Service Improvements to 21 bus services from March 2011
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Based on the ARF savings..
SBS stands to save $20k per bus. SBS is purchasing 300 buses this yr
SMRT stands to save $16.47k per bus. SMRT is purchasing 119 buses this year.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
971E should run for both Weekday peak hours…Sembawang also need big improvement just 4 and the half service for an interchange?WTF!At least should exyend 857 there
basic sv evening peak headway alr cannot match morning peak, PTO better stick to basic for evening peak :(
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In my opinion, WLDEP should intake more buses from KJDEP/AMDEP so that the SL can get their bus in time to prevent any lack of buses due to maintenance when they get their bus after 5pm. As I mentioned earlier on, the 187S105 slot got 50-50 chance to get the bus in time during PM Split. If not, have to either downroute somewhere or just do return trip from Boon Lay.
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Originally posted by iamgoondu:
how many new buses SMRT will be buying? if LTA is restricting the bendies from plying along Orchard, SMRT should seriously consider buying double deck instead. Anyone has a detailed information on the number of normal and higher capacity buses, SMRT and SBSTransit will be buying this year?
Should either tear down KJDEP or AMDEP and rebuilt it into a multi-storey bus park that can accomodate buses of 4m and up.
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AMDEP should consider the empty land opposite to accomodate more parking lots thus more new buses,Wonder where they will Yishun sv buses when its due for upgrading?KJDEP should consider move to Bt Batok Ind Park
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Originally posted by Junyang700:
Should either tear down KJDEP or AMDEP and rebuilt it into a multi-storey bus park that can accomodate buses of 4m and up.
Why SMRT would insist on bendies? Double decker is more space efficient on the road especially on busy roads like Orchard and Suntec.
It's amusing and silly that SMRT unable to put in more bendies due to constraints in her depot, or is it just another excuse to max her bus utilization rate.
SMRT has never admit that what she did was to max her shareholder profits, like the hot and stuffy cabins in N-S and E-W MRT. And now unable to put in more bendies due to her depot unable to accomodate more of them.
Let's throw in some competition to SMRT. Commuters in the west should not be deprived of better public transportation.
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Originally posted by ^tamago^:
basic sv evening peak headway alr cannot match morning peak, PTO better stick to basic for evening peak :(
Basic headway for most buses fail, 2,14,16,51,80,147,196
the most regular buses i noe and take is 10,12,31,32,43
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Originally posted by iamgoondu:
Why SMRT would insist on bendies? Double decker is more space efficient on the road especially on busy roads like Orchard and Suntec.
It's amusing and silly that SMRT unable to put in more bendies due to constraints in her depot, or is it just another excuse to max her bus utilization rate.
SMRT has never admit that what she did was to max her shareholder profits, like the hot and stuffy cabins in N-S and E-W MRT. And now unable to put in more bendies due to her depot unable to accomodate more of them.
Let's throw in some competition to SMRT. Commuters in the west should not be deprived of better public transportation.
I agree. If that is how they insist on their thinking, let them continue their stupidity. I hope a third operator or SBST can take over their bus routes.
And it should be North, not West. Unless you are also taking about Northwest.
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Why SMRT would insist on bendies? Double decker is more space efficient on the road especially on busy roads like Orchard and Suntec. Bendies for intra-town or feeder services. DDs for trunk services like 190, 960 etc.
It's amusing and silly that SMRT unable to put in more bendies due to constraints in her depot, or is it just another excuse to max her bus utilization rate. Which depot?
SMRT has never admit that what she did was to max her shareholder profits, like the hot and stuffy cabins in N-S and E-W MRT. And now unable to put in more bendies due to her depot unable to accomodate more of them. Number of bendies are capped by LTA, so they can't buy bendies unless they let go of some of them.
Let's throw in some competition to SMRT. Commuters in the west should not be deprived of better public transportation. North and North-West...
