Pros & cons of having AM peak x-over service
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Hope can share the pros & cons of having AM peak x-over service.
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There are not much, but most likely due to these:
1)Short of buses
2) Too many ppl from neighbourhoods
3)Waste of fuel while crossovering to premium svcs if there are no ppl on bus. -
Pros: Bring down frequency
Cons: There will be fleet reduction of tat service which do x-over to another service.
Fer eg.
SLBP 143/ 93 x-over
93 gains from it.
But 143 loss from it.
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Originally posted by SBS9364S:
Pros: Bring down frequency
Cons: There will be fleet reduction of tat service which do x-over to another service.
Fer eg.
SLBP 143/ 93 x-over
93 gains from it.
But 143 loss from it.
143 won't lose. 93 will lose.
Basically 143/93* will not bring any good already, as 93 does not have a very good frequency. By crossing over, it will bring 143's frequency higher. And somemore 143 has much more buses than svc 93, and journey is about e same.
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Originally posted by SBS8033D:
There are not much, but most likely due to these:
1)Short of buses
2) Too many ppl from neighbourhoods
3)Waste of fuel while crossovering to premium svcs if there are no ppl on bus.
1) certain svcs have very huge contrast between peak & non-peak ridership, and crossing from a service with spare capacity helps. of cos we could always add more and more S shifts, but will resources be optimal in this manner? no.
and there is peak within peak. school, camp & feeder services get more ridership before 7.30am, while city-bound services get more ridership after 7.30am. for this reason exists crossovers like 158/100 and 94/63A.
3) certainly the premium fare revenue must defray this extra cost of dead mileage.... even a basic service on its own has dead mileage. but there is a reason why buses are allowed to supplement premium services only in the morning peak and not the evening peak. -
it's a case of 93 will be much better off, while 143 has enough buses to cope.
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caaught you red handed again!eating snake!
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Originally posted by ^tamago^:
it’s a case of 93 will be much better off, while 143 has enough buses to cope.
Agreed. 143 have enough S shift buses (6) 2 replace the 143/ 93* buses. Whereas, all 14 93 perm buses do Full-day shift. Somemore, 14 buses cannot cope during AM peak time. So, 143/ 93 buses will do supplement trips on 93 to cut down frequency.How about 243/199/198?
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Originally posted by SBS9364S:
Agreed. 143 have enough S shift buses (6) 2 replace the 143/ 93* buses. Whereas, all 14 93 perm buses do Full-day shift. Somemore, 14 buses cannot cope during AM peak time. So, 143/ 93 buses will do supplement trips on 93 to cut down frequency.How about 243/199/198?
You lack the concept of basic demand and supply. If i'm not wrong you were the one who propose the 241/99 AM Peak xover for whatever reason you deem fit.243 199 on its own can simply illustrate everything. These 2 services have buses from each service crossing over to each other. I think I should give you some questions so that you can understand it better.
1. Where do 243 199 operate from? Which part of Singapore is this?
2. With reference to previous question, do you think people who work in other parts of Singapore had to get up earlier in order to reach office on time? If no, why?
3. Where does 199 serve? Does it have a niche market to cater to? If no, explain.
4. With reference to Q3, do you think putting more buses on it before 0800hrs do any good to the service? Why?
5. Do you think we should simply eliminate crossover services and just plant them as split shifts that stay on their own service? Explain.If you can answer all 5 questions correctly, then this thread would not be created.
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Originally posted by SBS9364S:
Agreed. 143 have enough S shift buses (6) to replace the 143/ 93* buses. Whereas, all 14 93 perm buses do Full-day shift. Somemore, 14 buses cannot cope during AM peak time. So, 143/ 93 buses will do supplement trips on 93 to cut down frequency.How about 243/199/198?
Are you sure Service 93 has no S shift buses of its own?
243/198 is done by adding 2 buses to parent sv243 and making a supp trip on sv198 during morning peak. that's all. -
Originally posted by brainerror:
caaught you red handed again!eating snake!
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can i play? lol
1. Where do 243 199 operate from? Which part of Singapore is this?
>>deep west Boon lay. Jurong West N8 9 and 7 vs NTU/NIE.
2. With reference to previous question, do you think people who work in other parts of Singapore had to get up earlier in order to reach office on time? If no, why?>> yes. jams still occur. if i stay in BPJ and work in JRE i will still wake up earlier due to jam at Jurong Ttown hall rd or BBt Pnajang rd.
3. Where does 199 serve? Does it have a niche market to cater to? If no, explain.>> it has niche market. NTU/NNIE student repporting to school.
4. With reference to Q3, do you think putting more buses on it before 0800hrs do any good to the service? Why?>> Will be good so as to cater to the crowd.
5. Do you think we should simply eliminate crossover services and just plant them as split shifts that stay on their own service? Explain.>> Crossovers are Euroepan style. i like.
