Rapid Penang's K230UB - clone of SBS's K230UB!
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Originally posted by SGCar:
It might be possible, maybe 10 years later.
Bendy is good, dunno why LTA ban it.
LTA stupid what.Most of the decisions they make are all stupid decisions.
Anyway,i have heard quite long ago that the public have also complained abt the bendies dangerously swinging when they are travelling in the eways.Could this complains have lead to the banning of bendies by LTA in singapore? -
Originally posted by Merczrox:
LTA stupid what.Most of the decisions they make are all stupid decisions.
Anyway,i have heard quite long ago that the public have also complained abt the bendies dangerously swinging when they are travelling in the eways.Could this have lead to the banning of bendies by LTA in singapore.to the untrained, they might think that the two "carriages" are connected strictly via the "accordion" like rubber thingy so it might just snap anytime..
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Originally posted by dinierazin:
It is the Scania K230UB. It was assembled by a local company called, "Deftech" together with "Gemilang" as a joint venture.
Looks nice, but the entrance door is using the narrow one might not be that effective as well~~ -
Originally posted by billlmf:
Looks nice, but the entrance door is using the narrow one might not be that effective as well~~I think there is a reason for that - to force passengers to queue up in a line and face the driver so that they won't dodge the fare!
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Originally posted by Merczrox:
LTA stupid what.Most of the decisions they make are all stupid decisions.
Anyway,i have heard quite long ago that the public have also complained abt the bendies dangerously swinging when they are travelling in the eways.Could this complains have lead to the banning of bendies by LTA in singapore?
singapore's bendies are actually more stable. swinging maybe people complained due to the bounciness of the back of the rear section, but lateral swinging i think its rare. rear wheel drive bendies like our O.405's tend to have a heavier rear section, with the axle, engine and gearbox all at the rear. hence, the rear end tends to be steadier, unless we're talkin about slippery ice roads, then any bus wouldn't stand a chance at all. bendies that tend to swing are mostly those with the driving force in the middle axle, and the engine up front (B10m), leading to a very light rear section, and so, has more tendency to swing. then again, the buses in singapore rarely travel fast enough to make the rear end swing, and even if it were to be a B10M, or any other bus with engine and drive in the front section, from what i see all over the net, such cases rarely happen unless:1) the road is icy and slippery. wet roads, not exactly possible.
2) driver is driving at a stupendously high speed and then makes a sudden sharp turn, throwing everything off balance and makes the tail section swing.
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Originally posted by dinierazin:
It is the Scania K230UB. It was assembled by a local company called, "Deftech" together with "Gemilang" as a joint venture.
The bus looks shorter. Single Entrance door. Is this a 10.6m or 11m bus?And the back of the bus follows SBS Transit's Euro V KUBs' design.
One more thing: the front windscreen still sticks with old type 3-piece-windscreen instead of SBS Transit's KUBs' one whole piece.
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Originally posted by SBS7484P:
singapore's bendies are actually more stable. swinging maybe people complained due to the bounciness of the back of the rear section, but lateral swinging i think its rare. rear wheel drive bendies like our O.405's tend to have a heavier rear section, with the axle, engine and gearbox all at the rear. hence, the rear end tends to be steadier, unless we're talkin about slippery ice roads, then any bus wouldn't stand a chance at all. bendies that tend to swing are mostly those with the driving force in the middle axle, and the engine up front (B10m), leading to a very light rear section, and so, has more tendency to swing. then again, the buses in singapore rarely travel fast enough to make the rear end swing, and even if it were to be a B10M, or any other bus with engine and drive in the front section, from what i see all over the net, such cases rarely happen unless:1) the road is icy and slippery. wet roads, not exactly possible.
2) driver is driving at a stupendously high speed and then makes a sudden sharp turn, throwing everything off balance and makes the tail section swing.
Frankly this is what drivers should be trained for. But on a practical sense, these training are very expensive to hold. I understand that Scania has training camps which include defensive driving and such for coach and truck drivers but for citybus drivers I guess the cost to train one with these skills is still high (and maybe unnecessary?)...
More on Infra's O530G if you have not enough dose of it...