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Originally posted by dan474:
Why SMRT would insist on bendies? Double decker is more space efficient on the road especially on busy roads like Orchard and Suntec. Bendies for intra-town or feeder services. DDs for trunk services like 190, 960 etc. SMRT has DDs for 190 and/or 960?
It's amusing and silly that SMRT unable to put in more bendies due to constraints in her depot, or is it just another excuse to max her bus utilization rate. Which depot? Someone suggested that KJDEP or AMDEP should be rebuilt into a multi-storey bus park that can accomodate buses of 4m and up
SMRT has never admit that what she did was to max her shareholder profits,s like the hot and stuffy cabins in N-S and E-W MRT. And now unable to put in more bendies due to her depot unable to accomodate more of them. Number of bendies are capped by LTA, so they can't buy bendies unless they let go of some of them. If they can't buy bendies, then go for DDs. Why insist on bendies? SMRT 106 and 61 were never or seldom on SDs when they were formally operated by SBSTransit. And that's probably more than a decade ago.
Let's throw in some competition to SMRT. Commuters in the west should not be deprived of better public transportation. North and North-West...K, no wonader there are no buses plying between Woodlands, Sembawang to NUS/NUH. Pity residents in Yew Tee and Sembawang. Newer estate like Punggol and Buangkok have even more bus services than them.
What's so great of having another express bus service 971E? It operates only 2 times a day and just only weekdays. And it even takes a Minister to spend essential budget parliament time to make such announcement. SBSTransit has aplenty of such services.
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Why SMRT would insist on bendies? Double decker is more space efficient on the road especially on busy roads like Orchard and Suntec. Bendies for intra-town or feeder services. DDs for trunk services like 190, 960 etc. SMRT has DDs for 190 and/or 960? This is a suggestion.
It's amusing and silly that SMRT unable to put in more bendies due to constraints in her depot, or is it just another excuse to max her bus utilization rate. Which depot? Someone suggested that KJDEP or AMDEP should be rebuilt into a multi-storey bus park that can accomodate buses of 4m and up. DDs' height is more than 4m. It will cost SMRT a bomb as current depot infrastructure can only accomodate SDs and bendies.
SMRT has never admit that what she did was to max her shareholder profits,s like the hot and stuffy cabins in N-S and E-W MRT. And now unable to put in more bendies due to her depot unable to accomodate more of them. Number of bendies are capped by LTA, so they can't buy bendies unless they let go of some of them. If they can't buy bendies, then go for DDs. Why insist on bendies? SMRT 106 and 61 were never or seldom on SDs when they were formally operated by SBSTransit. And that's probably more than a decade ago. Bendies are move convinient for those who are riding for a few stops only. The problem now is, SMRT's depot infrastructure cannot accomodate DDs.
Let's throw in some competition to SMRT. Commuters in the west should not be deprived of better public transportation. North and North-West... K, no wonder there are no buses plying between Woodlands, Sembawang to NUS/NUH. Pity residents in Yew Tee and Sembawang. Newer estate like Punggol and Buangkok have even more bus services than them. If you wanna go to NUS/NUH from W'lands, take 963. If Sembawang, take MRT to WDL and transfer to 963. Since now bus planning is controlled by PTC, do expect changes sooner or later.
What's so great of having another express bus service 971E? It operates only 2 times a day and just only weekdays. And it even takes a Minister to spend essential budget parliament time to make such announcement. SBS Transit has plenty of such services. It's to ease the crowd on the MRT. It's a waste if it runs on weekends/PH. Do expect trunk service 971 to be introduced if 971E is a success.
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Originally posted by iamgoondu:
Why SMRT would insist on bendies? Double decker is more space efficient on the road especially on busy roads like Orchard and Suntec.
It's amusing and silly that SMRT unable to put in more bendies due to constraints in her depot, or is it just another excuse to max her bus utilization rate.
SMRT has never admit that what she did was to max her shareholder profits, like the hot and stuffy cabins in N-S and E-W MRT. And now unable to put in more bendies due to her depot unable to accomodate more of them.
