Opening of new Boon Lay Interchange on 27 Dec 09 (Sun)
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Originally posted by chickenlittle2:
Indeed most of the services practicing jump bus have irregular frequency. Just like svc 36 is another example having many chances of bunching and overcrowding. Even svc 124, last sat at about 7.45pm at Eunos having buses bunching together and of cost the bus is crowded. There are pros and cons u see.
look at sv 53, 76 & 135....
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sv53 Wk
sv76 Wk
sv76 Hol1
135 has very neat headways too, but it's not published....
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Originally posted by chickenlittle2:
Indeed most of the services practicing jump bus have irregular frequency. Just like svc 36 is another example having many chances of bunching and overcrowding. Even svc 124, last sat at about 7.45pm at Eunos having buses bunching together and of cost the bus is crowded. There are pros and cons u see.
You can't compare city services with suburban services, which city service won't face jams which cause them to bunch up? Even 174, which has a unpublished normal frequency of 20 bloody minutes also can bunch up.
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Originally posted by chickenlittle2:
Indeed most of the services practicing jump bus have irregular frequency. Just like svc 36 is another example having many chances of bunching and overcrowding. Even svc 124, last sat at about 7.45pm at Eunos having buses bunching together and of cost the bus is crowded. There are pros and cons u see.
I believe you're not acquainted with jumpbus practices, but still will want to jump to conclusions. It's really disappointing that you shoot without checking your facts.
Service 36 is a very unique jumpbus service, where the headway is entirely controlled by the running time, with an additional 2 minutes of vehicle layover at PTB2 at the end of the trips. The service is so unique, even the drivers' mealbreaks and layovers are non-standard, and they are entitled to longer mealbreaks anyway to compensate for the distance they have to walk in to have their meals.
There are only 4 other services whose headway is tied to the running time due to vehicle layover constraints.
As for the observation that Service 124 being late, the reason cannot be due to jumpbus, because most drivers do not "jump" to another bus except during mealbreaks, unless the headway is very small. Even Service 162M drivers always return to Yio Chu Kang Terminal late in the post-PM peak, but they don't take another bus out, you know?
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Originally posted by Scania:
You can't compare city services with suburban services, which city service won't face jams which cause them to bunch up? Even 174, which has a unpublished normal frequency of 20 bloody minutes also can bunch up.
Originally posted by ^tamago^:look at sv 53, 76 & 135....
ya, but no of instances is lower only when there are major jams. When there are jams, both face the same problem. Jump bus requires all BC in that fleet to obey closely to the time and it is not easy to do so as load differ at times. They are reviewing, lets see whether there are improvement. So far, peak hours are having smooth operation. -
Originally posted by ^tamago^:
I believe you're not acquainted with jumpbus practices, but still will want to jump to conclusions. It's really disappointing that you shoot without checking your facts.
Service 36 is a very unique jumpbus service, where the headway is entirely controlled by the running time, with an additional 2 minutes of vehicle layover at PTB2 at the end of the trips. The service is so unique, even the drivers' mealbreaks and layovers are non-standard, and they are entitled to longer mealbreaks anyway to compensate for the distance they have to walk in to have their meals.
There are only 4 other services whose headway is tied to the running time due to vehicle layover constraints.
As for the observation that Service 124 being late, the reason cannot be due to jumpbus, because most drivers do not "jump" to another bus except during mealbreaks, unless the headway is very small. Even Service 162M drivers always return to Yio Chu Kang Terminal late in the post-PM peak, but they don't take another bus out, you know?
The examples I raised are the off peak hrs in the weekends. Reduce bunching, follow closely to scheduled frequency is what passengers are interested in. faced the same prob last week on svc 24 too.