>> You cna plant split shift on their own service yes but if the demand loads on 243 after 8am means it no need the bbus to work on 243 already why not bring the bus over to 199 to cater the THE SHIFT IN DEMAND CROWD.?- manny crossovers are designed to move with the crowd demand. For example from town to JRE crowds are on services like 105. Crowds come home oso cna take MRT. . Say, after work i take MRT to JRE from raffles Place. ists train at 545pm. . i alight say around 630pm. My demand now shift to my feeder service like 334. Thats where the 105/334 gassy crossover comes in to meet my shift in demand. hence i coin the term - demand moveing crossover. Crossovers that move in tandem with crowd demands.
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Originally posted by service_238:
You lack the concept of basic demand and supply. If i'm not wrong you were the one who propose the 241/99 AM Peak xover for whatever reason you deem fit.243 199 on its own can simply illustrate everything. These 2 services have buses from each service crossing over to each other. I think I should give you some questions so that you can understand it better.
1. Where do 243 199 operate from? Which part of Singapore is this?
2. With reference to previous question, do you think people who work in other parts of Singapore had to get up earlier in order to reach office on time? If no, why?
3. Where does 199 serve? Does it have a niche market to cater to? If no, explain.
4. With reference to Q3, do you think putting more buses on it before 0800hrs do any good to the service? Why?
5. Do you think we should simply eliminate crossover services and just plant them as split shifts that stay on their own service? Explain.If you can answer all 5 questions correctly, then this thread would not be created.
Okay, I will reply ur question:1. 243- BNL to JW N7 (wit both plates) 199- BNL to NTU. West side (Near Tuas)
2. Yes. If their work starts at around 8am, they should wake up early in order not to be late sue to traffic jam.
3. NIE, part of NTU (Most of NTU are supplied by old 199 routes- currently 179). Not really. It is because 199 covers minority of NTU route.
4. Yes. People who need to go work no need to wait longer for a bus.
5. No. Currently, there are lacking of drivers. So, SBST wants some of BC 2 familarise with 2 routes. 1 pro
Btw, thanks 4 ur concern.
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Originally posted by ^tamago^:
Are you sure Service 93 has no S shift buses of its own?
243/198 is done by adding 2 buses to parent sv243 and making a supp trip on sv198 during morning peak. that's all.
These 2 243/ 198 buses replace 2 KUB perms (SBS8043Y & SBS8044A) which r doing 198/272 x-over. Coz 198 BCs oso know how to drive 272 route. -
Originally posted by SBS9364S:
These 2 243/ 198 buses replace 2 KUB perms (SBS8043Y & SBS8044A) which r doing 198/272 & 198/ 273 x-overs respectively. Coz 198 BCs oso know how to drive 272 & 273 routes.
i thought both x to 272? -
i think pm peak is harder to allocate xover due to regular duties requiring mealbreak at that point of time.
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143's demand is heaviest at 5pm-8pm.
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Originally posted by .SBS9888Y.:
143's demand is heaviest at 5pm-8pm.
i agree.I always hate to take 143 during Evening peak hours.I will end up taking 56 or 57
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Originally posted by sbs8104h:
i agree.I always hate to take 143 during Evening peak hours.I will end up taking 56 or 57
Coz of veri pack? -
Originally posted by SBS9364S:
Coz of veri pack?what does it look like? With working ppl want to go hm and sch ppl wan go hm, might as well switch. can add x-over on BR SIDE like 88/143 x-over
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Originally posted by .SBS9888Y.:
i think pm peak is harder to allocate xover due to regular duties requiring mealbreak at that point of time.
But there's 105/ 334 x-over (4get abt 198/ 272 x-over):Ppl who are back from work need 334 to go home. Thus, there will be 1 fleet addition of SLBP 105. (But good news, SL handed over HG 1 S shift bus & fleet ad of HG 105)
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165/285 x-over in AM Peak.. Many ppl board 285 from Clementi Ave 3 during the AM peak hours to Pandan Loop..
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Originally posted by SBS8533C:
165/285 x-over in AM Peak.. Many ppl board 285 from Clementi Ave 3 during the AM peak hours to Pandan Loop..
How about PM peak?The workers oso need 165/ 285 buses to go back Clementi.
However, 4 BB 165 buses will run during the peak. 165'll rely on HG side.
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Originally posted by sbs8104h:
what does it look like? With working ppl want to go hm and sch ppl wan go hm, might as well switch. can add x-over on BR SIDE like 88/143 x-over
88 is just as bad at that time. amk - hg, real money sucker.
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There's usually not enough buses on most services during PM peak cos it coincides with mealbreak time. It's not a case of which service needs to be supplemented then (more helpful to add perm S shift buses to the service e.g. 285) such that they can cope on their own before asking a service to attempt to help another service.