Let's throw in some competition to SMRT. Commuters in the west should not be deprived of better public transportation.
just a fact:
Bendies take more space, but loading time is shorter than DDs.
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Originally posted by TIB1234T:
just a fact:
Bendies take more space, but loading time is shorter than DDs.
*like*
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Originally posted by TIB1234T:
just a fact:
Bendies take more space, but loading time is shorter than DDs.
Loading time faster? Perhaps. However I dread to see a bendy infront of my bus for a bus stop can only take 1 bendy.
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Originally posted by dan474:
Why SMRT would insist on bendies? Double decker is more space efficient on the road especially on busy roads like Orchard and Suntec. Bendies for intra-town or feeder services. DDs for trunk services like 190, 960 etc. SMRT has DDs for 190 and/or 960? It makes no business sense to have both DDs and Bendies. SMRT need to train both set of drivers. Moreover having only DDs or SDs, SMRT can freely deploy any of her buses to any depots. If SBSTransit and SMRT buses can harmonize in a bus interchanges, why the same cannot happen in a bus depot? What prompted PTC or LTA not to have a common depot for both bus companies?
It's amusing and silly that SMRT unable to put in more bendies due to constraints in her depot, or is it just another excuse to max her bus utilization rate. Which depot? Someone suggested that KJDEP or AMDEP should be rebuilt into a multi-storey bus park that can accomodate buses of 4m and up. DDs' height is more than 4m. It will cost SMRT a bomb as current depot infrastructure can only accomodate SDs and bendies. If SMRT is sincere in getting DDs, LTA/PTC could help in securing DDs bus lots in current bus depot operating by SBSTransit. I still can't believe that bus companies cannot co-locate in a common bus depot.
SMRT has never admit that what she did was to max her shareholder profits,s like the hot and stuffy cabins in N-S and E-W MRT. And now unable to put in more bendies due to her depot unable to accomodate more of them. Number of bendies are capped by LTA, so they can't buy bendies unless they let go of some of them. If they can't buy bendies, then go for DDs. Why insist on bendies? SMRT 106 and 61 were never or seldom on SDs when they were formally operated by SBSTransit. And that's probably more than a decade ago. Bendies are move convinient for those who are riding for a few stops only. The problem now is, SMRT's depot infrastructure cannot accomodate DDs. PTC/LTA should help in securing DD's bus lots for SMRT.
Let's throw in some competition to SMRT. Commuters in the west should not be deprived of better public transportation. North and North-West... K, no wonder there are no buses plying between Woodlands, Sembawang to NUS/NUH. Pity residents in Yew Tee and Sembawang. Newer estate like Punggol and Buangkok have even more bus services than them. If you wanna go to NUS/NUH from W'lands, take 963. If Sembawang, take MRT to WDL and transfer to 963. Since now bus planning is controlled by PTC, do expect changes sooner or later. OK. Anyway if residents in Yew Tee and Sembawand are contented with their bus services, perhaps the area are indeed well served by SMRT. Unfortunately I doubt so.
What's so great of having another express bus service 971E? It operates only 2 times a day and just only weekdays. And it even takes a Minister to spend essential budget parliament time to make such announcement. SBS Transit has plenty of such services. It's to ease the crowd on the MRT. It's a waste if it runs on weekends/PH. Do expect trunk service 971 to be introduced if 971E is a success. Over the year, SBSTransit has introduced alot more bus services than SMRT. To me 971E not worth a mention in parliament. Hopefully SMRT didn't kapok the 2 buses from 970 or 106.
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Originally posted by iamgoondu:
Loading time faster? Perhaps. However I dread to see a bendy infront of my bus for a bus stop can only take 1 bendy.
Hmm.... but wouldn't a DD loading time caused the bendy to have to wait and other buses behind the bendy will be dreaded too.In another picture, if its a bendy bus at the bus stop, normally the second bus would follows the loading as well.