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Originally posted by chickenlittle2:
ya, but no of instances is lower only when there are major jams. When there are jams, both face the same problem. Jump bus requires all BC in that fleet to obey closely to the time and it is not easy to do so as load differ at times. They are reviewing, lets see whether there are improvement. So far, peak hours are having smooth operation.
you mean, if it's not a jumpbus service, they don't have to obey closely? then what are schedules for? load might differ, but running time supplied by the drivers themselves should always be something they can accomplish, with the necessary buffer. if not, why do you think some people feel SBST buses are very slow at times?
i repeat, outside mealbreak timings, when buses don't jump, it works the same as other services, since they don't need the additional lot needed during mealbreaks.
are you the spokesperson for service 174? how sure are you that the operations are smooth? do you have any data of actual & scheduled arrival times at boon lay int from PM peak to close?
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Originally posted by chickenlittle2:
The examples I raised are the off peak hrs in the weekends. Reduce bunching, follow closely to scheduled frequency is what passengers are interested in. faced the same prob last week on svc 24 too.
then all the more, the issue is with insufficient running time! it is never about jumpbus, because they are not even jumping buses at off-peak hours!
Service 24 drivers have feedback before that the service has insufficient running time on weekends, especially Sunday. this kind of thing happens with long looping routes like those going to Airport, UEC and Siglap Road...
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Originally posted by Chanzelun1996:
Today, the alighting area the door A5 cannot close. The door always open. Even if there are no bus pass by, the door still open.
thats what i call consistent alighting buses.. -
Originally posted by chickenlittle2:
come on, I dunno that you are so childish. Such a disgrace to the community.at least i don't continue to force my warped theories on other people, especially after being shot down time and again... don't allow your biasness towards slbp and bnl cloud your better judgement and common sense.
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oh yeah, sv124 dun go eunos....
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Originally posted by ^tamago^:
oh yeah, sv124 dun go eunos….
124 goes to eunos in chickenlittle2 land...
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Originally posted by SBS9818A:
124 goes to eunos in chickenlittle2 land...
lol....
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Originally posted by ^tamago^:
you mean, if it's not a jumpbus service, they don't have to obey closely? then what are schedules for? load might differ, but running time supplied by the drivers themselves should always be something they can accomplish, with the necessary buffer. if not, why do you think some people feel SBST buses are very slow at times?
i repeat, outside mealbreak timings, when buses don't jump, it works the same as other services, since they don't need the additional lot needed during mealbreaks.
are you the spokesperson for service 174? how sure are you that the operations are smooth? do you have any data of actual & scheduled arrival times at boon lay int from PM peak to close?
From my knowledge of the svc 99 drivers, they also kana scold by pax in the morning and also end up bunching buses and most of them flipping plate here and there. Jump bus need better coordination where I dun see a major improvement in introducing it.I am just seeing and for many times that I took during the peak hrs. Most buses I took they managed to arrived + - 5-10mins. Of course, there are times where buses are late due to jam cos of plying along the city route.
I pardon for the typo cos I was typing fast and doing other work now. I guess u guys who are so mature should know.
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Originally posted by chickenlittle2:
From my knowledge of the svc 99 drivers, they also kana scold by pax in the morning and also end up bunching buses and most of them flipping plate here and there. Jump bus need better coordination where I dun see a major improvement in introducing it.I am just seeing and for many times that I took during the peak hrs. Most buses I took they managed to arrived + - 5-10mins. Of course, there are times where buses are late due to jam cos of plying along the city route.
I pardon for the typo cos I was typing fast and doing other work now. I guess u guys who are so mature should know.
Morning what time?
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Originally posted by SBS9818A:
at least i don't continue to force my warped theories on other people, especially after being shot down time and again... don't allow your biasness towards slbp and bnl cloud your better judgement and common sense.
At least I dun make brainless stereotypes comments which are meaningless and just making unnecessary noise. We are discussing issue here and everyone are free to share views here. I listen, see and say my view. U listen, see and say your view. This is the way.Why there is a need to call people names (when it is not my real name) to entertain urself? So u r telling us ur name is perfect? Or someone had done these to u in the past? I mean this is the real common sense. I am much familiar to slbp cos there are people I know there and making comments is because I see many ppl here are making false define accusation.
