SBS Transit invests $159mln in new buses from Scania & Volvo
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Originally posted by sexy girls:
How about the Scania? Is it confirmed they are using back Gemilang for the Scania?
One for all, All for one.
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Originally posted by SBS9364S:
900 new buses are meant to replace CRB, Merczs
Whereas 350 new buses on next year are meant to replace MK3s & lo3xs.
Provided no more further lifespan extension of LO3xs,
LO3xs would be deregistered on end on August 2010 (SBS9000S batch)
LO3xs registered earlier than VO2xs and VO3xs.
there are still around 100 WA Merc + around 140 DM CAC Merc + around 170 DM OAC Merc in SBST fleet right now. So should be around 400 Merc now.. There are still around 160 Euro V NOT registered now... Simple maths say that it is not enough at all to replace all the balance Merc even if we add in all the current SP Scania in the depot (which is around 78 buses)...
Further you are talking about 1 to 1 replacement of the fleet, but SBST have improve the frequency of its service by adding more buses (add S Shift). So where did the additional buses come from?
it is difficult to say which new buses are to replace which old buses.....
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I believe the installation of LECIP EDSes on the current VO3X batch 3 may be because of this planned order of the B9TL Euro V/Wright. Even though there are double deck buses current equipped with EDSes right now ( Dennis Trident/ 9889U/9810X), the number - 22 buses is probably too small to effectively do a trial of EDSes on various services. And also with the decreasing number of single/double deckers using plastic destos every few years, the next logical step is EDS for the newer fleet that's coming next year.
Then maybe the current CDGE B9's may go for a fitting of EDSes so by the time the VO3x 2nd batch goes, a full fleet of EDS DDs. - /daydreaming.
Apart from SBST aiming for a full fleet FAC, i think the next aim of SBST - full fleet EDS (no more coolair le)
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i'm always waiting for a Wright...and it came true...
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Originally posted by Raraken:
Apparently, the ADBlue tank uses up space + adds weight, so this may be why Comfort DelGro refuses to buy SCR buses. Or its more likely due to the massive numbers of buses they have, and the problem of acquiring that much AdBlue, and the storage of AdBlue as well. Apparently, if the OCs run out of AdBlue, they downrate themselves to go at a lower power output of around 210PS (just like the CPU in your com when it gets too hot) and to keep themselves in the Euro V emmsions , wasn't it? So it could be a logistics thing, too.
Anyway, since SBST bought an OC, and Mercedes Benz prefers SCR, wouldn't it be a hassle to procure AdBlue for ONE bus? Or do they put the OC at AM and then go buy AdBlue from SMRT AMDEP? Or does Mercedes Benz offer an EGR version of the OC, albeit with muted engine power?
The additional weight tanken up by AdBlue equipment is insignificant. For every 100L of diesel consumed by the engine, about 5-8L of AdBlue is required. The AdBlue tank on a bus usually holds around 40L and is adequate for well over 600km. Buses with EGR engines require larger, heavier radiators to cope with the additional thermal stresses than an EGR system delivers. The additional weight is therefore a non-issue.
When an SCR engine runs out of AdBlue, the engine management system will sense this and will operate the engine in 'limp mode' meaning that power will be severely restricted.
Do remember than Volvo's B9TL EEV requires AdBlue as well.
Regards,
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Originally posted by lemon1974:
there are still around 100 WA Merc + around 140 DM CAC Merc + around 170 DM OAC Merc in SBST fleet right now. So should be around 400 Merc now.. There are still around 160 Euro V NOT registered now... Simple maths say that it is not enough at all to replace all the balance Merc even if we add in all the current SP Scania in the depot (which is around 78 buses)...
Further you are talking about 1 to 1 replacement of the fleet, but SBST have improve the frequency of its service by adding more buses (add S Shift). So where did the additional buses come from?
it is difficult to say which new buses are to replace which old buses.....
Agreed with you. If there is no lifespan extension for most of Merczs, SBST is facing a severe shortage of buses. When all these buses had their lifespan extension, they had eased this problem. Now, AMDEP & SLBP had to lay-up Merczs (refurbished) early so as to make space for new Euro 5s or any other purposes as there are extra buses parking inside the depot.However, when all most of Circle Line Stations are opened, I believe some of bus routes would have their routes either amended or shortening due to duplication. Many communters would prefer taking MRTs than buses in order to save time.
Thus, less demand of buses are needed.
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Originally posted by off_service:
The EEVs are probably more stable (or steady) due to a slightly higher horsepower compared to the Euro IV K230s.
horsepower is just one of the factor in terms of bus grip.
