SBS Transit invests $159mln in new buses from Scania & Volvo
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Originally posted by Rk 2010:
Some of them cannot even appreciate what is given to them. Thats why they complain. this is part an parcel of life.
tell that to the STOMPERs too. and those who complaint to SBST/SMRT.we pay a fare, we expect comfortable and enjoyable journey.
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Originally posted by TIB537B:
.........Wrong
What modern commuters want nowadays, and what bus companies need to provide
is a comfortable and enjoyable journey.
the colours and stuffs, just hope they improve it because the brown isn't really nice imo, though i said before in my review, opinions will differ. I'd rather they also use different bodyworks for the upcoming buses because if a design fault is found, not all are affected.
I'm not the kind of person who mind much about the bus. As long as I board it and have a ride to the place I want, I will be happy. FYI, for all rides I have ever had, they were within the range of 65% to 90%. You can't really expect the company itself to listen to our own feedback all the time. They have their own choice for the interior and other stuff. I have said whatever I have said.
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Originally posted by Rk 2010:
I'm not the kind of person who mind much about the bus. As long as I board it and have a ride to the place I want, I will be happy. FYI, for all rides I have ever had, they were within the range of 65% to 90%. You can't really expect the company itself to listen to our own feedback all the time. They have their own choice for the interior and other. I have said whatever I have said.
im not forcing my opinions on SBST for that brown.Or K230UBs Euro IV massager. i said i just feel. lollet me repeat again, there are different types of passengers, some really expects a comfortable and nice journey while some just think gets to point A to B only.
Also, why does SBST listens to feedback? because their revenue comes from their customers who are the ones taking the buses. Suggesting something to improve on isn't wrong! i believe unless the suggestion is ridiculous, if not they'd probably take note and implement in the future!
Quoting an example, people feedback about the TIBS fabric seats. SMRT changes them to the more comfortable purple/red cushioned seats after being complaint/feedback about the issue.
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Originally posted by Rk 2010:
I'm not the kind of person who mind much about the bus. As long as I board it and have a ride to the place I want, I will be happy. FYI, for all rides I have ever had, they were within the range of 65% to 90%. You can't really expect the company itself to listen to our own feedback all the time. They have their own choice for the interior and other. I have said whatever I have said.
Agree... SBST does have many factors to consider when deciding to purchase new buses and how they plan the interior etc... SBST cant satisfy everyone....especially those "so called" bus fans on the designs/EDS/interior etc etc. The buses are for general public use... not for decoration purpose. Further i think SBST have done their own calculation and have their own reasons to purchase 1100 unit of Scania SDs.
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Originally posted by Rk 2010:
I'm not the kind of person who mind much about the bus. As long as I board it and have a ride to the place I want, I will be happy. FYI, for all rides I have ever had, they were within the range of 65% to 90%. You can't really expect the company itself to listen to our own feedback all the time. They have their own choice for the interior and other. I have said whatever I have said.
Interior is not the killer point for me. It's the vibration which rattles my teeth off.
As for the perception of the general public, none of my friends (i.e. not bus fans) are convinced, even with the new Scanias, that buses are a better mode of transport. They'd rather still stand and try to squeeze on the train all the way.
I think when some bus fans heard of Scanias on 502, more are going to prefer piling on the train anyway.
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Originally posted by lemon1974:
Agree... SBST does have many factors to consider when deciding to purchase new buses and how they plan the interior etc... SBST cant satisfy everyone....especially those "so called" bus fans on the designs/EDS/interior etc etc. The buses are for general public use... not for decoration purpose. Further i think SBST have done their own calculation and have their own reasons to purchase 1100 unit of Scania SDs.
I have made my point that opinions differ. Read : OPINIONS.
The EDS was feedbacked to SBST that the numbers can't be seen etc etc. then they bold, then they get hanover. The EDS couldn't satisfy the public?
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Originally posted by TIB537B:
I have made my point that opinions differ. Read : OPINIONS.
The EDS was feedbacked to SBST that the numbers can't be seen etc etc. then they bold, then they get hanover. The EDS couldn't satisfy the public?
Did i mention your name in my post? I mention EDS because some bus fans complain that they cant take pictures clearly with Cool Air EDS, who they think it is cheap cos make in China... and regarding your point , does SBST bold all the EDS for Batch 1/2? No right? If they want to bold, then should standardize and bold all the EDS..
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Originally posted by lemon1974:
Did i mention your name in my post? I mention EDS because some bus fans complain that they cant take pictures clearly with Cool Air EDS, who they think it is cheap cos make in China... and regarding your point , does SBST bold all the EDS for Batch 1/2? No right? If they want to bold, then should standardize and bold all the EDS..
Did i also mention you said it was me?I only said opinions differ after quoting your post in regards to your post!
That's how flaming/misunderstandings etc all happen because we can easily misunderstand our words on an internet forum.
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Originally posted by ^tamago^:
Haven't even go into production where to get pictures? :(
Want to see pictures?
read zaobao, got EEV KUB (SBS8911U) exterior pics on front page and interior pics on page 3.
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Originally posted by Scania:
There are afew more Body Builders in Singapore, Soon Chow isn't the only one.
Yes, but Soon Chow has a long term partnership with SBS and SBST already, for more than 30 years in precise, so I think Soon Chow is the most likely candidate.For those who keep on complaining about SBST buying the KUBs, please think before giving all those senseless posts. Buying bus fleets is not just choosing any brand you fancy and you say you want to buy and how many you want to buy and that's it, buy. I believe SBST would not just want or like to buy Scanias only if they have so many choices to make. They have to take in account of the price per chassis, the operating costs per chassis, the fuel consumption and fuel performance for that particular model, etc. If SBST really had wanted to just buy one brand only, then why is it SBST still bring in so many demonstrators from other brands as well??? Those demonstrators are there for a purpose, evaluation/consideration/more choices, and not just for show.
