Past bus routes and deployment
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Thanks for the corrections! I realised that I wrongly typed 964 as AMDEP, supposingly its WLDEP.
Btw you made another mistake lol. 181 was renumbered as 961 on 27 Dec 1998, not Dec 2008.
As for 980, no wonder saw extra buses deploying on weekends on top of the existing fleet. At the time, Nissans were taken out from 980 and went to do 178, 187, 852. -
Originally posted by SBS8533C:
Thanks for the corrections! I realised that I wrongly typed 964 as AMDEP, supposingly its WLDEP.
Btw you made another mistake lol. 181 was renumbered as 961 on 27 Dec 1998, not Dec 2008.
As for 980, no wonder saw extra buses deploying on weekends on top of the existing fleet. At the time, Nissans were taken out from 980 and went to do 178, 187, 852.
Thanks, typo error
. Edited already.Service 980 under WLDEP in 2005-2006 was very jialat with the massive CAC Nissan UDs being deployed, and in Mar 2005 they were even perms like TIB1254K TIB1255H TIB1256E (TIB1256E was under WLDEP for a short while before going back to AMDEP again).
Another occasion was in mid 2006 where there was a sudden mass deployment of CSS CAC Nissan UDs on service 980. That was when some CSS regos just got repainted to SMRT livery. After some time out from 980 and did 187 instead, after which it landed on 852 perm in Mar 2008.
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Originally posted by SMB32T:
Thanks, typo error. Edited already.Service 980 under WLDEP in 2005-2006 was very jialat with the massive CAC Nissan UDs being deployed, and in Mar 2005 they were even perms like TIB1254K TIB1255H TIB1256E (TIB1256E was under WLDEP for a short while before going back to AMDEP again).
at that time still have a chance of mercz cameoing on 980? -
Originally posted by SBS8533C:
HISTORY OF TIBS SERVICES (Depot-Controlled). List exclude any crossovers, NR services & Premium service
902 - KJDEP [Woodalnds - Woodlands St 32; service replaced by 912]
902 - WLDEP [Woodalnds - Republic Poly]Woodlands
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Originally posted by One Harmonius Blend:
at that time still have a chance of mercz cameoing on 980?
A few times yes.. But merc on 980 at that time was uncommon. 980 likes to have secondary buses like Scania (ELBO, Strider), Dennis Lance rather than primary buses like the Merc O405s -
Originally posted by SMB32T:
Thanks, typo error. Edited already.Service 980 under WLDEP in 2005-2006 was very jialat with the massive CAC Nissan UDs being deployed, and in Mar 2005 they were even perms like TIB1254K TIB1255H TIB1256E (TIB1256E was under WLDEP for a short while before going back to AMDEP again).
Another occasion was in mid 2006 where there was a sudden mass deployment of CSS CAC Nissan UDs on service 980. That was when some CSS regos just got repainted to SMRT livery. After some time these a/m regos were out from 980 and did 187 instead, after which it landed on 852 perm in Mar 2008.
CSS188G CSS190K CSS191H CSS192E were the first batch of CSS buses repainted into SMRT livery in 2006, which was assigned to WLDEP. Later on CSS183U which was used as Engineering Roving Bus joined the SMRT fleet.
As CSS 608, which was the last SSB service running before its withdrawal, its fleet was downsized (partly due to drop in demand or commuters frequented the trunk services plying the city area, like CSS 602, 603 605 607), and since SSB becomes part of SMRT Buses, its fleet was transferred to SMRT.
It's buses used were only Nissans. The modern ones like DAF Hispano and a Dennis Lance were taken out from CSS in 2004. You still can see an ex-CSS Dennis Lance running under SMRT Buses and DAF Hispanos were exported and commissionised in NZ. -
Originally posted by SBS8533C:
CSS188G CSS190K CSS191H CSS192E were the first batch of CSS buses repainted into SMRT livery in 2006, which was assigned to WLDEP. Later on CSS183U which was used as Engineering Roving Bus joined the SMRT fleet.
As CSS 608, which was the last SSB service running before its withdrawal, its fleet was downsized (partly due to drop in demand or commuters frequented the trunk services plying the city area, like CSS 602, 603 605 607), and since SSB becomes part of SMRT Buses, its fleet was transferred to SMRT.