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Originally posted by dinierazin:
It is the Scania K230UB. It was assembled by a local company called, "Deftech" together with "Gemilang" as a joint venture.
Wow, e headlamps are e same as us, and the front eds looks the same as SBST OC500LE.
Cheers.
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I believe bendies are banned for safety reasons. Our lane width is so narrow tat even 12m buses have problem safely turning at junctions without cars giving way to them.. wat's more to say w/ a longer bendy esp when e bus is turning at relatively high speed i.e. 30kph
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Originally posted by TIB1234T:
The bus looks shorter. Single Entrance door. Is this a 10.6m or 11m bus?And the back of the bus follows SBS Transit's Euro V KUBs' design.
One more thing: the front windscreen still sticks with old type 3-piece-windscreen instead of SBS Transit's KUBs' one whole piece.
looks like a 11.8m KUB, maybe 12m. accrding to MY news, there are 2 vers, 10.6m [similar to kmb] and 12m.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
I believe bendies are banned for safety reasons. Our lane width is so narrow tat even 12m buses have problem safely turning at junctions without cars giving way to them.. wat's more to say w/ a longer bendy esp when e bus is turning at relatively high speed i.e. 30kph
Actually if wanna compare, bendies can turn better than any DDs around. I still think bendies are much better, and it really benefits SMRT, as I still dun think SMRT will be getting DDs in near future, and more rigids will mean more drivers needed, I think LTA will somehow lift the ban one day.Cheers.
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HK's KMB's KUB sounds cool too.
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Originally posted by SGCar:
Actually if wanna compare, bendies can turn better than any DDs around. I still think bendies are much better, and it really benefits SMRT, as I still dun think SMRT will be getting DDs in near future, and more rigids will mean more drivers needed, I think LTA will somehow lift the ban one day.Cheers.
you might not notice e hazard until you drive near them whenever they're turningthey turn right, its backside sometimes 'eats' into e left side lane, how much depends on e speed
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Originally posted by sbst275:
you might not notice e hazard until you drive near them whenever they're turningthey turn right, its backside sometimes 'eats' into e left side lane, how much depends on e speed
This also applies to truck and trailer applications dude. Does that mean these trucks & trailer are to be banned as well? A smart driver will know not to approach these vehicles when they are turning or cornering, or to approach with caution. Most long vehicles have a wide turning radius and drivers should know this. The back of the bendy bus have a long vehicle sticker. The driver should take caution when approaching them.
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Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:
This also applies to truck and trailer applications dude. Does that mean these trucks & trailer are to be banned as well? A smart driver will know not to approach these vehicles when they are turning or cornering, or to approach with caution. Most long vehicles have a wide turning radius and drivers should know this. The back of the bendy bus have a long vehicle sticker. The driver should take caution when approaching them.
can take caution, but the bendies's speed is not controlled when turning it causes havoc as well. dun forget, our lanes are very narrow, even experienced drivers would also end up having to slow down esp right turn into YIS Int w/ right lane being e fast lane beside filter lane
I think it all boils down to e skill of e driver. We can end up drivers driving bendies as if it's a SDthose driving 20ft or 40ft TEU trailers, tat's their daily cari makan job. you can see how well they can steer the trailer safely
so it's to get rid of e bendies to reduce safety hazard since there are alternative DDs.. as for 20ft and 40ft, get rid of them, then our PSA should handover 30m of containers of biz to M'sia?
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Originally posted by SGCar:
Actually if wanna compare, bendies can turn better than any DDs around. I still think bendies are much better, and it really benefits SMRT, as I still dun think SMRT will be getting DDs in near future, and more rigids will mean more drivers needed, I think LTA will somehow lift the ban one day.Cheers.
I like bendies for the fact that they can take on and offload pax at a very fast rate. One example would be service 184. When approaching Clementi MRT stop, the bus is packed to the door during peak hours. Meanwhile the amount of people waiting to board 184 at that stop will take up 3/4 of the bus. The time taken for this exchange of passengers is roughly 2-4mins, which is really fast. Not sure of the exact time, might have to check again when i got time.
