Redeployments (Part 9)
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Originally posted by Stage:
lol i thought my eyes were playing tricks on me when i saw it today.154 to 145. lol.
so what went into 154?
brbp sp to brbp 145brbp 145 to brbp sp
220h is kicked out by euro v
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Originally posted by .SBS9888Y.:
SBS220H
(BRBP 154
BRBP 145)SBS568E
(BRBP 145 BRBP SP)
yay lousy bus out.SBS568E is not lousy. Don't ever try to discriminate it.
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sbs2681y then more louzy, so slow.
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Originally posted by Yongjunzer:
sbs2681y then more louzy, so slow.
SBS2681Y is not lousy. Don't ever try to discriminate it.
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No bus is lousy. Don't discriminate any of them
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i board sbs2681y last week from tpy interchange.and it is running very slowly.so i don't know weather it is louzy or the bc is dilly dally.
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VSO demo isn't any better -.-
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Originally posted by chickenlittle2:
cos SS 568E is cmi..Cos amdep drivers don't like Voith, simple. Thats why they last time give VSOs to bndep like free also, even after Citybuzz was gone.
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Originally posted by chickenlittle2:
cos SS 568E is cmi..You mean SBS568E is can make it, right?
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Originally posted by Scania:
Cos amdep drivers don't like Voith, simple. Thats why they last time give VSOs to bndep like free also, even after Citybuzz was gone.
what makes you think so ? you survey every single bus captain uh -.-
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Originally posted by TIB930Z:
what makes you think so ? you survey every single bus captain uh -.-
You go and ask around, and no need to survey, in statistical mathematics, there is this topic called sampling, go read up.
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Originally posted by SBS7322B:
You mean SBS568E is can make it, right?
Eh, that is ur own interpretation.
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Originally posted by Scania:
Cos amdep drivers don't like Voith, simple. Thats why they last time give VSOs to bndep like free also, even after Citybuzz was gone.
imo the W3Es perform better, hands down. the sbst voith merc's slower pickup and violent, quick yet sharp jerks are a clear down side.
after amdep dumped WA webastos and VSOs over to brbp, they now moved on to voith OAC DMs. another one, i do hope to move out is 554U.
add: hope this clears the air, lets move on with the topic.
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Originally posted by Spanish hog:
I suppose units of mk iv from 162 and those random buses like 976K might go out and those services get euro 4 or 5. Of cos, depot transfers of spare volvo mk 4 is possible, though mk 3 is doubtful
cos amdep have none of it at all, so
they might not penetrate into amdep like LO being kept within am/br
& slbp onlyFor 138, it might upgrade directly to euro V than volvos esp in view of its "ambassadorial" status as a bus to attractions like zoo.
Other amdep/brbp services yet to use scania like 135, 139, 145 might have a "merc-ciless" evolution
aft 2 years and level up to full euro
v and the new lot of SDs coming next year or so, just
like how 33 receive 7 euro iv at once to replace N113 back
then.These are just suggestions, pls dont take it hard.
no hard feeling at all. MK III isnt coming to AMDEP. one of the Sv58 mk III stayed at BNDEP instead of coming over with the rest of the fleet. I dun mind Sv138 getting MK IV or Euro V or what..but i dun think it enjoy any Ambassadorial status also. If it does enjoy, then SBST should have given it K230 long time back.
It seem like these services 135/136/138/139/145/155 are not getting Euro 4/5 right now for some reasons which SBST know... but maybe one of these sv will get it wef today?
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SBS 8738D SBS 8739B
(AMDEP SP AMDEP 186)SBS 0162S SBS 0163P
(AMDEP 186 AMDEP SP)SBS 8946U
(SLBP SP SLBP 502)SBS 3740D
(SLBP 502 SLBP SP)SBS 8950G
(SLBP SP SLBP 183)SBS 3746M
(SLBP 183 SLBP SP)SBS 8969D SBS 8970Z SBS 8971X SBS 8972T
(BRBP SP BRBP 90)SBS 0177A SBS 0323U SBS 0345G SBS 3747K
(BRBP 90 BRBP SP)SBS 0185B
(SLBP SP SLBP 240) Fleet addition.SBS 0193C
(SLBP 98/183 SLBP 181) Fleet addition 1 R.SBS 3915S
(SLBP SP SLBP 98/183)SBS 0415M
(SLBP SP SLBP 79)SBS 3744T
(SLBP 79 SLBP SP)SBS 0498Z
(SLBP SP SLBP 181)SBS 3745R
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Originally posted by lemon1974:
no hard feeling at all. MK III isnt coming to AMDEP. one of the Sv58 mk III stayed at BNDEP instead of coming over with the rest of the fleet. I dun mind Sv138 getting MK IV or Euro V or what..but i dun think it enjoy any Ambassadorial status also. If it does enjoy, then SBST should have given it K230 long time back.
It seem like these services 135/136/138/139/145/155 are not getting Euro 4/5 right now for some reasons which SBST know... but maybe one of these sv will get it wef today?
135 and 136 start eev today.
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Originally posted by .SBS9888Y.:
imo the W3Es perform better, hands down. the sbst voith merc's slower pickup and violent, quick yet sharp jerks are a clear down side.
after amdep dumped WA webastos and VSOs over to brbp, they now moved on to voith OAC DMs. another one, i do hope to move out is 554U.
add: hope this clears the air, lets move on with the topic.
