Bus services to be amended for Marina Bay Sands Resort

• service_238

  25 Apr 10, 10:26

  Originally posted by sinicker:

  i like this 502 route.
  
  but they really could do with an evening 502A. 1 DD is fine. see demand 1st if wanna be careful. AYE > Clementi Ave 6 > PIE > JW West Ave 4. > Corporation Rd > Boon Lay Ave.
  
  518A evening was fast.
  
  my only disappointment is both the express services A portion evening is no more.
  
  133M should just be given an exclusive service number...
  
  my $0.02.

  
  Another way can be AYE direct to Corporation Rd then Boon Lay Ave.

• JaSoNhSu92

  25 Apr 10, 11:51

  will the Sv 133 DD sized front destos with destinations gone into history with the opening of MBS?

• sbst275

  25 Apr 10, 12:10

  Originally posted by tintinspartan:

  They can transfer to Sv 970 from Shenton Way for Chinatown, Sv 130 for Bugis and Little India.

  
  It can only be for stop gap measure. When DTL starts running, probably not much need for bus svs to Chinatown.

• No_10_Tomas

  25 Apr 10, 12:33

  For now, they should just re-route 106 and 133 to terminate at new bridge road during sats/suns via cross st/upp cross st

   

  makes no sense that chinatown is so near to MBS, yet no direct buses

   

  we don't need so many buses to shenton way during sats and suns, look at 70,107,162 these services are cut back to suntec

   

  Shenton way terminal during sat/sun is virtually a ghosttown

• sbst275

  25 Apr 10, 12:41

  Originally posted by No_10_Tomas:

  For now, they should just re-route 106 and 133 to terminate at new bridge road during sats/suns via cross st/upp cross st

   

  makes no sense that chinatown is so near to MBS, yet no direct buses

   

  we don't need so many buses to shenton way during sats and suns, look at 70,107,162 these services are cut back to suntec

   

  Shenton way terminal during sat/sun is virtually a ghosttown

  Because the buses would need to serve Marina Bay Financial Dist soon. Many of the towers are going to TOP.

• chickenlittle2

  25 Apr 10, 14:55

  Originally posted by ^tamago^:

  most of the pax are not on that side of the road. PTC won't approve. not forgetting a double loop in e marina area just to serve suntec along temasek blvd/ave.

  well, what if people start complaining long waiting times in the evening peak for any kind of relavent sv502 variant that brings them home? after all, people can't be late for work, whereas fewer people have to meet a timeline for going home lest they get fired from home.

  of course, as a resident of Pioneer, you can seek your MP or SLBP friend's help to feedback, they might consider it seriously. but i can foresee headway nearing 40mins after the last 502A/502B has left, versus a maximum headway of 20mins after 7.45pm and 13-14mins before.

  If you see the new route, passengers taking from scotts road is also badly affected.

  I believe to ask them to stop using Boon Lay way will solve the root of the problem during the evening slot. From the past experience, most of the 502B and 502 were late because of using that route. If it takes more than 95 mins to complete the journey from the city to Pioneer, I will think the express buses is not be meeting their basic requirement.

  I dun see a need of bringing out a MP or my friend in the discussion. I believe the HQ should be doing this job. Nevertheless, let's monitor the travelling time for svc 502 during the peak hrs to pioneer.

• chickenlittle2

  25 Apr 10, 15:13

  Btw, i believe more than 60% of the users for these amended services are not aware of the changes.

  With the new bus stop pole, notice posted at the bus stop are so small and not noticeable. Bigger poster should be used.

  Imagine just yesterday, express 502 still experience high loading between orchard rd  to Soon Lee. There should be personnel giving out brochure at these bus stop to aware the passengers taking this service.

  The press release was posted too late, passengers had no time to react. In fact, SMRT did a better job. News media should be used to broadcast the changes.

• TIB657M

  25 Apr 10, 15:29

  Originally posted by chickenlittle2:

  Btw, i believe more than 60% of the users for these amended services are not aware of the changes.

  With the new bus stop pole, notice posted at the bus stop are so small and not noticeable. Bigger poster should be used.

  Imagine just yesterday, express 502 still experience high loading between orchard rd  to Soon Lee. There should be personnel giving out brochure at these bus stop to aware the passengers taking this service.

  The press release was posted too late, passengers had no time to react. In fact, SMRT did a better job. News media should be used to broadcast the changes.

  Just like SBST personnel did distribute the bus guides for 241 and amended 242 last time. Hope can do that again.

• ^tamago^

  25 Apr 10, 15:49

  Originally posted by chickenlittle2:

  If you see the new route, passengers taking from scotts road is also badly affected.

  I believe to ask them to stop using Boon Lay way will solve the root of the problem during the evening slot. From the past experience, most of the 502B and 502 were late because of using that route. If it takes more than 95 mins to complete the journey from the city to Pioneer, I will think the express buses is not be meeting their basic requirement.

