Accident and Breakdown Thread 2010
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Originally posted by SBS9818A:
the keyword is MIGHT. did i insinuate that the workshop team DID indeed cause the accident? unless u are telling me that brake failure is caused by the driver?
He is putting words in your mouth this time. -
Originally posted by SBS9818A:
what makes you think the bus smashed into the bus stop at 60kmh?
mr ayam, do you even DRIVE? what makes you think the bus will come to a stop instantaneously after putting the gear into neutral? and if the brakes had failed, would the handbrake even be effective? the B10M braking system is driven by AIR, mind you, not disc brakes.
I am just saying that will it helps? Changing gear to neutral will not stop the bus but will reduce the speed of the bus. -
Originally posted by sbs&tibs:
He is putting words in your mouth this time.not unexpected especially since this is mr "slbp-can-do-no-wrong" ayam we are dealing with..
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Originally posted by chickenlittle2:
I am not saying the the BC is in fault. But that does not mean that it is SLWS problem and they had nt been maintaining the bus.By just reading the article, u will find a lot of loophole. The max speed for this bus is 60km/h, after it hits 3 cars shouldn't it should reduce the speed of the bus? If the BC were to shift to neutral, will it helps? Or it is possible to apply on/off on the handbrakes?
how do you apply the handbrakes if something is indeed wrong with the brakes? i'm saying this for the 2nd time. the article mentioned that the BC wasn't able to stop the bus. it can be the case that the brakes of the bus had either malfunction or failed. you said the max speed of the bus is 60 km/h but how are we able to determine the speed of the bus its travelling it at the point of time the accident happen? and crashing into the cars =/= bus speed will reduce greatly.
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Originally posted by chickenlittle2:
I am just saying that will it helps? Changing gear to neutral will not stop the bus but will reduce the speed of the bus.it wouldn't even reduce the speed by much.
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Originally posted by chickenlittle2:
I am just saying that will it helps? Changing gear to neutral will not stop the bus but will reduce the speed of the bus.If brakes fail, for auto remain in D and find parallel objects to slide the vehicle along to reduce speed.
Manual transmission vehicles switch to a lower gear.
Shifting to N will make it worse especially if downhill.
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Originally posted by chickenlittle2:
I am just saying that will it helps? Changing gear to neutral will not stop the bus but will reduce the speed of the bus.it will only reduce the speed by a bit which will not affect much. unless the bus is travelling at very slow speed then maybe changing to neutral will have some effects.
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i am more shocked someone considered switching to N.
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Originally posted by BusSpeeder:
how do you apply the handbrakes if something is indeed wrong with the brakes? i'm saying this for the 2nd time. the article mentioned that the BC wasn't able to stop the bus. it can be the case that the brakes of the bus had either malfunction or failed. you said the max speed of the bus is 60 km/h but how are we able to determine the speed of the bus its travelling it at the point of time the accident happen? and crashing into the cars =/= bus speed will reduce greatly.
We should not rule out the possibility that the accelerator may have been jammed.
This bus hit several cars at the junction before the bus stop. In D gear Voith provides quite a bit of engine brake when the accelerator is taken off.
Brake failure is just layman terms. What happened, need to see the actual situation.
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Simply put,
"Cannot stop, therefore bang"
Why "cannot stop" is a separate issue already
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Originally posted by SBS9818A:
the keyword is MIGHT. did i insinuate that the workshop team DID indeed cause the accident? unless u are telling me that brake failure is caused by the driver?
Well, that is your fanasty thinking and will suggest u to keep to urself
It should not be brought up when u are not working in the company and do not even know the operations well.
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Originally posted by chickenlittle2:
Well, that is your fanasty thinking and will suggest u to keep to urself
It should not be brought up when u are not working in the company and do not even know the operations well.
He said MIGHT. You are assuming he is dreaming. -
Originally posted by chickenlittle2:
Well, that is your fanasty thinking and will suggest u to keep to urself
It should not be brought up when u are not working in the company and do not even know the operations well.
so you are working in the company la? after denying that for so long. and what makes you think i don't know the operations well? so only you know la?