It is just too bad or maybe say too coincidence that Scania is able to convince SBST of its performance and other factors like operating and maintanance issues at this era, just like what Volvo did with the B10M in the 1990s and Mercedes Benz did with the OF1413s and OF1417s in the 70s and 80s.
Think Comfort cabs with Toyota Crown Comforts as well to relate the case.
IMPO, certainly I hope that SBST will buy some Mercedes Benz and Volvo or other brands of single deckers or even double deckers one day. But the environment now is different from what it is in the 1990s. Chassis were cheaper because there is no mandatory need for WAB and low floor buses, as such kind of buses tend to cost at higher prices. Things become more expensive nowadays, and operators need to maximize standardization to keep operating prices low. Even operators are using more cost effective bus bodies nowadays for new fleets, just like what it was in the 1970s and 1980s where SBS uses Soon Chow for almost all of its bus fleets. It is just that we are lucky that prices were reasonable in the 1990s that we could get to enjoy more of DM and Alexander products for SBS and TIBS buses. No matter how happy or unsatisfied with the new bus fleet being acquired, what the fact is, the operating environment now has changed, and ever since we stepped into the 21st century.
If there is no mandatory law for acquiring WAB chassis, I believe SBST will have a wider variety of brands and chassis to choose from, since acquiring other types of chassis might be cheaper than a WAB one. Plus they need to consider that the chassis and engine emissions have to be EURO IV at least, which I believe is not cheap too. On a personal note, I believe SBST's urgency to buy the 900 KUBs is because they have to meet the WAB bus criteria with the 2015 deadline and also it's LTA's fault that kicked in this stupid regulation too late. And thus the lag in deregistering of the O405s and N113CRBs. They should have make it mandatory since the early 2000s to allow operators to have more time for preparation.
For those who think taking buses are getting boring or interior that doesn't suit your fancy and because of less variety of buses, then I suggest you work hard, save up and get your own transport instead. Else live with it. Bus companies doesn't always satisfy such kind of fantasies.
On the last note, if you think that the current KUB interior is boring or whatever, then feedback to them instead of just complaining here. And feedback to them on more constructive issues on the improvements, such as the number of seats and widening the steps at the back aisle, etc. Just like what those improvements they did from the EURO IV batch to the EURO V EEV batch. I believe the next 200 KUBs can be even better than the EURO V EEV ones, if more feedbacks can be given to them, instead of just complaining and complaining and complaining...
Lastly stop flamming in this topic.
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Originally posted by vicamour:
Well said.
SBST is a business which needs to see profit.
Not an interest or hobby.
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Originally posted by TIB537B:
.........Wrong
What modern commuters want nowadays, and what bus companies need to provide
is a comfortable and enjoyable journey.
the colours and stuffs, just hope they improve it because the brown isn't really nice imo, though i said before in my review, opinions will differ. I'd rather they also use different bodyworks for the upcoming buses because if a design fault is found, not all are affected.
Honestly nobody cares la....until someone trips over the wheelchair ramp one day of course, which has in fact already happened.
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Originally posted by SBS3688Y:
I miss the days of the earlier bus scene when there are more types of bus models plying the roads (about a fleet of 100-300 per model); hence more different bus designs, bodyworks and also engine sounds. It helps to make travelling by bus less boring.
More varieties please!
It actually make more economical sense for them to buy all of the same models than have small different batches of buses.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
Honestly nobody cares la....until someone trips over the wheelchair ramp one day of course, which has in fact already happened.
well, u could also look at another perspective... at least tripping won't normally cause as much injury than falling down the stairs
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Originally posted by sBs_boy:
It actually make more economical sense for them to buy all of the same models than have small different batches of buses.
Gotta balance the advantages and disadvantages.The USAF went that way and look what happened when one of their F-15s crashed recently due to structural defect. Some parts of USA had to depend on their neighbours for air defense while the USAF did an investigation and fixed their planes.
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/facepalm
Sometimes cheap isn't the best. Know there is something called value for money?
I know some of you guys are trying to look from the perspective of the bus co, but sometimes its just plain ironic when we can see they used to buy better buses in the past.
If SBST seriously wants to increase their profits, they got alot to learn from SMRT, rather than having inefficiency.
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SBS9000S batch would be de-registered on 26th August 2010 (But provided no more lifespan extension).
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
Honestly nobody cares la....until someone trips over the wheelchair ramp one day of course, which has in fact already happened.
Your head la....then if that's the case you said...nobody in Singapore will ever complain about the bus "cleaniness", "old buses", "no new buses serving their estates".
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Originally posted by TIB537B:
Your head la....
Then you don't keep pushing your "its just my opinion" on others when they quote you. -
Originally posted by SBS2601D:
Then you don't keep pushing your "its just my opinion" on others when they quote you.
Im entitled to post my opinions in a public forum.I was never pushing/forcing my opinions on others.
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Originally posted by Scania:
Because my favourite bus was the N113CRBs.
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Originally posted by Stage:
looking forward to voith kub's if kub's are really the one bought.
So far, Scania's tradition is the usage of ZF transmission. From L113s to K95s, all were using ZF, non were Voith if i remember clearly. N113 were the exceptions. If im not wrong, i read some where that Scania engines were technically "non-compatible" with Voith transmission. Not sure how true that is.
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Originally posted by SBS1984E:
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