Past bus routes and deployment
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Originally posted by SBS8533C:
It got mixed up with Mk3, partly because of the WA bodywork.. MK2 and MK3 WA bodywork are looked alike.
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Originally posted by SBS8533C:
Sentosa Mk IIIs came from HGDEP. 20 Mk3s (SBS616A to SBS635U) were first seen temporarily serving on Sentosa Services while waiting for the new PSV Soon Chows to be served on Sentosa Services.
SBS636S - SBS640D did not serve Sentosa Services. It was first posted to BBDEP for 190.HGDEP? That far away? Wouldn't it be better for ARBP to take charge considering the closer distance to Sentosa?
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Originally posted by iveco:
HGDEP? That far away? Wouldn't it be better for ARBP to take charge considering the closer distance to Sentosa?
No. A bus operating from somewhere far away doesn't need to be under control of a depot that is nearer to boarding or terminating points. e.g. Some Premium services like 532, 533 in under HGDEP control despite that they did not serve places nearer to Hougang. -
Originally posted by SBS8533C:
Sentosa Mk IIIs came from HGDEP. 20 Mk3s (SBS616A to SBS635U) were first seen temporarily serving on Sentosa Services while waiting for the new PSV Soon Chows to be served on Sentosa Services.
SBS636S - SBS640D did not serve Sentosa Services. It was first posted to BBDEP for 190.
I remembered SBS640D went over to BBDEP 156 later on when 190 started to receive the LO3x Superbuses in late 1993. -
Originally posted by SMB32T:
This is what I can remember for 2) and 3):-2) If I remember correctly 169 had mainly Nissan Diesel U31F and Hino HT228KA fleets.
3) Service 169 started to have bendies in year 2000 which appears only as a trial on weekday peak hours. Only in Mar 2001 service 169 was introduced with perm bendy fleets.
Originally posted by SBS8533C:
169 & 178 used to have DDs during its SBS era. Probably in the 1980s. The only DDs were used are the Leyland Atlanteans.
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Originally posted by SBS8533C:
SBS1637H - SBS1682B and SBS1690C - SBS1695P.
* SBS1683Z - SBS1689H aren't registered at that time.
As mentioned, the Mk III on Sentosa Services were only temporary. When the PSV Soon Chows arrived, these MK3s were then removed from Sentosa Svc and put on revenue service and were based at HGDEP.
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Originally posted by The_Bus_Guide:
I don't remember any dates but the chronology of events is something like this. In the beginning, the only access to JW N9 was via Pioneer Rd Nth. Both 99 and 188 would turn in from Upp Jurong Rd (now JW Ave 3). When N7 and N8 were occupied, it was 188 which was first amended via Ave 5 & St 72. Eventually, 99 was also amended along the same route and everything was cool until the opening of Boon Lay Int/MRT.
175 was amended and 242 was introduced. So, for a while, JW St 91 was happily served by 4 services: 99, 175, 188, 242. Service 175 was a CMI case after its amendment. The buses were always empty, although it was nice to see an Albion Viking going round the bends. :-) And so, due to poor ridership, its sayonara 175.
As for 188's case, its duplication. The main purpose for 188 was for the JW Ext residents to gain access to Jurong Bus Interchange and Lakeside MRT. So when the MRT and interchange at Boon Lay was completed, it became redundant and its ridership wasn't as strong as before. And so, arrivederchi 188 and we are left with 2 services again; 99, 242.
Then somewhere along the line came 243. If I'm not mistaken, when 243 came, it took over the route via JW St 72, Ave 5 & Pioneer Rd Nth. 242 was amended to go via Upp Jurong Rd, Pioneer Rd Nth. This chapter was a bit confusing as changes took place back and forth between 242 and 243. Eventually when St 81 was completed and 243 was made to serve that area while 242 got back its original route.
