...!
not so. Before the LO goes maybe SBST will have another 1 or 2 WAB DD demos.SMRT is not going to face a crisis in a decade's time as by then the at least 1/5 of the bus fleet should have been replaced. Anyway...redeployments becoming discussion for WAB for 70 SBST buses.....lol
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Originally posted by TIB537B:
not so. Before the LO goes maybe SBST will have another 1 or 2 WAB DD demos.SMRT is not going to face a crisis in a decade's time as by then the at least 1/5 of the bus fleet should have been replaced. Anyway...redeployments becoming discussion for WAB for 70 SBST buses.....lol
Deviation due to some sv12 B9s goin SP status!
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Originally posted by sgbuses:
There are B10TL on Volgren CR223LD which are WAB in Hong Kong, and entered service earlier than the bulk of the SBS Transit's B10TLs.
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Originally posted by .SBS9888Y.:
you see the variant HK purchased is WAB-proof.
And i've stated this recurring point - as mentioned by sgbuses, WAB is still a rather new concept.That was why then-SBS purchased the 50 units of VSO and 20 units of Dennis Trident without WAB, instead using them as low-floor easy accessibility buses.
@Acx1688 -
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Originally posted by .SBS9888Y.:
you see the variant HK purchased is WAB-proof.huh?! dun understand, can rephrase?
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Originally posted by TIB537B:
not so. Before the LO goes maybe SBST will have another 1 or 2 WAB DD demos.SMRT is not going to face a crisis in a decade's time as by then the at least 1/5 of the bus fleet should have been replaced. Anyway...redeployments becoming discussion for WAB for 70 SBST buses.....lol
i dun really think sbst is going to buy DD. SD is more effectively and easy to deploy.