LTA Central Planning (Phase I) – Splitting ultra-long routes
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Originally posted by lemon1974:
they should do it during non-peak hours and weekend for those busy roads..
Think LTA mentioned before sometimes its not possible because the window is too small to finish pruning in a realistic time. -
This is true.
Example would be Service 30. If Service 30 were to get amended elsewhere or withdrawn or even split up, possible scenarios are:
- Commuters living in West Coast, Pasir Panjang or Corporation Dr were either had to take alternative services or the nearest MRT to get into their destinations. Alternative services can be a hassle job to some, because transfers in bus and MRT is required to get to their desired destinations. As some had pointed out, the MRT would be fully packed during peak hours and no seats will be guaranteed for them (it means standing on the MRT throughout the journey).
- The Service would became disintegrated if the 2 routes are to be split up (Bedok - Harbourfront; and Harbourfront - Boon Lay), and at the end of its route, commuters will have to take another bus to continue the route, which will consume more time on travelling (inclusive of waiting time) and had to pay an extra fare. Thus with this kind of scheme to be proposed, regular commuters of service 30 will had to put up with inconveniences, on which it may affect their travelling time and fares. -
The Sunday Times has an article on this LTA central planning thingy.
They did drop some hints.
Services 39,85,161,168,858,965,969 will not be affected at all.
Some long routes will also not be affected, with the exception of "problematic
buses with "problematic" frequencies and scheduling problems, most likely to say 10,14,30,196... Those that operates between East and West and passes by the city.
SMRT says it has 8 routes that are longer than 30km.
SBST says it has 35 routes that are longer than 25km. -
No wonder they announce sometime back that they wanted to open up the market to allow more bus companies to operate.
I was thinking where do they get bus routes for them to operate in the first place. Maybe through this splitting up of long route?
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LTA reviewing only unreliable services
4 April 2010
Straits Times
© 2010 Singapore Press Holdings LimitedThe Land Transport Authority (LTA) is not splitting up or phasing out all long-distance bus services.
It is relooking only long bus routes with known reliability issues, and where there are sensible midpoints to break, so that overall, more commuters will benefit.
Making this point, an LTA spokesman said yesterday that there are also many long bus routes that do not face reliability problems and are not being considered for splitting.
He cited those running along the Tampines Expressway corridor, or where the ridership is well distributed along a substantial portion of the entire route.
He added that LTA has not finalised the routes to be split or where they should be split as it is still at the central bus planning consultation process, and getting feedback.
'At the end of the day, the proposed changes must benefit the largest number of commuters, while taking into account the trade-offs involved,' he said.
Among the changes being considered is how service reliability can be improved.
Long bus routes are particularly susceptible to traffic delays and disruptions from boarding and alighting. He cited the example of a service running from the east to the west through the city centre.
'If there are delays due to traffic congestion and high boarding and alighting activity in the east, commuters waiting to travel west from the city will find their bus service frequency adversely affected by these disruptions, especially during peak hours.'
Public transport surveys have shown that commuters want waiting times and reliability to be further improved.
LTA analysis also shows that more than 85 per cent of commuters alight before or at the city centre. This means there is room to achieve better service reliability to benefit the majority of commuters using the service if these routes are split.
But LTA is mindful of commuters who travel across the split sector. It would hence also consider their alternatives, overall journey times, fares and ease of transfers before making recommendations.
The spokesman added that when distance-based fares are introduced in July, commuters travelling the same distance will pay the same fare for the same type of service, whether they travel direct or make transfers.
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Originally posted by Junyang700:
The Sunday Times has an article on this LTA central planning thingy.
They did drop some hints.
Services 39,85,161,168,858,965,969 will not be affected at all.
Just had a feeling it won't be touched, and yes it did
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Originally posted by SBS7888K:
LTA reviewing only unreliable services
4 April 2010
Straits Times
© 2010 Singapore Press Holdings LimitedThe Land Transport Authority (LTA) is not splitting up or phasing out all long-distance bus services.
It is relooking only long bus routes with known reliability issues, and where there are sensible midpoints to break, so that overall, more commuters will benefit.
