Redeployments (Part 9)
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Originally posted by JaSoNhSu92:
even 198 and 506 off service runtime from BBDEP to boon lay/bt merah/je doesnt seems quite long IMO.
bbdep is much nearer to je than slbp. But giving JE to bbdep means bbdep will max its resource and slbp is half empty. -
Originally posted by sbs&tibs:
170, historical reasons? Geographical reason? Seem nearer to JB. 160 too.Yeah, 160 and 506 under JE route group.
506 1st and last bus timings is reasonable for it to be under slbp, but no idea why it isn't. And 198 under slbp shouldn't be a problem as most of its starting and ending trips is at BNL int. But 198 practices jumpbus also, unless this system is changed to BNL.
I think slbp isn't that big enough to take in so many services.
Does 198 S-shift with 147? one thing i noticed is that the M1 ad on WAB is on 147,and it also does 198 occasionally
and also theres one thing i dont understand though, why would 198 want to go BBDEP instead of ARBP?
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Originally posted by sbs&tibs:
arbp has its constraints too. S63 fleet is so big under the east, it makes more sense for brbp to absorb the minority.
brbp land size is bigger than arbp mah, even 5 buses from arbp they dont mind squeezing in a bit. -
Originally posted by Aeris1974:
Does 198 S-shift with 147?
and also theres one thing i dont understand though, why would 198 want to go BBDEP instead of ARBP?
does 198 s shift with 147? this sentence does not make sense. what u meant is does 198 crossover to 147? no. however 198 buses can be seen on 147 which indicates a cameo. this oculd have happened cos a 147 bus was not available and an available bus was taken from the depot. it could be a svc 198 bus.
let me break it down for you.
s shift is called split shift. s shift operates during peak hours, during am off peak, buses go back to the depot for swing till the afternoon peak.
198 under bbdep would decrease off svc mileage, technically bbdep is more centralised from bukit merah and boon lay.
crossover is a bus that is perm on a service that will go over to another service and a predetermined time period as stated on a timesheet as a scheduled event that happens on a regular basis.
cameo is a bus from another svc that may be deployed to do another svc for the day due to varied reasons such as breakdowns, suyou or on wash.
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Originally posted by Aeris1974:
Does 198 S-shift with 147?
and also theres one thing i dont understand though, why would 198 want to go BBDEP instead of ARBP?
arbp is interchangeable with bbdep mah. bbdep keeps spare+perm service buses while arbp keeps only perm service buses. -
Originally posted by Aeris1974:
and also theres one thing i dont understand though, why would 198 want to go BBDEP instead of ARBP?
I am curious why 14 175 isn't under bbdep but arbp instead.
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Originally posted by JaSoNhSu92:
brbp land size is bigger than arbp mah, even 5 buses from arbp they dont mind squeezing in a bit.from what i see, brbp is more packed than arbp.
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Originally posted by sbs&tibs:
I am curious why 14 175 isn't under bbdep but arbp instead.
buona vista services like 74 92 are under bbdep while 32 48 91 191 are under arbp.looks like clementi, buona vista and bt merah have a mix of arbp and bbdep buses.
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Originally posted by JaSoNhSu92:
buona vista services like 74 92 are under bbdep while 32 48 95 are under arbp.looks like clementi, buona vista and bt merah have a mix of arbp and bbdep buses.
95 is under ARBP.
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Originally posted by Rk 2010:
95 is under ARBP.
im supposing you mean that 95 uses kent ridge terminal?
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Originally posted by jayh272416:
im supposing you mean that 95 uses kent ridge terminal?
i guess so.
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Originally posted by JaSoNhSu92:
buona vista services like 74 92 are under bbdep while 32 48 91 191 are under arbp.looks like clementi, buona vista and bt merah have a mix of arbp and bbdep buses.
basically arbp and bbdep have a wide mix as a whole. in kent ridge we have 10 and 95 under ar and 33 and 151 under bb and ghim moh 92 under bb, 111 under ar also. this its not known why.