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Originally posted by chickenlittle2:
From my knowledge of the svc 99 drivers, they also kana scold by pax in the morning and also end up bunching buses and most of them flipping plate here and there. Jump bus need better coordination where I dun see a major improvement in introducing it.
oh really? i took Svc 99 to school everyday since Sec 1 to 5 but i nvr encountered this situation once -
Originally posted by Scania:
Morning what time?
i tell u that is happen before svc 241 is introduced. I nv see svc 99 at jw ext bet 7.45am to 8.10am. Then 2 came, when it arrives at JE another 2 came. Some forced to flip plate. -
Originally posted by JaSoNhSu92:
oh really? i took Svc 99 to school everyday since Sec 1 to 5 but i nvr encountered this situation once
student, what time u report to school? -
Originally posted by chickenlittle2:
i tell u that is happen before svc 241 is introduced. I nv see svc 99 at jw ext bet 7.45am to 8.10am. Then 2 came, when it arrives at JE another 2 came. Some forced to flip plate.Thats out of point, because jump bus hasn't got into effect at that time of the morning, unless you tell me they have lunch at 7am.
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Originally posted by chickenlittle2:
At least I dun make brainless stereotypes comments which are meaningless and just making unnecessary noise. We are discussing issue here and everyone are free to share views here. I listen, see and say my view. U listen, see and say your view. This is the way.Why there is a need to call people names (when it is not my real name) to entertain urself? So u r telling us ur name is perfect? Or someone had done these to u in the past? I mean this is the real common sense. I am much familiar to slbp cos there are people I know there and making comments is because I see many ppl here are making false define accusation.
unfortunately all your theories and what-have-yous have been solidly debunked by cold hard facts and observations. you dare to say "everyone are free to share views here. I listen, see and say my view. U listen, see and say your view. This is the way." but till date i don't think i've seen any of that coming from YOU.
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Originally posted by chickenlittle2:
student, what time u report to school?
7.20am, if late day then is 8.20am -
Originally posted by chickenlittle2:
From my knowledge of the svc 99 drivers, they also kana scold by pax in the morning and also end up bunching buses and most of them flipping plate here and there. Jump bus need better coordination where I dun see a major improvement in introducing it.I am just seeing and for many times that I took during the peak hrs. Most buses I took they managed to arrived + - 5-10mins. Of course, there are times where buses are late due to jam cos of plying along the city route.
I pardon for the typo cos I was typing fast and doing other work now. I guess u guys who are so mature should know.
u never asked sv99 drivers the reason behind the bunching & flipping plates? it has nothing to do with the schedule.... and flipping plates are no longer the SOP. they're from the early days of AVMS management.
in any case, why east district has had no problems running jumpbus for so many of its services, even though it seems tougher? are you going to agree that's because they have better coordination? practically the whole of amk and all svcs from yck, just to name a few, they're all on jumpbus for so many years without incident. the bay and fleet savings are just enormous...... do we need another boon lay int (hint: clementi) to get slbp into the act? answer this if u believe you represent slbp and can speak for them...
you considered jams along sv174 as smooth operation, but not so for sv124. but both are city routes! i'm sure many of us have seen sv174 bunch too! and interestingly most of the buses i took headed to the east and north during the evening peak out of orchard actually do not bunch.
as for the typo... if u made a mistake i think it'd be mature to admit it instead of brushing it aside. i dunno about your standards but that's mine, and i'm sure SBS9818A would share the same sentiments.
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Originally posted by Scania:
Thats out of point, because jump bus hasn't got into effect at that time of the morning, unless you tell me they have lunch at 7am.
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Originally posted by chickenlittle2:
student, what time u report to school?
jason got no name one, is it? he didn't even call you by your moniker, and you're out to pick a fight....