It's buses used were only Nissans. The modern ones like DAF Hispano and a Dennis Lance were taken out from CSS in 2004. You still can see an ex-CSS Dennis Lance running under SMRT Buses and DAF Hispanos were exported and commissionised in NZ.
CSS189D CSS190Z CSS191X CSS192T were the 1st batch of CAC Nissans to be repainted to SMRT livery in May 2006, followed by CSS188G CSS193R CSS194M in Nov 2006.CSS183U was the 1st OAC Nissan UD from CSS repainted in SMRT livery and it was based in WLDEP since then. Eventually became WLDEP 980 perm doing split shift. Taken off from 980 in May 2008 when WLDEP handed over 2 duties to AMDEP.
The ex CSS Dennis Lance has been re-regoed to TIB1257C and is currently perm on AMDEP 980.
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Originally posted by SBS8533C:
A few times yes.. But merc on 980 at that time was uncommon. 980 likes to have secondary buses like Scania (ELBO, Strider), Dennis Lance rather than primary buses like the Merc O405slike 178 in the past? don't remember seeing any though, at that time flooded with UDs from 07- end of 08
Saw some mercz doing 980 before, 504X and 793C are some of them
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Originally posted by SBS8533C:
Another correction that I wanted to point out on one of the Jurong East services:
At start when 97 was introduced in 1983... the service used to be from Jurong East Ctrl Ter to Shenton Way operating in peak hours. When sv 86 was integrated with Service 97, service 97 was then extended to Hougang (South) Int on 20 Dec 1983 and converted into a full day service.
86 used to serve from Hougang (South) to Shenton Way for a short period of time, when the 3 roadside terminals being abolished on the same year itself.97 merged with 86 to form the pre-2003 route?
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Originally posted by iveco:
97 merged with 86 to form the pre-2003 route?
Yes, but close to 95%. Except that sv 97 was amended to Hougang Central interchange when it was opened in Dec 1994. -
Originally posted by One Harmonius Blend:
like 178 in the past? don't remember seeing any though, at that time flooded with UDs from 07- end of 08
Saw some mercz doing 980 before, 504X and 793C are some of them
Scania Striders/ELBOs that mostly do 75, 187, 852, 961, 970, 980 also do appear on 178.
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Originally posted by SMB32T:
CSS189D CSS190Z CSS191X CSS192T were the 1st batch of CAC Nissans to be repainted to SMRT livery in May 2006, followed by CSS188G CSS193R CSS194M in Nov 2006.CSS183U was the 1st OAC Nissan UD from CSS repainted in SMRT livery and it was based in WLDEP since then. Eventually became WLDEP 980 perm doing split shift. Taken off from 980 in May 2008 when WLDEP handed over 2 duties to AMDEP.
The ex CSS Dennis Lance has been re-regoed to TIB1257C and is currently perm on AMDEP 980.
Later on CSS200D and CSS203X joined in the SMRT fleet, just months before the CSS 608 demise. -
CHANGI AIRPORT BUS SERVICES - SERVICE 393 & 395
If you compare the Changi Airport Bus Guide 1981 and the Bus Guide 1982, you would notice that 390, 391, 392, 394, 395 only printed on the Bus Guide 1982. Look at the Service 395 route and compare the 1981 route. Its 1981 route shows that 393 was from Somapah to Cargo Cplx while 395 was from Bedok to Cargo Cplx, whereas if you look and compare accurately between the 1981 and 1982 routes, 395 was made to loop at Somapah Int via Up Changi Rd East based on the Bus Guide 1982, where 393 used to terminate. That means 395 was merged with Service 393 on 2 November 1981, owing to the low passenger demand for 393. -
stop posting dumb bus schedules here,,,,,,,,,,,u can have a disco in yer bus and have 100 people dancing inside for all we care..........are u using sgforum cuz yer bus company dont have an internet website of its own in order to comunicate and work effectivelyamongst its ranks ???
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Originally posted by TERMINATOR3000:
stop posting dumb bus schedules here,,,,,,,,,,,u can have a disco in yer bus and have 100 people dancing inside for all we care..........are u using sgforum cuz yer bus company dont have an internet website of its own in order to comunicate and work effectivelyamongst its ranks ???
Stop wasting the bandwidth by posting such narrow-minded comments in here please. Get your eyes off the threads then, no one is forcing you to check out their posts over here. Sgforums is free for all, like it of not.