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Originally posted by .SBS9888Y.:
does 198 s shift with 147? this sentence does not make sense. what u meant is does 198 crossover to 147? no. however 198 buses can be seen on 147 which indicates a cameo. this oculd have happened cos a 147 bus was not available and an available bus was taken from the depot. it could be a svc 198 bus.
let me break it down for you.
s shift is called split shift. s shift operates during peak hours, during am off peak, buses go back to the depot for swing till the afternoon peak.
198 under bbdep would decrease off svc mileage, technically bbdep is more centralised from bukit merah and boon lay.
crossover is a bus that is perm on a service that will go over to another service and a predetermined time period as stated on a timesheet as a scheduled event that happens on a regular basis.
cameo is a bus from another svc that may be deployed to do another svc for the day due to varied reasons such as breakdowns, suyou or on wash.
so in short 198 buses will do 147 occasionally ?
i do get what you mean, but i just summed it up though
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Originally posted by sbs&tibs:
I am curious why 14 175 isn't under bbdep but arbp instead.14 is there for historical reasons. I believe 175 is there is because at that time of BC recruitment there are more based in arbp than bbdep. The introduction of 5 175 has led to 96 moving from arbp to bbdep.
Originally posted by sbs&tibs:
170, historical reasons? Geographical reason? Seem nearer to JB. 160 too.Yeah, 160 and 506 under JE route group.
506 1st and last bus timings is reasonable for it to be under slbp, but no idea why it isn't. And 198 under slbp shouldn't be a problem as most of its starting and ending trips is at BNL int. But 198 practices jumpbus also, unless this system is changed to BNL.
I think slbp isn't that big enough to take in so many services.
Jurong East used to be fully under bbdep. When slbp opened, majority of the services went over to slbp less 506.
160 under bbdep is to consolidate all the JB Mk3s in 1 depot together, since 170 is also under bbdep and 160 from bbdep to Jurong East isnt that far..
198 under bbdep is due to off service mileage. This reason dates way back to a million years ago. Has no effect on current day's deployment reasoning.
slbp still has space.. but not logical for them to do so.. imagine 198 full slbp.. possible since 174 is also under full slbp but since its not broken, why fix it?
Originally posted by azharjj:How about svc 63 ? why BRBP fully control ? i tot BRBP no space ? maybe ben can ans this... sorry if i ask this coz i dunno =)
1. easier for single depot control
2. arbp has no space in like of taking in 1 bus from BN 65, fleet addition for 65 111 272
3. brbp still have space to park. Just go to brbp at 2.30am.Originally posted by .SBS9888Y.:bndep is currently overloaded.
serangoon amdep > hgdep, eunos hgdep > brbp, bishan brbp > amdep. during 2003 due to NEL rationalisation. they want hgdep to operate on the northeast corridor, thus, the transfer. it takes only about 15mins to get from eunos to brbp.
Its 2004. It takes 20-22min brbp-> eunos. about 15-19min from eunos -> brbpOriginally posted by Oceane:Just to clarify, SBS 8902X is a fleet addition 1 S shift into 199, meaning SBS 8443D did not leave 199.
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Originally posted by service_238:
14 is there for historical reasons. I believe 175 is there is because at that time of BC recruitment there are more based in arbp than bbdep. The introduction of 5 175 has led to 96 moving from arbp to bbdep.
Jurong East used to be fully under bbdep. When slbp opened, majority of the services went over to slbp less 506.
So which services did the former Penjuru jrdep served? I was thinking JE services under jrdep since bbdep was there to cater for NW services. -
Originally posted by .SBS9888Y.:
does 198 s shift with 147? this sentence does not make sense. what u meant is does 198 crossover to 147? no. however 198 buses can be seen on 147 which indicates a cameo. this oculd have happened cos a 147 bus was not available and an available bus was taken from the depot. it could be a svc 198 bus.
let me break it down for you.
s shift is called split shift. s shift operates during peak hours, during am off peak, buses go back to the depot for swing till the afternoon peak.
198 under bbdep would decrease off svc mileage, technically bbdep is more centralised from bukit merah and boon lay.
crossover is a bus that is perm on a service that will go over to another service and a predetermined time period as stated on a timesheet as a scheduled event that happens on a regular basis.
cameo is a bus from another svc that may be deployed to do another svc for the day due to varied reasons such as breakdowns, suyou or on wash.
wad is suyou?