Making this point, an LTA spokesman said yesterday that there are also many long bus routes that do not face reliability problems and are not being considered for splitting.
He cited those running along the Tampines Expressway corridor, or where the ridership is well distributed along a substantial portion of the entire route.
He added that LTA has not finalised the routes to be split or where they should be split as it is still at the central bus planning consultation process, and getting feedback.
'At the end of the day, the proposed changes must benefit the largest number of commuters, while taking into account the trade-offs involved,' he said.
Among the changes being considered is how service reliability can be improved.
Long bus routes are particularly susceptible to traffic delays and disruptions from boarding and alighting. He cited the example of a service running from the east to the west through the city centre.
'If there are delays due to traffic congestion and high boarding and alighting activity in the east, commuters waiting to travel west from the city will find their bus service frequency adversely affected by these disruptions, especially during peak hours.'
Public transport surveys have shown that commuters want waiting times and reliability to be further improved.
LTA analysis also shows that more than 85 per cent of commuters alight before or at the city centre. This means there is room to achieve better service reliability to benefit the majority of commuters using the service if these routes are split.
But LTA is mindful of commuters who travel across the split sector. It would hence also consider their alternatives, overall journey times, fares and ease of transfers before making recommendations.
The spokesman added that when distance-based fares are introduced in July, commuters travelling the same distance will pay the same fare for the same type of service, whether they travel direct or make transfers.
Document STIMES0020100403e6440000hlooks like 63 and 143 would be hot favs
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Originally posted by lemon1974:
Dun think splitting of the long route will help also, if they dun bother to improve on others areas.
1) illegal parking/waiting of car at bus stop. look at the bus stop outside Bishan Mrt.. even they put up barrier, still same situation. cars still park at the bus stops...
look at the bus stop along Toa Payoh Lor 2 (block 175), there is alway long line of taxis parking/waiting there.. treating the bus stop as taxi stands and where is the enforcement?4) blocking of yellow boxes at bus stops...look at the bus stop at AMK Ave 3 (opposite AMK MRT station).. Sv 25/73/261 have to filter 3 lanes to turn right to Ave 8/interchange.. but the vehicles just all stopped at the yellow boxes and dun give way at all.. this also happen at other junctions/bus stops..
better for LTA to go work on these first, or else, no matter how many routes they split, in the end timing also wont be accurate...
The "cat & mouse" game is not effective at all. LTA should install CCTV to catch motorists blocking busy bus-stops or narrow busy streets such as Orchard Turn. -
I would rather let TransitLink do the planning instead of LTA. Since TransitLink had spent tireless efforts to integrate its public transport system with proper surveying and planning.
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Originally posted by SBS8533C:
I would rather let TransitLink do the planning instead of LTA. Since TransitLink had spent tireless efforts to integrate its public transport system with proper surveying and planning.
we just have to see wad happens when LTA takes over and whether they will improve or screw up everything...
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Originally posted by SBS7888K:
LTA reviewing only unreliable services
4 April 2010
Straits Times
© 2010 Singapore Press Holdings LimitedThe Land Transport Authority (LTA) is not splitting up or phasing out all long-distance bus services.
It is relooking only long bus routes with known reliability issues, and where there are sensible midpoints to break, so that overall, more commuters will benefit.
Making this point, an LTA spokesman said yesterday that there are also many long bus routes that do not face reliability problems and are not being considered for splitting.
He cited those running along the Tampines Expressway corridor, or where the ridership is well distributed along a substantial portion of the entire route.
He added that LTA has not finalised the routes to be split or where they should be split as it is still at the central bus planning consultation process, and getting feedback.
'At the end of the day, the proposed changes must benefit the largest number of commuters, while taking into account the trade-offs involved,' he said.
Among the changes being considered is how service reliability can be improved.
Long bus routes are particularly susceptible to traffic delays and disruptions from boarding and alighting. He cited the example of a service running from the east to the west through the city centre.
'If there are delays due to traffic congestion and high boarding and alighting activity in the east, commuters waiting to travel west from the city will find their bus service frequency adversely affected by these disruptions, especially during peak hours.'
