SBS Transit is looking at lowering fares for PIW
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In today's ST (22/05/09) Home cover page
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A good initative. Reduced fare helps PIW to help themselves, especially for those who are travelling for work to sustain themselves.
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and also disabled,finianial problems
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It is a good move. Hopefully it'll come to pass.
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i wonder if smrt will follow sbs...nxt time we will c more piws on buses so 2 piw seats wun be waste
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Originally posted by SBS7382C:
i wonder if smrt will follow sbs...nxt time we will c more piws on buses so 2 piw seats wun be waste
Passengers complaint the front space all go to waste and not enough seats especially for the elderly that's why Euro V become single PIW slot only with additional 3 more seats occupying the front PIW slot.Actually i'm not sure but there's this lingering question in my mind, what are the chances that two PIWs will take together? i feel it's quite rare, at least for the moment. so one PIW slot should suffice till demand arises.
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One intresting fact i had observed: Of the 1000 plus trips i taken WAB services, i only got 3 PIW take bus sighting)
Perharps the PIW demand is not what we estimated.
However, i recommand a 10 cents deduction for PIW taking buses, however, no extra transfer rebates shall be imposed.
i am still waiting 851, 854 and all others which had few KUBs to go WAB
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Originally posted by SBS7382C:
i wonder if smrt will follow sbs...nxt time we will c more piws on buses so 2 piw seats wun be waste
smrt would use their money wisely on profit drawing measures.
smrt's wab progress is pretty dead.
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Originally posted by TIB537B:
Passengers complaint the front space all go to waste and not enough seats especially for the elderly that's why Euro V become single PIW slot only with additional 3 more seats occupying the front PIW slot.Actually i'm not sure but there's this lingering question in my mind, what are the chances that two PIWs will take together? i feel it's quite rare, at least for the moment. so one PIW slot should suffice till demand arises.
In any event it happens, with the poliferation of more WAB buses, the fren can either board the nex one or both wait for 2 PIW slots WSD provided the WSD is more packed...
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Originally posted by .SBS9888Y.:
smrt would use their money wisely on profit drawing measures.
smrt's wab progress is pretty dead.
Article mention smethin abt SMRT launchin WAB svc nex month... sv851 perhaps?!
tt wuz the flagship svc when TIBS introduced the bus from Yishun New Town to Bukit Merah in the 80s -
Originally posted by Acx1688:
Article mention smethin abt SMRT launchin WAB svc nex month... sv851 perhaps?!
tt wuz the flagship svc when TIBS introduced the bus from Yishun New Town to Bukit Merah in the 80sCan be but potentially any bus route currently with OC500LEs deployed with meeting the quota of WAB buses and the route is mostly suitable for WAB. Time for speculations
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Hope 851 will go WAB and get PIWs onboard.
In my over 500 WAB svc rides, not even 5% is with PIW -_-"
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hmm, PIW need to pay in the 1st place? Saw bus driver push PIW in through the exit, didn't hear any ezlink "beep" noise?
Saw 2 or 3 times on SMRT service. No beep??
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I believe they are just talking about lowering fares, don't think they are serious about it
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Originally posted by Fantagf:
I believe they are just talking about lowering fares, don't think they are serious about it
A discussion about this issue can open up to new initiatives.....
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Originally posted by darthboy:
hmm, PIW need to pay in the 1st place? Saw bus driver push PIW in through the exit, didn't hear any ezlink "beep" noise?
Saw 2 or 3 times on SMRT service. No beep??
PIW give BC the EZ-Link card, BC help tap. Saw it on 196 before, PIW took 2 mins to get his Wheel chair into the space, take long time because the pole keep hitting his wheel chair. At the time, I was on my way to school, then all my schoolmates also watching.
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Originally posted by darthboy:
hmm, PIW need to pay in the 1st place? Saw bus driver push PIW in through the exit, didn't hear any ezlink "beep" noise?
Saw 2 or 3 times on SMRT service. No beep??
If there are family members accompanying the PIW, the family members already helped the PIW tapped, so the BC don't need to tap for the PIW. -
good initiative that we care for the disabled.. Hope our LTA be more flexible and not wait till a service is WAB certified before allowing them board the bus. If a WAB bus on a non-WAB certified route arrives, please be more flexible and allow them board the bus. And we put the responsibility on the passenger to take care of him/herself if they try to alight on a bus-stop that is not WAB friendly. And hence, all WAB buses will just display the handicapped logo in the front windscreen.
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This may seem heartless.
But any concession given to the disabled people would probably mean subsidy from the adult fares. This would mean slighly higher adult fares.
And then there are the polytechnic students asking for lower fares. How can you subsidise all groups of people and to remain profitable enough for your shareholders?
To me the argument is flawed that they cannot use the transport system if there is no concession as most of the disabled people are either not working or in the low income group.