I suggest to you is to check your attitude first before commenting on others.
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Originally posted by SBS8533C:
CHANGI AIRPORT BUS SERVICES - SERVICE 393 & 395
If you compare the Changi Airport Bus Guide 1981 and the Bus Guide 1982, you would notice that 390, 391, 392, 394, 395 only printed on the Bus Guide 1982. Look at the Service 395 route and compare the 1981 route. Its 1981 route shows that 393 was from Somapah to Cargo Cplx while 395 was from Bedok to Cargo Cplx, whereas if you look and compare accurately between the 1981 and 1982 routes, 395 was made to loop at Somapah Int via Up Changi Rd East based on the Bus Guide 1982, where 393 used to terminate. That means 395 was merged with Service 393 on 2 November 1981, owing to the low passenger demand for 393.
Finalised route of 395:
Via Bedok North Avenue 1, Bedok South Road, Bedok South Avenue 1, Upper Changi Road East, make a loop at Somapah Interchange, Upper Changi Road East, Loyang Avenue, Telok Paku Road, Nicoll Drive, Coastal Road and Cargo Complex.
And return via Coastal Road, Nicoll Drive, Telok Paku Road, Loyang Avenue, Upper Changi Road East, make a loop at Somapah Interchange, Upper Changi Road East, Bedok South Avenue 1, Bedok South Road and New Upper Changi Road.
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Originally posted by SBS8533C:
Finalised route of 395:
Via Bedok North Avenue 1, Bedok South Road, Bedok South Avenue 1, Upper Changi Road East, make a loop at Somapah Interchange, Upper Changi Road East, Loyang Avenue, Telok Paku Road, Nicoll Drive, Coastal Road and Cargo Complex.
And return via Coastal Road, Nicoll Drive, Telok Paku Road, Loyang Avenue, Upper Changi Road East, make a loop at Somapah Interchange, Upper Changi Road East, Bedok South Avenue 1, Bedok South Road and New Upper Changi Road.
Unlikely to be BDK Sth Ave 1 as it wasn't until recently that right turning was allowed from that road into New Upp Changi Rd.My guess is BDK Sth Ave 3, like route 38.
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Originally posted by ZYX2005:(Page 4)
The 1973 unification
Note on bus regos
the time came for the ABC ABS and UBC to come as one. to form SSBS, this is 1970,
buses in those days were being bought a lot by the current UBC ABS and ABC. they were registereed SH
in 1971 with nothing happening towards full unity, the govt stepped in. this was when SBS bus regos begin to appear.
Essentially they took all the ABS ABC UBC buses and re-registered everyone. even those at the vehcile registeration compoud etc with current SH rego registered 1 month earlier, were to get SBS regos.A system was decided upon.
Buses belonging to each company (ABC UBC ABS ) were to msotly remain in their own depots. However, to balance out and to introduce new routes, some of the company buses are to "Depot trasnfer".Now they have to decide which places are to be depots.
After that they decided to number the buses according to depot.
ListALDEP
ALExnadra Depot
(Ex Hock lee then later ABC) - SBS 1xxx
(SSo if u were registered SBS1144, it just means u are the 144th bus to be registered there)
BDDEP
Bedok Depot (Location near to Somapah Bus Interchange)
(Origins unknown - awaiting Mike davis 2nd book) - SBS 2xxx
WLDEP
Woodlands Depot (Location - as stated by u guys, kranji there)
(origins likely UBC depot, prob belonged to tay Koh yat) - Svc 170 bsues come inside here to refuel.If I was riding a svc 170 MB oF1413 then I would have had the opporutinity to visit a depot whilst remain on bus as they refuel. I have heard stories of them even banging on advertisement panels while u were refuleing.
WLDEP
SBS 3xxx
BNDEP
Bedok NORTH Depot
Built duirng SBS days
SBS 4xxx
AMKDEP
Ang Mo Kio Depot
built during SBS days
SBS 5xxx
TPDEP
toa payoh Depot
Built during SBS days - HQ is located here
Later renamed BRAM .
SBS 6xxx
JRDEP
Jurong Depot
Built during SBS days
SBS 7xxx
Note - Buses registered after 1984 do not follow depot registeration rules. the rule was dropped by mid or early 80s.