Route enhancements were made to 243 later on but as far as 99 and 242 were concerned, that was the end of the story until 2009, when Pioneer MRT was opened and I'm sure everyone knew what happened then. ;-)
That's the end of my long winded tale. This is pure memory work from my experience as a JW resident of over 20 years. There's bound to be mistakes and some things which I've missed out. Hence, I'd like to apologise beforehand. Thank you.
There's two errors in your history.1st: Service 242 was not introduced in when 175 was amended in 1990. It actually existed in 1978 from Jurong to Kang Ching Rd. Amended to Boon Lay in 1990, but I'm not sure when is it amended to St 91 & 92.
2nd: In this sentence '99 was also amended along the same route and everything was cool until the opening of Boon Lay Int', this is incorrect as you are making others to believe that 99 was amended to Ave 5 & St 72 before the opening of Boon Lay Int. 99 was actually amended in 1991.
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Originally posted by SBS8533C:
========= WORLD TRADE CENTRE / HARBOURFRONT BUS SERVICES HISTORY =============
Well, its long overdue for the WTC bus services history, so I should carry on posting the info here.
A SHORT HISTORY...
Back then, that plot of land near Seah Im Rd/Telok Blangah Rd were solely belonged to the former Port of Singapore Authority (PSA). In its meantime, commuters would alight from one bus stop facing directly or just opposite the WTC to head the venue for its exhibition. These services were NEVER terminate at the roadside around the WTC though, but these existing buses came from Alexandra Rd / Tanjong Pagar Rd (near Anson Rd)
SBS had negotiated with the PSA to built a new bus terminal at WTC in 1983. A possible site - at Seah Im Rd / Telok Blangah Rd was drawn out by PSA, and its proposal of the new bus terminal at WTC is to improve the bus services at WTC, though there is a growing demand of bus services that served WTC. Before the terminus was made to fully fledged its existing bus services terminating at the two terminus, the agony comes to waiting for a bus scheduling to pass by the WTC and its terminus was the main purpose to better serve the commuters who are heading to WTC.
The WTC bus terminus was completed at the end of 1984, with existing SBS Services CBD 1, 84, 93, 100 & 163, and TIBS 167 & 180 serving the new WTC terminus. It commenced its operations on 13th Jan 1985, replacing the Tg Pagar Rd and Aleaandra Rd Terminus.
(The terminus was being upgraded in par with the new North East Line connectivity, and was renamed as "Harbour Front Interchange".
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SERVICES AT WTC BUS TERMINUS
CBD 1 - World Trade Ctr to Orchard Rd (Loop) - Service was extended from Marina Centre to World Trade Centre.
84 - World Trade Ctr to Upp Serangoon
93 - World Trade Ctr to Paya Lebar Airport (Loop)
100 - World Trade Ctr to Serangoon Gaden
163 - World Trade Ctr to Jln Kayu
167 - World Trade Ctr to Admiralty Rd West
180 - World Trade Ctr to Admiralty Rd (Marsiling Est)
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CURRENT SERVICES AT HARBOURFRONT INTERCHANGE
65 - HarbourFront to Tampines
80 - HarbourFront to Sengkang
93 - HarbourFront to Eunos
188 - HarbourFront to Choa Chu Kang
855 - HarbourFront to Yishun
963 - HarbourFront to Woodlands Reg Int
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SERVICES EVER TERMINATED AT WTC TERMINAL / HARBOURFRONT INTERCHANGE
84 - Hougang Ctrl to WTC (Service withdrawn)
85 - Sengkang to WTC (Harbourfront) (Service withdrawn due to NEL Rationalisation)
521 - Bt Panjang to WTC (Service renumbered to 963, with the extension of Woodlands Reg Int)
865 - Sengkang to WTC (Service renumbered to 85, when 865 became SBS)
NR1 - Harbourfront To Yishun (Service extended to RWS)
NR6 - Harbourfront To Sengkang (Service extended to RWS)
In addition, Express Services 188E and 963E also serves the HarbourFront Int and 2 special Parks Services, 408 to Labrador Pk (12 Mar) and 409 to Mount Faber (14 Nov) were introduced both in 2005.Thanks for the history.