Above are just my opinions ONLY... Not trying to give excuse, but thats the procedure we seen daily...
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Originally posted by iamgoondu:What's so great of having another express bus service 971E? It operates only 2 times a day and just only weekdays. And it even takes a Minister to spend essential budget parliament time to make such announcement. SBS Transit has plenty of such services. It's to ease the crowd on the MRT. It's a waste if it runs on weekends/PH. Do expect trunk service 971 to be introduced if 971E is a success. Over the year, SBSTransit has introduced alot more bus services than SMRT. To me 971E not worth a mention in parliament. Hopefully SMRT didn't kapok the 2 buses from 970 or 106.
971E is just another number that LTA and SMRT to number as they cannot use 190 or 700 or 970 to add in the E. 971E is the hybrid of these 3 services. Put an E on either one of the services makes commuters more confused, since for example 190E dosen't stop at New Bridge Rd, but in Shenton Way instead. And so on.
Most likely this 971E is just another temporary service that will be withdrawn once DTL is up, or else it might spawn 971 through the merging of 190, 970 and 700 and withdraw the 3 services once DTL is up.
Originally posted by iamgoondu:Loading time faster? Perhaps. However I dread to see a bendy infront of my bus for a bus stop can only take 1 bendy.
Loading time may not necessary be faster if the driver forgots the 3rd door sometimes. It also delays the loading time of the buses behind since the can't allow commuters access the bus as they are out of the bus bay because the bendy bus hog the whole bus bay and it gets extremely frustrating especially if the commuter is asking for directions, spoilt EZ link card readers, breakdown, etc. The delay for the buses will even be longer. -
Add on 9.3.2011 zaobao reports[pg8] money saved is use to buy bigger DDs n BENDIES
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Service 171 needs further enhancements.
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Wah, 419 new buses this year.
Good, good.
Hope to see more double deckers.
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Originally posted by Acx1688:
Add on 9.3.2011 zaobao reports[pg8] money saved is use to buy bigger DDs n BENDIES
AcxBIGGER bendies! the word 'bigger' used infront when there is stated DDs & bendies?
bi-articulated bendies ah?
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Originally posted by TIB1234T:
just a fact:
Bendies take more space, but loading time is shorter than DDs.
thing is, 3 buses could do alight at the same time vs 2 bendies (Even the 2nd bendy can't even allow boarding at places like Pending Rd).Somemore try using SMRT bendies at NUS or NTU. Next thing behind massive traffic jam. Then SMRT smokescreen tell ppl 'traffic jam'.
So much for faster loading/ unloading time
I still stand bendy buses are mostly useless to be used in Singapore. Need to build special int for them (incurring cost) and some places like Pending will see localised congestion.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
thing is, 3 buses could do alight at the same time vs 2 bendies (Even the 2nd bendy can't even allow boarding at places like Pending Rd).Somemore try using SMRT bendies at NUS or NTU. Next thing behind massive traffic jam. Then SMRT smokescreen tell ppl 'traffic jam'.
So much for faster loading/ unloading time
I still stand bendy buses are mostly useless to be used in Singapore. Need to build special int for them (incurring cost) and some places like Pending will see localised congestion.
Which is why LTA is planning on lengthening the bus stops on, listed with high demand of people now... this is their plan...
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Originally posted by TIB1234T:
Which is why LTA is planning on lengthening the bus stops on, listed with high demand of people now... this is their plan...
eh.. only bus hubs, not everyone. Furthermore places like Pending is constraint due to side roads.and still it's not a mean to get more bendies. Parking at bus interchange will soon become an issue
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Originally posted by sbst275:
eh.. only bus hubs, not everyone. Furthermore places like Pending is constraint due to side roads.and still it's not a mean to get more bendies. Parking at bus interchange will soon become an issue
Probably the size of the Temp. Boon Lay Int would be suitable for example?