There are many other able-bodied Singaporeans who have been retrenched or unemployed. Similarly there are many other low-income families, or able-bodied Singaporeans who are in the low-income group and they too have to rely on public transport. Penalising them and over-burdening them through in light of a fare increase just to subsidise a minority group of Singaporeans isn't fair.
But yet, they need help, so why don't the government offer them subsidies or dish out transport subsidies instead for these people. I think this is a more equitable way. And I don't think this is being done out of pity or whatever, but more caring of a government inclusive of all Singaporeans.
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Originally posted by Zilchster:
This may seem heartless.
But any concession given to the disabled people would probably mean subsidy from the adult fares. This would mean slighly higher adult fares.
And then there are the polytechnic students asking for lower fares. How can you subsidise all groups of people and to remain profitable enough for your shareholders?
To me the argument is flawed that they cannot use the transport system if there is no concession as most of the disabled people are either not working or in the low income group.
There are many other able-bodied Singaporeans who have been retrenched or unemployed. Similarly there are many other low-income families, or able-bodied Singaporeans who are in the low-income group and they too have to rely on public transport. Penalising them and over-burdening them through in light of a fare increase just to subsidise a minority group of Singaporeans isn't fair.
But yet, they need help, so why don't the government offer them subsidies or dish out transport subsidies instead for these people. I think this is a more equitable way. And I don't think this is being done out of pity or whatever, but more caring of a government inclusive of all Singaporeans.
subsidy from govt wun it end up come from taxpayers? isn't it e same from fare payers? concessions somewhat you've to give up a certain amt of margin
now the thing is, why not give some if e co is profitable?
as for the unemployed, why should I subsidise them if there are courses around to upgrade their skills for another sector that might have opening? issue is of mentality
over e students fare, it's flawed. tat 45c fare has remained for almost a decade yet it ended up w/ 1c deduction yet the poly - JC fare issue has been lingering for years especially now per cohort is 2 poly student vs 1 JC student ratio (60% poly, 30% JC or pre - Uni and 10% ITE).
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I'm not saying that the unemployed should be subsidised. Read carefully.
Since you said it's an issue of mentality, it applies to the PIW group too.
All I'm saying that the argument of the petition is flawed.
I don't think the companies are obligated to do so. There are many other countries out there whereby PIW pay the same fare as any other adults.
They don't want pity, but what they are doing isn't it asking for sympathy and pity?
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Originally posted by Zilchster:
This may seem heartless.
But any concession given to the disabled people would probably mean subsidy from the adult fares. This would mean slighly higher adult fares.
And then there are the polytechnic students asking for lower fares. How can you subsidise all groups of people and to remain profitable enough for your shareholders?
To me the argument is flawed that they cannot use the transport system if there is no concession as most of the disabled people are either not working or in the low income group.
There are many other able-bodied Singaporeans who have been retrenched or unemployed. Similarly there are many other low-income families, or able-bodied Singaporeans who are in the low-income group and they too have to rely on public transport. Penalising them and over-burdening them through in light of a fare increase just to subsidise a minority group of Singaporeans isn't fair.
But yet, they need help, so why don't the government offer them subsidies or dish out transport subsidies instead for these people. I think this is a more equitable way. And I don't think this is being done out of pity or whatever, but more caring of a government inclusive of all Singaporeans.
Before the WAB buses and retrofit of stations, the PIW cannot even take the train or bus. So there isn't that loss to begin in the first place.
Even if they were already taking buses and trains long ago, Is the PIW population *that* large for SBST to lose so much in profitability, that they have to jack up the fares?
Are we going to say that since PIWs take buses and trains now rather than taxis, taxi fares go up because of the loss in profit from PIW?
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Originally posted by Zilchster:
But yet, they need help, so why don't the government offer them subsidies or dish out transport subsidies instead for these people. I think this is a more equitable way. And I don't think this is being done out of pity or whatever, but more caring of a government inclusive of all Singaporeans.
The government (or CDCs) do hand out transport subsidies for some of these people. IMO, they aren't doing enough though.
If they are proposing that PIWs travel for free, then the argument of mentality would hold a lot of water. Some PIWs have a proper job and go to work everyday. There is a reason why the operators are asking for reduction rather than total waiver.
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Originally posted by Zilchster:
I'm not saying that the unemployed should be subsidised. Read carefully.
Since you said it's an issue of mentality, it applies to the PIW group too.
All I'm saying that the argument of the petition is flawed.
I don't think the companies are obligated to do so. There are many other countries out there whereby PIW pay the same fare as any other adults.
They don't want pity, but what they are doing isn't it asking for sympathy and pity?
they're alrdy unable to work as like us, so at least have some heart let them be able to live independently.You dun have to look at other countries because they've other factors i.e. social countries or whatever. e bus co may not give subsidy but e govt does