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Originally posted by SBS8533C:
1) Service 5 only plies Pending Rd (Os Bt Panjang CC). It continues its route from Bt Panjang Rd onwards by turning left to reach Blk 113 bus stop.
2) It plies Bt Panjang Rd and continuing its route from BKE onwards.
For 1), I know. But what my point is that strech of road from Blk 113 bus stop to Blk 174 bus stop, as stated in TL Guide 1995, is known as Pending Road. Why was it renamed as Bukit Panjang Road? -
Originally posted by SBS & TIBS:
There's two errors in your history.1st: Service 242 was not introduced in when 175 was amended in 1990. It actually existed in 1978 from Jurong to Kang Ching Rd. Amended to Boon Lay in 1990, but I'm not sure when is it amended to St 91 & 92.
2nd: In this sentence '99 was also amended along the same route and everything was cool until the opening of Boon Lay Int', this is incorrect as you are making others to believe that 99 was amended to Ave 5 & St 72 before the opening of Boon Lay Int. 99 was actually amended in 1991.
I haven't got anything concrete but as I recall, when Boon Lay Interchange was opened there was no 242. 242 was introduced as a new service. The old 242 was withdrawn.
As for the 2nd point, I've always thought that the amendment to 99 was done earlier. You may be right on this one.
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Originally posted by The_Bus_Guide:
I haven't got anything concrete but as I recall, when Boon Lay Interchange was opened there was no 242. 242 was introduced as a new service. The old 242 was withdrawn.
As for the 2nd point, I've always thought that the amendment to 99 was done earlier. You may be right on this one.
For your 1st point, SBS & TIBS told me that he got the information from Sgwiki, but when I check the SBS bus guide 1979, the old 242 and current 242 routes are totally different. Maybe what you say is correct. -
Originally posted by Gus.chong:
For 1), I know. But what my point is that strech of road from Blk 113 bus stop to Blk 174 bus stop, as stated in TL Guide 1995, is known as Pending Road. Why was it renamed as Bukit Panjang Road?
There was an error, as the TL Guide 1995 was under processing to the new system on bus routes (i.e. instead of showing the road name on a service it plied, it shows the full details of the bus stops and the fare stage). The previous editions of the TL Guide (1992-1994) only shown the roads on a service it plied. Nothing else.
Errors spotted include:
184 - BUKIT PANJANG TERRACE instead of BUKIT PANJANG TERMINAL
153 - Still put BUKIT MERAH - UPPER SERANGOON, although it was stated that it termiantes at Hougang Ctrl Int. -
Originally posted by iveco:
HGDEP? That far away? Wouldn't it be better for ARBP to take charge considering the closer distance to Sentosa?
It was only a temporary deployment. The Mk III in HGDEP doing Sentosa Svcs would then go to do HGDEP svcs and some went to BBDEP, which i didn't mention earlier.
SBS628R - SBS635U then depot transfer to BBDEP while SBS616A - SBS627T stayed at HGDEP. -
Originally posted by iveco:
You mean DM? Mk III never had WA bodies.
Mk III (Mk3) had WA bodies, it does not have DM.
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Originally posted by SBS8533C:
There was an error, as the TL Guide 1995 was under processing to the new system on bus routes (i.e. instead of showing the road name on a service it plied, it shows the full details of the bus stops and the fare stage). The previous editions of the TL Guide (1992-1994) only shown the roads on a service it plied. Nothing else.
Errors spotted include:
184 - BUKIT PANJANG TERRACE instead of BUKIT PANJANG TERMINAL
153 - Still put BUKIT MERAH - UPPER SERANGOON, although it was stated that it termiantes at Hougang Ctrl Int.Oh. As I own a TL Guide 1995 I knew there are more errors but it is not necessary to pull them out at once.
Can you tell what happening between the route of two types of 242 as stated by The_Bus_Guide?
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Originally posted by SBS8533C:
Mk III (Mk3) had WA bodies, it does not have DM.
Mk II (Mk2) & MB O405 had WA/DM.