  I dun see a need of bringing out a MP or my friend in the discussion. I believe the HQ should be doing this job. Nevertheless, let's monitor the travelling time for svc 502 during the peak hrs to pioneer.

  that sentence is selfish. how about those working in suntec? you mean they shld be treated equally too?

  if you feel journey time is a priority over a direct journey, why not take the train? nobody is stopping you, you know.

  HQ? good. write in to CRC. they'll handle it. of cos, if such grassroot representative as a MP agrees with you this time round and will speak for you, i'm sure HQ will do something for you. they're one of the people who will be consulted when there are route changes after all.

• sgbuses

  25 Apr 10, 17:00

  They might as well just convert it to a trunk route, like how 521 became 963. Say 102. Reinclude the stops at Clementi and toss in a few more DDs - instant cash cow. Then run 102e using 502A routing.

  In any case, I do see quite a couple of people board 502 for access to IMM from Jurong West/Boon Lay and vice-versa.

• n4l

  25 Apr 10, 17:06

  Originally posted by sgbuses:

  They might as well just convert it to a trunk route, like how 521 became 963. Say 102. Reinclude the stops at Clementi and toss in a few more DDs - instant cash cow. Then run 102e using 502A routing.

  I think Express Routes earn more than Trunk Routes...and Trunk routes will fall into PTC's stricter QoS guidelines - which may prove to be more trouble than help. Considering that 502 is still pretty profitable (or so I think), there isn't a need for them to convert it :P.

   

  On another note, I feel that 133M should be extended to Chinatown instead of terminating at Shenton Way :) - and it could be given a new number too in that sense...unless "M" variant routes don't fall under Basic Service QoS but are considered additional supplementary trips?

• sgbuses

  25 Apr 10, 17:09

  Originally posted by n4l:

  I think Express Routes earn more than Trunk Routes...and Trunk routes will fall into PTC's stricter QoS guidelines - which may prove to be more trouble than help.

  With all the overcrowding on the MRT, PTC might give a little bit of leeway. Maybe service 122 will sound more convincing! (Points to service 128 )

• chickenlittle2

  25 Apr 10, 17:10

  Originally posted by ^tamago^:

  that sentence is selfish. how about those working in suntec? you mean they shld be treated equally too?

  if you feel journey time is a priority over a direct journey, why not take the train? nobody is stopping you, you know.

  HQ? good. write in to CRC. they'll handle it. of cos, if such grassroot representative as a MP agrees with you this time round and will speak for you, i'm sure HQ will do something for you. they're one of the people who will be consulted when there are route changes after all.

  
  I am not arguing on which side, but to show that these pax at scotts road are badly affected too. From my experience, the affected pax should be relatively high too. Btw, isn't 502 can be amended to ply the opp side of suntec like what svc 97 is doing?

  Journey time and direct journey is equally important and that also shows that why Service 502A and 518A are there in the evening since 2005. These services targets the working adults and evening crowd. Terminating these 2 services in the evening is a grave mistake without considering the traffic condition the pax might face during the PM peak. For the case of the evening headway, I believe there are actually enough 502 buses but it is because of the route they had used to get to the city. Most of them are stuck along Boon Lay Way.

  I dun think this time round the amendment of the services had the need to contact any MP for opinon.

• n4l

  25 Apr 10, 17:16

  Originally posted by sgbuses:

  With all the overcrowding on the MRT, PTC might give a little bit of leeway. Maybe service 122 will sound more convincing! (Points to service 128 )

  Nah I was referring to SBST's willingness to convert 502 from an Express to Trunk service.

  Besides, policy nowadays seems to be to squeeze everyone on the MRT ...wait till they reverse that in a few years time 

• smrt3099

  25 Apr 10, 17:17

  Its better to open new services, look at 502... journey can be chaotic

• sbst275

  25 Apr 10, 18:05

  A4 size notice are placed on every buses.

  Oh yes, who went to Bayfront Ave would know massive error has occured over bus stop info plate.

• sbst275

  25 Apr 10, 18:19

  Originally posted by chickenlittle2:

  Btw, i believe more than 60% of the users for these amended services are not aware of the changes.

  With the new bus stop pole, notice posted at the bus stop are so small and not noticeable. Bigger poster should be used.

  Imagine just yesterday, express 502 still experience high loading between orchard rd  to Soon Lee. There should be personnel giving out brochure at these bus stop to aware the passengers taking this service.

  The press release was posted too late, passengers had no time to react. In fact, SMRT did a better job. News media should be used to broadcast the changes.

  
  In a sense it's LTA's fault.

  SMRT in a sense pre - empt before LTA announes it officially. SMRT still thinks it's a stat board ar? It's alrdy a money making organisation

• sbst275

  25 Apr 10, 18:21

  Originally posted by chickenlittle2:

  
  I am not arguing on which side, but to show that these pax at scotts road are badly affected too. From my experience, the affected pax should be relatively high too. Btw, isn't 502 can be amended to ply the opp side of suntec like what svc 97 is doing?

  Journey time and direct journey is equally important and that also shows that why Service 502A and 518A are there in the evening since 2005. These services targets the working adults and evening crowd. Terminating these 2 services in the evening is a grave mistake without considering the traffic condition the pax might face during the PM peak. For the case of the evening headway, I believe there are actually enough 502 buses but it is because of the route they had used to get to the city. Most of them are stuck along Boon Lay Way.