Note- the above does not explain how some 600xx UDs ended up in BNDEP in 1975 or 1976. Perhaps a depot trasnfer is unknown. 40xx UDs were certainly under BNDEPZYX
Sorry, if i quoted your page 4 post on depots of the 1970s.
The depot along Yio Chu Kang Road wasn't known as Ang Mo Kio Depot. But, Paya Lebar Depot. -
Originally posted by SBS8533C:
Scania Striders/ELBOs that mostly do 75, 187, 852, 961, 970, 980 also do appear on 178.
A few times Scania strider from 167 appear on 178.167 buses are interchangeable with 178 perms, thats why
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Originally posted by One Harmonius Blend:
167 buses are interchangeable with 178 perms, thats why
To add on that service 167 in the past also had massive Nissan UD cameos from WLDEP, same for service 75 and 961. The Nissan UDs gradually disappeared from these services when they officially became perm 178 in late 2004. -
Originally posted by SMB32T:
To add on that service 167 in the past also had massive Nissan UD cameos from WLDEP, same for service 75 and 961. The Nissan UDs gradually disappeared from these services when they officially became perm 178 in late 2004.so when did 368Y-376Z officially become perms on 178?
and after the UDs came on, is it rare for mercz cameos to come on 178?
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Originally posted by One Harmonius Blend:
167 buses are interchangeable with 178 perms, thats why
Not interchangeable. When the term "interchangeable" is used, it normally means something like the old system for Svc 900/901,Svc 920/922 and Svc 941/945/947 whereby the perms will swop services every single week, maintaining the same group of buses for that entire week. Example will be something like this:Svc 900 and Svc 901 perms (then) were: TIB904A TIB999B TIB1049L TIB1181L TIB1183G TIB1222C (TIB1245L is out as the bus is perm 900S151 and does not rotate, TIB447C is out because the bus was never interchanged between both services)
For one week, Svc 900 takes TIB904A TIB1049L TIB1181L TIB1222C (TIB1245L) and Service 901 takes (TIB447C) TIB999B TIB1183G. This pattern goes on for a week, then next week the 6 buses that are interchangeable would form another pattern that goes on for the next week and so on.
The example of Svc 167 and Svc 178 would not be interchangeable, but more of a cameo basis because the buses do not rotate around and stay in the same pattern for a single week. It is just that the Svc 167 bus appears on Svc 178 for a day, just like how a cameo should, although it happens more than once. Using the term "interchangeable" for this example, doesn't it mean that all buses from all services are "interchangeable" with each other just by appearing on another service for a day?
As for Merz cameos after UDs came to perm 178, it is not really counted as rare, but more of uncommon ... ...
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Originally posted by TIB1049L:
Not interchangeable. When the term "interchangeable" is used, it normally means something like the old system for Svc 900/901,Svc 920/922 and Svc 941/945/947 whereby the perms will swop services every single week, maintaining the same group of buses for that entire week. Example will be something like this:The example of Svc 167 and Svc 178 would not be interchangeable, but more of a cameo basis because the buses do not rotate around and stay in the same pattern for a single week. It is just that the Svc 167 bus appears on Svc 178 for a day, just like how a cameo should, although it happens more than once. Using the term "interchangeable" for this example, doesn't it mean that all buses from all services are "interchangeable" with each other just by appearing on another service for a day?
interchangeability don't happen everyday/week, only on an occasional basis
TIB 649L,662Y and 663U are some of them that did 178 before, and on a full day basis, who says they arent? 670Z and 674M did 167 before
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Originally posted by One Harmonius Blend:
They did. But not in a FULL WEEK basis. As in they did the full day slots, but not for an entire week ... ... occasional basis is known as a CAMEO -
Originally posted by One Harmonius Blend:
so when did 368Y-376Z officially become perms on 178?
and after the UDs came on, is it rare for mercz cameos to come on 178?
That was somewhere after service 950 was introduced in Sept 2004. Some of the Mercs from services 75, 167, 961, 963 (just to name a few) went over to do service 950, this services in return got hold of some OAC Scanias from services 178 and 980. In return, service 178 kana some Nissan UD perms (both OAC and ex-CSS CACs which were re-regoed), whereas some of service 980's duties were transferred over to AMDEP. And in 2006 service 178 officially became a full Nissan UD fleet.Note that some of the ex-CSS Nissans also did Bt Panjang feeders before but they were never perms.
As for the Mercs on service 178, I would say that they do cameo once in a while only.