If anything, the characteristic of the W3E for a long time has been the violent, quick yet sharp jerks you mention. SBST seems to have made the clutch engage quickly because I don't remember the 0405s to be like this last time.I prefer Voith 0405s....at least the clutch engages smoothly in most voiths, not violently like the W3Es. But of course engaging faster means the W3E 0405s pick up faster and respond quickly. If there's anything I dislike about Voith is its stickiness downwards, particularly between 1st and 2nd and its resultant reluctance to disengage the clutch once it has engaged.
Oh well, boils down to individual preferences.
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Originally posted by lemon1974:
no hard feeling at all. MK III isnt coming to AMDEP. one of the Sv58 mk III stayed at BNDEP instead of coming over with the rest of the fleet. I dun mind Sv138 getting MK IV or Euro V or what..but i dun think it enjoy any Ambassadorial status also. If it does enjoy, then SBST should have given it K230 long time back.
It seem like these services 135/136/138/139/145/155 are not getting Euro 4/5 right now for some reasons which SBST know... but maybe one of these sv will get it wef today?
Pardon this but, I have a small question.
Is that hump at the Zoo the reason why SBST doesn't deploy KUBs on 138? I've been on quite a few Hinos(927) and I often hear scrapping of the undercarriage on the hump.
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Originally posted by Fryderyk HPH:
Pardon this but, I have a small question.
Is that hump at the Zoo the reason why SBST doesn't deploy KUBs on 138? I've been on quite a few Hinos(927) and I often hear scrapping of the undercarriage on the hump.
Its not unusual for the B10Ms to hit their bodies against the humps...VIOLENTLY, at the hilly Kent Ridge, particularly when fully-loaded and they go over the hump at fairly high speeds.Don't think there's any lasting damage though. Proves the ruggedness of the largely B10M types, especially the MKIIIs.
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Originally posted by .SBS9888Y.:
imo the W3Es perform better, hands down. the sbst voith merc's slower pickup and violent, quick yet sharp jerks are a clear down side.
after amdep dumped WA webastos and VSOs over to brbp, they now moved on to voith OAC DMs. another one, i do hope to move out is 554U.
add: hope this clears the air, lets move on with the topic.
More like you made trouble for yourself. =.=
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
If anything, the characteristic of the W3E for a long time has been the violent, quick yet sharp jerks you mention. SBST seems to have made the clutch engage quickly because I don't remember the 0405s to be like this last time.I prefer Voith 0405s....at least the clutch engages smoothly in most voiths, not violently like the W3Es. But of course engaging faster means the W3E 0405s pick up faster and respond quickly. If there's anything I dislike about Voith is its stickiness downwards, particularly between 1st and 2nd and its resultant reluctance to disengage the clutch once it has engaged.
Oh well, boils down to individual preferences.
Okay, you missed my point totally. Let me go simple. Jerks when buses switch to higher gears do not result in highly likely falls by commuters as the jerks are not as forceful as the ones done by braking by Voith which the W3E does not have. This violent and sharp jerk happens when these Voith Merc are about to reach stationary position and results in countless falls all these years and drivers losing their humble pay due to complaints, also with the slower pick up drivers often end up late from schedule and also when they slow down because they take extra precautions for the notorious jerk.
When the stickiness happens and Voith Merc wants to hit the upper gears, the gear will drag before changing with a harsh jerk.
One thing about 568E and 554U, they have really poor pickup esp with loads, brakes are worn out screeching like free, often shui gun and their A/C power is questionable.
Can we get back to talking redeployments.
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WAH sv 90 like that from having NAC to WAB
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Originally posted by .SBS9888Y.:
Okay, you missed my point totally. Let me go simple. Jerks when buses switch to higher gears do not result in highly likely falls by commuters as the jerks are not as forceful as the ones done by braking by Voith which the W3E does not have. This violent and sharp jerk happens when these Voith Merc are about to reach stationary position and results in countless falls all these years and drivers losing their humble pay due to complaints driving Voith Merc.
One thing about 568E and 554U, they often shui gun.
The W3E jerks are very violent IMO....Anyway, the point made on the Voith retardation, well, fair enough. IMO again, it really boils down to BC's driving style, but the traffic conditions are certainly not helpful.
If so, I would add that the ZF's switch from 2nd to 1st when the bus stops and is very near stationary position is a little too obvious for comfort.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
The W3E jerks are very violent IMO....Anyway, the point made on the Voith retardation, well, fair enough. IMO again, it really boils down to BC's driving style, but the traffic conditions are certainly not helpful.
If so, I would add that the ZF's switch from 2nd to 1st when the bus stops and is very near stationary position is a little too obvious for comfort.
impact to commuters often occur when buses are slowing down and hitting stationary. commuters tend to take more care when bus is accelerating.
W3Es may not be as smooth in its transmission but their execution is way better than the Voiths due to better tuning of the gearboxes. W3E's 2nd to 1st changes smoothly as well.
generally W3Es is a better variant to drive over Voith.
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Originally posted by Tilldeath23:
WAH sv 90 like that from having NAC to WAB
haha. in 2 years time alot of services will be like that. at least i can say that for SBS Transit services.