  I dun think this time round the amendment of the services had the need to contact any MP for opinon.

  
  u kpkb use BNL Way jammed. Then why u so willingly let e buses get stucked at Orchard Rd again?

  Where's e jam along Boon Lay Way?

• ^tamago^

  25 Apr 10, 18:24

  Originally posted by chickenlittle2:

  
  I am not arguing on which side, but to show that these pax at scotts road are badly affected too. From my experience, the affected pax should be relatively high too. Btw, isn't 502 can be amended to ply the opp side of suntec like what svc 97 is doing?

  Journey time and direct journey is equally important and that also shows that why Service 502A and 518A are there in the evening since 2005. These services targets the working adults and evening crowd. Terminating these 2 services in the evening is a grave mistake without considering the traffic condition the pax might face during the PM peak. For the case of the evening headway, I believe there are actually enough 502 buses but it is because of the route they had used to get to the city. Most of them are stuck along Boon Lay Way.

  I dun think this time round the amendment of the services had the need to contact any MP for opinon.

  you're being selfish here. why must people from far east plaza take the shortest route home, if they're already taking the shortest route there? why for the sake of these people do you propose that people from suntec cross the road to the other side of SICEC to wait for the bus? why should we increase the mileage when the other way works fine?

  do you consider how long scheduled headways are running the variant routes? if there are enough buses then why are the headways so long after the last 502A/B trips? that's even before we talk about operated headways. if you think in the current regime of QoS that direct AND fast journey times is still a priority, tell me why evening premium trips were rejected outright by PTC. good times are over.

  pray tell, what is LTA & PTC for? you think route amendments can be carried out independent of PTC? if your MP does not write to you personally to inform you of the upcoming changes to the bus routes in your area does not mean he is not in the loop.

• sbst275

  25 Apr 10, 18:33

  Originally posted by chickenlittle2:

  
  I am not arguing on which side, but to show that these pax at scotts road are badly affected too. From my experience, the affected pax should be relatively high too. Btw, isn't 502 can be amended to ply the opp side of suntec like what svc 97 is doing?

  Journey time and direct journey is equally important and that also shows that why Service 502A and 518A are there in the evening since 2005. These services targets the working adults and evening crowd. Terminating these 2 services in the evening is a grave mistake without considering the traffic condition the pax might face during the PM peak. For the case of the evening headway, I believe there are actually enough 502 buses but it is because of the route they had used to get to the city. Most of them are stuck along Boon Lay Way.

  I dun think this time round the amendment of the services had the need to contact any MP for opinon.

  
  I think u do not realise the amendment of 97 is to minimise the affected passengers volume. Alrdy ppl heading to Fullerton would have to transfer bus.

  Yet the bus is designated to serve the MBFC. If u do not know, many MNCs and corps would move over to MBFC once it's up n ready.

• ^tamago^

  25 Apr 10, 18:38

  Originally posted by smrt3099:

  Its better to open new services, look at 502... journey can be chaotic

  PTO's already scrimp to add a bus to a basic service, no point stretching their resources thin by running yet another non-QoS express service. every additional bus costs 350k minimum upfront, not counting parking expenses if the depot runs out of space & had to be parked at the interchange. fleet requirements have been escalating with 10-min QoS while demand has been growing at certain parts of the island with events like new tertiary academic year starting, opening of RWS & MBS, splitting of long-haul routes etc.

• sbst275

  25 Apr 10, 18:40

  Originally posted by ^tamago^:

  PTO's already scrimp to add a bus to a basic service, no point stretching their resources thin by running yet another non-QoS express service. every additional bus costs 350k minimum upfront, not counting parking expenses if the depot runs out of space & had to be parked at the interchange. fleet requirements have been escalating with 10-min QoS while demand has been growing at certain parts of the island with events like new tertiary academic year starting, opening of RWS & MBS, splitting of long-haul routes etc.

  Uni and poly intake increases, Tuas devt, SUTD.

  All thks to Yeo Cheow Tong, he thinks buses no use back then. Now all these mess.

• sbst275

  25 Apr 10, 18:48

  pray hard

  Since DTL would only be ready for BPJ leg in 2013 - 2014, the MBFC would solely rely on Sv 97 for 1 - 2 yrs. Imagine the passenger mess SBS would have to face.

• tintinspartan

  25 Apr 10, 19:01

  Originally posted by sbst275:

  pray hard

  Since DTL would only be ready for BPJ leg in 2013 - 2014, the MBFC would solely rely on Sv 97 for 1 - 2 yrs. Imagine the passenger mess SBS would have to face.

  
  Well, we might see a disaster waiting to happen. The situation is going to be like what the poly and uni students are facing; packed buses and adult fares.

   

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• TIB1232Z

  25 Apr 10, 19:04

  Originally posted by tintinspartan:

  
  Well, we might see a disaster waiting to happen. The situation is going to be like what the poly and uni students are facing; packed buses and adult fares.

   

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