Public transport surveys have shown that commuters want waiting times and reliability to be further improved.
LTA analysis also shows that more than 85 per cent of commuters alight before or at the city centre. This means there is room to achieve better service reliability to benefit the majority of commuters using the service if these routes are split.
But LTA is mindful of commuters who travel across the split sector. It would hence also consider their alternatives, overall journey times, fares and ease of transfers before making recommendations.
The spokesman added that when distance-based fares are introduced in July, commuters travelling the same distance will pay the same fare for the same type of service, whether they travel direct or make transfers.
Document STIMES0020100403e6440000hcouldnt they just add more down routes to some of those services that would be split? maybe it would help ease some of the freq problems...
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Originally posted by SBS7888K:
LTA reviewing only unreliable services
4 April 2010
Straits Times
© 2010 Singapore Press Holdings LimitedThe Land Transport Authority (LTA) is not splitting up or phasing out all long-distance bus services.
It is relooking only long bus routes with known reliability issues, and where there are sensible midpoints to break, so that overall, more commuters will benefit.
Making this point, an LTA spokesman said yesterday that there are also many long bus routes that do not face reliability problems and are not being considered for splitting.
He cited those running along the Tampines Expressway corridor, or where the ridership is well distributed along a substantial portion of the entire route.Seems like they're not even considering a transfer bus stop east of KPE/TPE interchange....
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Originally posted by SBS7888K:
Seems like they're not even considering a transfer bus stop east of KPE/TPE interchange....
i beg to differ. they probably will do that to give commuters better options
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Coming to the end of the long route
Existing cross-country bus routes to be reviewed, no new ones will be added
by Teo Xuanwei
TODAY
Mar 29, 2010SINGAPORE - In time to come, those long bus services that traverse the island could become a thing of the past, giving way to shorter services and transfers that get commuters to their destination in the fastest way possible.
This is because there is a "really strong" correlation between unreliable bus arrival timings and long bus service routes, said Second Transport Minister Lim Hwee Hua at a community event yesterday.
The Land Transport Authority (LTA), which has taken over central planning of bus routes from the bus operators, is studying these existing "cross-country" bus services which pass through several constituencies to see whether they are really needed now that more rail lines are being added.
And no new cross-country services will be added as those are "really legacies of the past", said Ms Lim. "The longer the service, the more there will be uncertainty because of traffic conditions along the way that will be accumulated as you get towards the end of the service."
Ms Lim, who is also Second Finance Minister, touched on this during a ministerial dialogue yesterday at Kampong Kembangan Community Club.
To reduce congestion on SBS Service 63, one resident had suggested re-routing some existing bus services or allowing private bus operators to ply the route. The service - which runs from Eunos Interchange to Bukit Merah and back - is crowded with workers from Ubi Tech Park during peak hours, said Mr Wayne Soo.
In response, Ms Lim said the ideal solution could be to split up the route and have more connecting services.
The LTA had studied this with grassroots leaders for some time, she said, but those from Tanjong Pagar GRC and Marine Parade GRC had divided views about it.
Mr Soo also gave other suggestions to the Transport Ministry: Changing the displays on buses to make it easier for those with astigmatism and changing the location of bus information displays at bus stops.
Another resident asked if a new service could be added to take commuters from Kembangan MRT station to Parkway Parade. But Ms Lim said anecdotal demand may not always translate to real demand.
She related an example in her own constituency - Aljunied GRC - where private estate residents had asked for private-hire buses to ferry them to the main road. However, the service was terminated after three months because of a lack of patronage.
Ms Lim later told reporters that with more rail lines being added - part of the Circle Line will start operations from next month, for example - the hub-and-spoke model could be a more viable solution in future. Commuters would also be more receptive towards transfers if they could save on waiting time and costs, she noted.
She said: "The consideration for you would not be 'If I do two transfers, I have to pay so much more'. It would be 'Which is the fastest way to get me from Point A to Point B?'
"And it may not be the direct service anymore. Because the direct bus service cannot be faster than if you have a train service that can link the two using a feeder service." -
Originally posted by SBS8533C:
I would rather let TransitLink do the planning instead of LTA. Since TransitLink had spent tireless efforts to integrate its public transport system with proper surveying and planning.