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Originally posted by ahjack 77:
wad is suyou?
PM - Preventive Maintenance -
SBS 8699H SBS 8701J SBS 8703D SBS 8901Z
(SLBP SP
SLBP 502)The EEVs are allocated the S and T shift slots so they would be doing either A or B or not both.
19S: 502/502A/502B (First AM 502A, first PM 502B)
20S: 502/502B (First AM 502B, second PM 502B)
21S: 502/502A (Second AM 502A)
22T: 502/502A (Third AM 502A)SBS 3728R
(SLBP 502 SLBP SP)SBS 0419C
(SLBP 502 SLBP 78)SBS 0128S
(SLBP 78 SLBP SP)SBS 0441L
(SLBP 502 SLBP 243)SBS 0137R
(SLBP 243 SLBP SP)SBS 0470C
(SLBP 502 SLBP 66)SBS 3727T
(SLBP 66 SLBP SP) -
PAISEH PAISEH careless mistake
SBS2660H
(BNDEP SP BNDEP 5) Fleet Add A/P -
Originally posted by SBS2615P:
SBS8295P
(BNDEP 5 BNDEP SP)SBS2660H
(BNDEP SP BNDEP 5)and there goes a KUB of svc 5..
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Originally posted by service_238:
14 is there for historical reasons. I believe 175 is there is because at that time of BC recruitment there are more based in arbp than bbdep. The introduction of 5 175 has led to 96 moving from arbp to bbdep.
Jurong East used to be fully under bbdep. When slbp opened, majority of the services went over to slbp less 506.
160 under bbdep is to consolidate all the JB Mk3s in 1 depot together, since 170 is also under bbdep and 160 from bbdep to Jurong East isnt that far..
198 under bbdep is due to off service mileage. This reason dates way back to a million years ago. Has no effect on current day's deployment reasoning.
slbp still has space.. but not logical for them to do so.. imagine 198 full slbp.. possible since 174 is also under full slbp but since its not broken, why fix it?
1. easier for single depot control
2. arbp has no space in like of taking in 1 bus from BN 65, fleet addition for 65 111 272
3. brbp still have space to park. Just go to brbp at 2.30am.
Its 2004. It takes 20-22min brbp-> eunos. about 15-19min from eunos -> brbp
Addition of 1 outside schedule bus
However, I can see some of AR permers like 32, 65, 111, 175 etc parking departing from BBDEP instead of ARBP since it's interchangable (beside the purpose of maintenance) to commence their S Split duty. Because of that, 99, 198 etc... got 65, 111, 132 perm cameos.Is it something to do with the bus timings?
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Originally posted by .SBS9888Y.:
sengkang has a lack of parking space. due to that reason. 86's layovers are kept short. amk has a lack of parking space as well thats why 86 and 136 adopts a single depot jumpbus system. for sv 3 and 81 are operated fully by tampines route group while 86 and 136 fully by ang mo kio. it makes life easier when services are singledepot control.
add on tat 965 got to become a woodlands - sengkang loop svc instead of terminating at sengkangbtw 86 was once a full hg control too when sbs took over sengkang routes in 1999
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Originally posted by sbs&tibs:
bbdep is much nearer to je than slbp. But giving JE to bbdep means bbdep will max its resource and slbp is half empty.
JE route grp had been all the while under JR/SLBP ever since in the 80s. Whereas AR/BB had bt merah / buona vista / clementi as well as bt batok / cck / bt panjang (b4 tibs takeover). -
Originally posted by SBS8258Y:
add on tat 965 got to become a woodlands - sengkang loop svc instead of terminating at sengkangbtw 86 was once a full hg control too when sbs took over sengkang routes in 1999
159 was full AMDEP control too when it was a loop service (Toa Payoh to Sengkang (loop)). But after reverted back to 2-directional service, it became HGDEP.163 was under AMDEP control before extending route to Sengkang.
Because of that, 86 had to become full AMDEP.