Dude,Please take one of our venerable and reliable workhorses that raised our standards for public buses and check the bodywork before you correct him...and then we have to correct you again.
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Originally posted by Gus.chong:
For your 1st point, SBS & TIBS told me that he got the information from Sgwiki, but when I check the SBS bus guide 1979, the old 242 and current 242 routes are totally different. Maybe what you say is correct.
24X was not even Boon Lay Svs to begin with, they're Jurong Int Svs. There was no Boon Lay Int or Jurong West New Town at all
. Tat time PIE still u/c . Jurong Rd stretched from Jln Bahar to Upp Bt Timah Rd . 174 served Nanyang University .240: Jurong Int > Taman Jurong > Boon Lay Gardens. With shift to Boon Lay Int w/ MRT commencement on 6 Jul 1990, became Boon Lay Int > Boon Lay Gardens > Taman Jurong & loop at Jln Ahmad Ibrahim
241: Jurong Int - Teban Gardens. Became Jurong East > Teban Gardens on 6 Jul 1990 (shift together with Sv 78/ 245) and renumbered to 331 in 1999. Rationalised in 2002 - 2003 w/ 51 & 143 taking over parts of the route.
242: Jurong Int > Taman Jurong: Likely to have been a peak hour service. Withdrawn and reintroduced initially as stop gap sv as MRT commencement (The MRT reached Lakeside by late 1989). Lakeside MRT > Jurong West N9.
Later became Boon Lay Int > Jurong West N9.
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Originally posted by Gus.chong:
No. A bus operating from somewhere far away doesn't need to be under control of a depot that is nearer to boarding or terminating points. e.g. Some Premium services like 532, 533 in under HGDEP control despite that they did not serve places nearer to Hougang.
Tat's ops because of x-overThe bus would do 1 trip say on Sv 166 from Ang Mo Kio > Clementi before off service to Bt Panjang to do 555.
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Originally posted by SBS8533C:
========= WORLD TRADE CENTRE / HARBOURFRONT BUS SERVICES HISTORY =============
Well, its long overdue for the WTC bus services history, so I should carry on posting the info here.
A SHORT HISTORY...
Back then, that plot of land near Seah Im Rd/Telok Blangah Rd were solely belonged to the former Port of Singapore Authority (PSA). In its meantime, commuters would alight from one bus stop facing directly or just opposite the WTC to head the venue for its exhibition. These services were NEVER terminate at the roadside around the WTC though, but these existing buses came from Alexandra Rd / Tanjong Pagar Rd (near Anson Rd)
SBS had negotiated with the PSA to built a new bus terminal at WTC in 1983. A possible site - at Seah Im Rd / Telok Blangah Rd was drawn out by PSA, and its proposal of the new bus terminal at WTC is to improve the bus services at WTC, though there is a growing demand of bus services that served WTC. Before the terminus was made to fully fledged its existing bus services terminating at the two terminus, the agony comes to waiting for a bus scheduling to pass by the WTC and its terminus was the main purpose to better serve the commuters who are heading to WTC.
The WTC bus terminus was completed at the end of 1984, with existing SBS Services CBD 1, 84, 93, 100 & 163, and TIBS 167 & 180 serving the new WTC terminus. It commenced its operations on 13th Jan 1985, replacing the Tg Pagar Rd and Aleaandra Rd Terminus.
(The terminus was being upgraded in par with the new North East Line connectivity, and was renamed as "Harbour Front Interchange".
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SERVICES AT WTC BUS TERMINUS
CBD 1 - World Trade Ctr to Orchard Rd (Loop) - Service was extended from Marina Centre to World Trade Centre.