This has to be kidding, because, TransitLink surely has some link to LTA.
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Split up 63 will only add more buses into CBD.
lppl. Last time they made 51 merged w/ 192 combo to reduce buses in the CBD, now they want to 'add' again.
As for CCL, with the number of carriages and frequency it's quite limited to take in more ppl if it's intended to get ppl to avoid RFP & CTH.
Say remove 10 from Old Airport Rd force ppl to take CCL to DBG x-fer to NSL just to get to Shenton Way.
I think the mini star herself is confused.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
Split up 63 will only add more buses into CBD.
lppl. Last time they made 51 merged w/ 192 combo to reduce buses in the CBD, now they want to 'add' again.
As for CCL, with the number of carriages and frequency it's quite limited to take in more ppl if it's intended to get ppl to avoid RFP & CTH.
Say remove 10 from Old Airport Rd force ppl to take CCL to DBG x-fer to NSL just to get to Shenton Way.
I think the mini star herself is confused.
Just want to force ppl take public transport only...
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Originally posted by brotherchen1982:
Just want to force ppl take public transport only...
only to make SMRT more profitable only.Now from Bishan to Potong Pasir, take NEL - CCL cost $1.05. Take bus 13 only cost $0.91 nia.
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tbh..
if they want to split bus routes, probably some new services or schemes has to be intro first before dealing w/ long haul rts.
possibly easily located transfer bus stops, better semi express services and so on. For example Sv 99 from Jurong East Ave 1 to Clementi and transfer to a bigger network of bus svs.
Not to say removing 30 & 154, wat happens to the ppl who takes late night JIS buses to get home after 2338 (last Eastbound train).
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Originally posted by sbst275:
only to make SMRT more profitable only.Now from Bishan to Potong Pasir, take NEL - CCL cost $1.05. Take bus 13 only cost $0.91 nia.
Right, but the travel time's difference leh?
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Originally posted by Samuel Lee:
Right, but the travel time's difference leh?
travelling time is almost not of any much diff during off peak hrs esp. You've to walk bet NEL & CCL station and re-wait for e next train.Wat abt why it cost $1.35 bet Potong Pasir & Toa Payoh via NEL - CCL - NSL when it cost $0.69 via 142?
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Illegal parking & bus lane blockage is a big headache.
Not to mention thks to condo construction, the illegal parking by the lorries. Say for eg at Orchard Blvd during PM peak for the condo abv Ion Orchard. Ironically posters was put up indicating no stopping bet 1700 - 2000.
Another issue would be commuters. No one wants to move in creating delays.
The mini star she blames long haul rts being unrealiable, the real problem is with 'good life' commuters and bus lane or illegal parking (esp during peak hrs) not tightly enforced.
As for the traffic jam, they're suffering from ivory tower syndrome. "ERP help people to own cars for more good years ahead"
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Originally posted by sbst275:
Split up 63 will only add more buses into CBD.
lppl. Last time they made 51 merged w/ 192 combo to reduce buses in the CBD, now they want to 'add' again.
As for CCL, with the number of carriages and frequency it's quite limited to take in more ppl if it's intended to get ppl to avoid RFP & CTH.
Say remove 10 from Old Airport Rd force ppl to take CCL to DBG x-fer to NSL just to get to Shenton Way.
I think the mini star herself is confused.
history is gona repeat itself... -
There was the days TP was always on e road until no one dares to...
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Towards the unreliable schedule, sometimes the bus company created e mess.
Reminds of an recent a ride on Sv 61.
Scheduled arrivals: 0811 - BBT Int. 0830 - Jln Anak Bt. 0846: Opp CS Jelita.
The bus reached Jln Anak Bt at 0833. And there was a massive jam at Clementi Rd, think it woul probably arrive at Ulu Pandan Rd mark at least 0850. The only thing lucky is NP is now having sch hol, else lambat dip dip.
The SL was just acclerlerating throughout the way. In any case, schedules least has to allow buses to be able to catch up if there's slight delay en-route.