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Guys, lets stop polluting this thread with arguments :)
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Originally posted by sinicker:
the damage to the bus stop suggests that it's quite low speed anyways.
i feel more like high speed can be enough to make the bus stop tilted.. if low speed maybe wont. -
Originally posted by JaSoNhSu92:
i feel more like high speed can be enough to make the bus stop tilted.. if low speed maybe wont.sometimes it depends on how strong the bus stop structure is, not fully on the speed of the bus...
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Apply handbrakes when the brakes fail is the craziest thing to do. Imagine you are travelling at 30-40km/h and your brakes fail and u apply your handbrake. Someone will definitely fly somewhere. Even driving a car at 15km/h and applying handbrake suddenly will cause a sudden jerk, much less a bus.
Changing gear to N doesnt help in any way either as long as the road isnt uphill. If the road is uphill the bus will be slowed down more significantly than being on a flat road surface.
Judging from the bus impact on the bus stop structure seems to suggest that the bus wasnt even at 60km/h at the Kaki Bt junction. Likely at 45 then became 35 after hitting the cars at the junction before hitting the bus stop structure at 20-25km/h.
Thank you for watching the Sunday Night Movie House.
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Originally posted by SBS9818A:and if the brakes had failed, would the handbrake even be effective? the B10M braking system is driven by AIR, mind you, not disc brakes.
I saw a few KUBs with the warning 'Critical air pressure loss' and the BC drives on. Don't know if it's a matter of time such an accident would have happened, but maybe this will be a wake-up call.
Originally posted by BusSpeeder:it will only reduce the speed by a bit which will not affect much. unless the bus is travelling at very slow speed then maybe changing to neutral will have some effects.
A vehicle will coast when it switched to neutral. Any torque will not longer be chanelled to the wheel, and the rev will jump up since the power now goes nowhere.
You're probably worse off in neutral while in motion because you will no longer have any engine power (be it acceleration or decceleration) but only the steering wheel.
If the Voith retarder was working as intended, he should be able to get a little bit of engine braking so long his foot is off the gas pedal. (Definitely more than if he set the gearbox to neutral).
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someone just cant believe that his beloved SLBP bus will kenna such accident which went up the news on TV/headlines of all newspaper... looking at the damage of the bus at the entrance door side, it is almost same as the accident of 8074 and this time even worst, so many people got injured.. wonder whether SBST will stop registrating bus with rego ending with 6?
this time it is lucky that someone manage to turn the bus towards the side of the bus stop and bus stop there... imagine if the whole bus go forward on the road and go hit a few more vehicles or go hit some other heavy vehicles /bus in front. i think sure more worst...
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Originally posted by lemon1974:
someone just cant believe that his beloved SLBP bus will kenna such accident which went up the news on TV/headlines of all newspaper... looking at the damage of the bus at the entrance door side, it is almost same as the accident of 8074 and this time even worst, so many people got injured.. wonder whether SBST will stop registrating bus with rego ending with 6?
so? SBS will reply and say that it is NOYB whether if they are registering the 4 or 6 or even the 'D's..
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TIB1095C on svc 67 broke down near Kembangan at 7.25pm on 17 Apr
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Originally posted by TIB1232Z:
I thought since brakes failed, applying handbrakes don't work?
BRAKES fail , handBRAKES would work?
Both are also BRAKES.
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Originally posted by chickenlittle2:
so? SBS will reply and say that it is NOYB whether if they are registering the 4 or 6 or even the 'D's..
If cant register regos with '6' , '4' , and 'D's , then use wad? Since the start of SBS(formerly know as Singapore Bus Services) , SBST had NEVER reused a rego. E.g. the Scania Demonstrater During the 80s to 90s : SBS7000E - Can u find this rego on the roads? I agree with this fellow forumer BUT it's SBST's final decision to say weather or not it will use the '4's , '6's , and 'D's in their rego.
Peace?
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my sister tell me that 1 Sv183 KUB involved in a crash with another vehicle around 2-3 weeks back at Old Toh Tuck Road (near Waterhub)... not sure what is the rego, but the KUB front suffer serious damage....
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Originally posted by chickenlittle2:
so? SBS will reply and say that it is NOYB whether if they are registering the 4 or 6 or even the 'D's..
you can no need to reply... obviously it is not up to you to decide... unless you are working in SBST...