84 - World Trade Ctr to Upp Serangoon
93 - World Trade Ctr to Paya Lebar Airport (Loop)
100 - World Trade Ctr to Serangoon Gaden
163 - World Trade Ctr to Jln Kayu
167 - World Trade Ctr to Admiralty Rd West
180 - World Trade Ctr to Admiralty Rd (Marsiling Est)
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CURRENT SERVICES AT HARBOURFRONT INTERCHANGE
65 - HarbourFront to Tampines
80 - HarbourFront to Sengkang
93 - HarbourFront to Eunos
188 - HarbourFront to Choa Chu Kang
855 - HarbourFront to Yishun
963 - HarbourFront to Woodlands Reg Int
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SERVICES EVER TERMINATED AT WTC TERMINAL / HARBOURFRONT INTERCHANGE
84 - Hougang Ctrl to WTC (Service withdrawn)
85 - Sengkang to WTC (Harbourfront) (Service withdrawn due to NEL Rationalisation)
521 - Bt Panjang to WTC (Service renumbered to 963, with the extension of Woodlands Reg Int)
865 - Sengkang to WTC (Service renumbered to 85, when 865 became SBS)
NR1 - Harbourfront To Yishun (Service extended to RWS)
NR6 - Harbourfront To Sengkang (Service extended to RWS)
In addition, Express Services 188E and 963E also serves the HarbourFront Int and 2 special Parks Services, 408 to Labrador Pk (12 Mar) and 409 to Mount Faber (14 Nov) were introduced both in 2005.I thought Serangoon to World Trade Center should be service 101?
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Originally posted by vicamour:
I thought Serangoon to World Trade Center should be service 101?
If I remember correctly, old service 101 was an OMO flat fare service from Serangoon to loop at New Bridge Road. Correct me if I am wrong.Service 100 in the past terminate at WTC, extended to Ghim Moh from its current route somewhere in 1990.
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Originally posted by SBS8533C:
Sv 169 note (a fact that some might not have know it):
It was the first bus service to get the new Nissan U31F (TIB43J and TIB44G) beside the pioneer batch of Hino RK176 when Sv 169 became TIBS on 5th June 1983.
I remember TIB91U TIB93P TIB94L TIB97D TIB98B also did service 169 from AMDEP too, until 169 was converted to PAC in 1995. I dun think 169 had any perm Hino RK176s before, it did have Hino HT228KA (TIB146X to TIB250C batch) from what I can remember.Service 160 and 167 were the services that used to have Hino RK176 fleets all those while back in 1990s and they were the 1st 2 services to be taken over by Tibs in Apr 1983. However service 167 switched to Nissan Diesel U31SCN fleet after the withdrawal of services 161 and 850 in late 1992.
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Originally posted by SMB32T:
If I remember correctly, old service 101 was an OMO flat fare service from Serangoon to loop at New Bridge Road. Correct me if I am wrong.Service 100 in the past terminate at WTC, extended to Ghim Moh from its current route somewhere in 1990.
101 was from Serangoon to New Bridge Road and it was withdrawn in Dec 1990.100 was amended to WTC from Prince Edward Road in 1985 together with 167, but I don't know when was it amended once again.
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Originally posted by SMB32T:
If I remember correctly, old service 101 was an OMO flat fare service from Serangoon to loop at New Bridge Road. Correct me if I am wrong.Service 100 in the past terminate at WTC, extended to Ghim Moh from its current route somewhere in 1990.
Sv. 100 was extended to Ghim Moh when sv. 20 was withdrawn. At the same time, sv. 111 was made to end at Ghim Moh from Buona Vista when sv. 13 was amended to Yio Chu Kang. Two of my early childhood SBS services gone in one sweep.
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Originally posted by The_Bus_Guide:
Sv. 100 was extended to Ghim Moh when sv. 20 was withdrawn. At the same time, sv. 111 was made to end at Ghim Moh from Buona Vista when sv. 13 was amended to Yio Chu Kang. Two of my early childhood SBS services gone in one sweep.
Add on service 191 which terminated at Ghim Moh when newly introduced. 191 was later amended to terminate at Buona Vista instead.Service 13 was amended to Yio Chu Kang instead of Ghim Moh and on the same day it was upgraded to full aircon service.
Question:
Which aircon bus model did services 13 and 76 had before the OAC Merc 0405s rolled into service in 1990?