With less grip, the bus sways more.reasons why a bus has less grip
- less heavy materials used leading to a lighter down force
- tyre grip
- size of bus, KUB seem to be more compact
- Horsepower and troque power.
we can;t say for sure that the new EEV has more grip due to more hosepower, because the HP rating is same. u shd say has more torque push.
u will find this grip discussion similair to F1 car grip.
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well did some one say WrightBus Gemini II for our B9TL coming order?
those are lovely bodywork. i myself have baorded a Wrightbus bodywork B10TL in Hong Kong and the interior rocks.
with compteporay designs and so many cruves. Even the PIS fits in well into the overall design.
ZYX
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Originally posted by ZYX2005:
well did some one say WrightBus Gemini II for our B9TL coming order?
those are lovely bodywork. i myself have baorded a Wrightbus bodywork B10TL in Hong Kong and the interior rocks.
with compteporay designs and so many cruves. Even the PIS fits in well into the overall design.
ZYX
hmm...those in HK fitted on VSOs are Wright Gemini Explorer if i'm not wrong.
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Originally posted by ZYX2005:
horsepower is just one of the factor in terms of bus grip.
With less grip, the bus sways more.reasons why a bus has less grip
- less heavy materials used leading to a lighter down force
- tyre grip
- size of bus, KUB seem to be more compact
- Horsepower and troque power.
we can;t say for sure that the new EEV has more grip due to more hosepower, because the HP rating is same. u shd say has more torque push.
u will find this grip discussion similair to F1 car grip.
how to compare bus with F1 car?
F1 car got much lower center of gravity and even weight distribution on the 4 wheels
Bus got higher center of gravity and that is why it got wider chassis than truck
I dun see the connection between the bus engine power and it road holding
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Originally posted by Powered_By_CNG:
The additional weight tanken up by AdBlue equipment is insignificant. For every 100L of diesel consumed by the engine, about 5-8L of AdBlue is required. The AdBlue tank on a bus usually holds around 40L and is adequate for well over 600km. Buses with EGR engines require larger, heavier radiators to cope with the additional thermal stresses than an EGR system delivers. The additional weight is therefore a non-issue.
When an SCR engine runs out of AdBlue, the engine management system will sense this and will operate the engine in 'limp mode' meaning that power will be severely restricted.
Do remember than Volvo's B9TL EEV requires AdBlue as well.
Regards,
DaveWhoops, I made a big mistake there. A 40-litre AdBlue tank should last 1250km, which means that it needs to be filled once for every two tanks of diesel used.
Regards,
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Originally posted by TIB537B:
I believe the installation of LECIP EDSes on the current VO3X batch 3 may be because of this planned order of the B9TL Euro V/Wright. Even though there are double deck buses current equipped with EDSes right now ( Dennis Trident/ 9889U/9810X), the number - 22 buses is probably too small to effectively do a trial of EDSes on various services. And also with the decreasing number of single/double deckers using plastic destos every few years, the next logical step is EDS for the newer fleet that's coming next year.
the order of the LECIP EDS probably came before the tender results were close to be known.... so SBST probably did not already plan to order B9TL's.
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double post...
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I realised SBS8033D bus interior and colour quite attractive; too bad only applied to one bus.
how I wish the next order of Scanias use back this design.
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Originally posted by TIB537B:
I believe the installation of LECIP EDSes on the current VO3X batch 3 may be because of this planned order of the B9TL Euro V/Wright. Even though there are double deck buses current equipped with EDSes right now ( Dennis Trident/ 9889U/9810X), the number - 22 buses is probably too small to effectively do a trial of EDSes on various services. And also with the decreasing number of single/double deckers using plastic destos every few years, the next logical step is EDS for the newer fleet that's coming next year.
Then maybe the current CDGE B9's may go for a fitting of EDSes so by the time the VO3x 2nd batch goes, a full fleet of EDS DDs. - /daydreaming.
Apart from SBST aiming for a full fleet FAC, i think the next aim of SBST - full fleet EDS (no more coolair le)
so the coming B9s eds gonna look like the LCEIP EDS?
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Originally posted by SBS7382C:
so the coming B9s eds gonna look like the LCEIP EDS?
LCEIP EDS?
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Originally posted by SBS7382C:
so the coming B9s eds gonna look like the LCEIP EDS?
we can only fascinate now, but i dun think LECIP eds will be good
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Originally posted by SBS7382C:
so the coming B9s eds gonna look like the LCEIP EDS?
Hanover perhaps? -
Originally posted by TIB537B:
Hanover perhaps?i think maybe LAWO also can
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Originally posted by SBS n SMRT:
i think maybe LAWO also can
CoolAir part deux
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Mobitec?
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Originally posted by sgbuses:
Mobitec?
LCD EDS? those HK types i think -
flip dots
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Originally posted by Stage:
flip dots
Paper Destos? -
Originally posted by TIB537B:
Paper Destos?
okay thats even worse than the current destos we have now