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Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:
I like bendies for the fact that they can take on and offload pax at a very fast rate. One example would be service 184. When approaching Clementi MRT stop, the bus is packed to the door during peak hours. Meanwhile the amount of people waiting to board 184 at that stop will take up 3/4 of the bus. The time taken for this exchange of passengers is roughly 2-4mins, which is really fast. Not sure of the exact time, might have to check again when i got time.
end up it's e samedun forget you've omitted e fact there can be 3 - 4 buses waiting at 1 bus stop. typically, 3 DDs can clear (first 2 boarding/ alighting, 3rd alighting only).. for e bendies, only 1 can do both board/ alighting, 2nd one usually is alighting only
as for 184's case, alighting can be fast, but boarding time is still e same
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Originally posted by sbst275:
can take caution, but the bendies's speed is not controlled when turning it causes havoc as well. dun forget, our lanes are very narrow, even experienced drivers would also end up having to slow down esp right turn into YIS Int w/ right lane being e fast lane beside filter lane
I think it all boils down to e skill of e driver. We can end up drivers driving bendies as if it's a SDthose driving 20ft or 40ft TEU trailers, tat's their daily cari makan job. you can see how well they can steer the trailer safely
According to the Basic Theory Test book (Or Advance, cant rmbr as i read my friend's book. I havent taken the test yet), even if you are on the fast lane, its your responsibility to check for hazards and beside you when the road narrows down. If need be, you should slow down. A bendy bus's rear portion would not petrude alot into the lane, more or less only 1/10th of the lane, which isnt alot. Also, when approaching junctions you should slow your speed a little. This slowing can help you notice this hazard when the bus is turning, therefore if need be, the driver will signal first then check side mirrors and blindspot and change lanes if need be.
You havent seen trailer drivers who drove haphazardly. These monsters can be more deadlier than bendy buses.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
end up it's e samedun forget you've omitted e fact there can be 3 - 4 buses waiting at 1 bus stop. typically, 3 DDs can clear (first 2 boarding/ alighting, 3rd alighting only).. for e bendies, only 1 can do both board/ alighting, 2nd one usually is alighting only
as for 184's case, alighting can be fast, but boarding time is still e same
So, end up still the same also la. Both got its disadvantages and advantages.
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Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:
According to the Basic Theory Test book (Or Advance, cant rmbr as i read my friend's book. I havent taken the test yet), even if you are on the fast lane, its your responsibility to check for hazards and beside you when the road narrows down. If need be, you should slow down. A bendy bus's rear portion would not petrude alot into the lane, more or less only 1/10th of the lane, which isnt alot. Also, when approaching junctions you should slow your speed a little. This slowing can help you notice this hazard when the bus is turning, therefore if need be, the driver will signal first then check side mirrors and blindspot and change lanes if need be.
You havent seen trailer drivers who drove haphazardly. These monsters can be more deadlier than bendy buses.
it's theory not reality... dun mix driving theory w/ practical. If tat being e case, on Expressway I really gotta keep 9 - 10 vehicles apart when driving at 90kph
I can slow down, but e bendy driver has e responsiblility to control his/ her speed to reduce e bendy from touching other road user's lane as well
1/10 of e space it means a lot since our lane width is very narrow
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didnt c any kubs in KL today..
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i thought the KUBs are in penang?
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Originally posted by sbst275:
it's theory not reality... dun mix driving theory w/ practical. If tat being e case, on Expressway I really gotta keep 9 - 10 vehicles apart when driving at 90kph
I can slow down, but e bendy driver has e responsiblility to control his/ her speed to reduce e bendy from touching other road user's lane as well
1/10 of e space it means a lot since our lane width is very narrow
Haha ok. I agree on this part. The BC must drive responsibly.
I havent got any experience in practical driving, so i shall stop my comment here.
I also hope you would understand the fact that bendy buses have their good points and they aren't really that bad a bus to be on our roads.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Hvznpl0N2s
Sneak preview of Rapid Penang's Scania K230UB. Thy even commented on SBS Transit too.
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I'm wondering does Penang has Euro 4 diesel? Or they gotta get from their southern neighbour at Jurong?