Daimler delivers the largest Asian Citaro order to date
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Originally posted by ghost79:
So you see, the Citaros have it's share of weaknesses and problems too
as we all know, nothing is perfect, but it does not mean that people stop giving praises about something -
yeah nothing is perfect. Imo there are certain down points about Citaros currently
1: Despite the Bluetec5 sign, it generates lots of smoke and leaves behind lots of soot too. Look at the bumper. And the exhaust placement. Should have positioned it to the right like the Citaros and Citaro Gs in UK
2: Certain hiccups here and there (doors cant close properly, bell sometimes sound for no apparent reason, EDS malfunction).
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I just heard a Citaro roaring on 53.
Oh no.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
I just heard a Citaro roaring on 53.
Oh no.
wait for the wear and tear to settle in for their next 17 years here. -
Originally posted by buses[IN]gapore!:
wait for the wear and tear to settle in for
their next 17 years here.
We'll see if you'll still throw heap of praises by then! -
Originally posted by ghost79:
We'll see if you'll still throw heap of praises by then!
So why had it won the bus of the year 2007 award -
Originally posted by CITARO LOV3R:
yeah nothing is perfect. Imo there are certain down points about Citaros currently
1: Despite the Bluetec5 sign, it generates lots of smoke and leaves behind lots of soot too. Look at the bumper. And the exhaust placement. Should have positioned it to the right like the Citaros and Citaro Gs in UK
2: Certain hiccups here and there (doors cant close properly, bell sometimes sound for no apparent reason, EDS malfunction).
forgotten the A/C too.. Seriously not satisifed with the A/C.. -
Originally posted by chickenlittle2:
forgotten the A/C too.. Seriously not satisifed with the A/C..on cold days they are great. Hot days... Well thats another thing. But I remember shivering at 1030am on the SMRT Citaro demo... Damn cold that time
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Originally posted by buses[IN]gapore!:
So why had it won the bus of the year 2007 award
The Habit won prizes too. So why have you not been praising it? -
Originally posted by buses[IN]gapore!:
So why had it won the bus of the year 2007 awardbus of the year in what area? maybe the Citaro in europe is too good to be true, thats why they awarded the title to it... Well come to a tropical country like SG, and one starts to see adaptation problems alr... Like 6014Y. Nonetheless, still my favourite bus!
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Originally posted by CITARO LOV3R:
on cold days they are great. Hot days... Well thats another thing. But I remember shivering at 1030am on the SMRT Citaro demo... Damn cold that time
i took 6003D in the late morning a few days back and the airconditioning was considered quite cold even though outside was blazing hot. -
Originally posted by buses[IN]gapore!:
i took 6003D in the late morning a few days back and the airconditioning was considered quite cold even though outside was blazing hot.so the a/c got mood one. when its
or 
it tortures the hell out of ya. but when its 
, it make you not want to leave the bus! -
Originally posted by CITARO LOV3R:
bus of the year in what area? maybe the Citaro in europe is too good to be true, thats why they awarded the title to it... Well come to a tropical country like SG, and one starts to see adaptation problems alr... Like 6014Y. Nonetheless, still my favourite bus!
http://www.ameinfo.com/98472.html lol European.
Yea i agree, adaption problems, but it should be a learning experience for the techs at MB & SBST to modify/tune the airconditioning to local climate.remembers the first few days of the C151A trainsets in operation, the rolling stocks also had initial technical issues, most seems to be ironed out by now.
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Originally posted by buses[IN]gapore!:
http://www.ameinfo.com/98472.html lol European.
Yea i agree, adaption problems, but it should be a learning experience for the techs at MB & SBST to modify/tune the airconditioning to local climate.remembers the first few days of the C151A trainsets in operation, the rolling stocks also had initial technical issues, most seems to be ironed out by now.
well somehow i cant rmb any initial probs with KUBs when they were first rolled out... oh wait i was too young then
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Originally posted by CITARO LOV3R:
well somehow i cant rmb any initial probs with KUBs when they were first rolled out... oh wait i was too young then
the K230UBs Euro IV batch 1 had a lot of engine vibrations when they were rolled out, together with the jerking and the seemingly sensitive braking system and the rear row of seats was quite hot.most of the K230UBs Euro IV's initial problems have been more or less fixed or reduced.
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Originally posted by buses[IN]gapore!:
the K230UBs Euro IV batch 1 had a lot of engine vibrations when they were rolled out, together with the jerking and the seemingly sensitive braking system and the rear row of seats was quite hot.most of the K230UBs Euro IV's initial problems have been more or less fixed or reduced.
ok.
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Originally posted by CITARO LOV3R:
yeah nothing is perfect. Imo there are certain down points about Citaros currently
1: Despite the Bluetec5 sign, it generates lots of smoke and leaves behind lots of soot too. Look at the bumper. And the exhaust placement. Should have positioned it to the right like the Citaros and Citaro Gs in UK
2: Certain hiccups here and there (doors cant close properly, bell sometimes sound for no apparent reason, EDS malfunction).
As for the bells, they are are all "click sensitive" and not "push sensitive", what makes this worse is they are all installed exactly at elbow levels. Just need someone carrying a bag or someone to slightly bump into it and off it goes.
I would also add the voith gearbox as a issue here, as the sbst citaro cannot cruise easily at 60km/h with it. This would cause higher fuel consumption, and stress to the engine components. The current configuration makes it very suitable for start-stop traffic, but not so much for expressway services.
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Originally posted by buses[IN]gapore!:
the K230UBs Euro IV batch 1 had a lot of engine vibrations when they were rolled out, together with the jerking and the seemingly sensitive braking system and the rear row of seats was quite hot.most of the K230UBs Euro IV's initial problems have been more or less fixed or reduced.
theres this BC of 6038D on 53, well he said he preferred the K's brakes more. but he overall enjoyed driving the Citaro more, says that theres little noise, very smooth.
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Originally posted by buses[IN]gapore!:
the K230UBs Euro IV batch 1 had a lot of engine vibrations when they were rolled out, together with the jerking and the seemingly sensitive braking system and the rear row of seats was quite hot.most of the K230UBs Euro IV's initial problems have been more or less fixed or reduced.
not all problems can be fixed if it is design issues like the A/C.. Maybe they can do the similar modification like what they did for the MB 0405.. -
Originally posted by ghost79:
The Habit won prizes too. So why have you not been praising it?
Typical hypocrite.
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Originally posted by chickenlittle2:
not all problems can be fixed if it is design issues like the A/C.. Maybe they can do the similar modification like what they did for the MB 0405..
it'll quite odd to me with the current eyeball outlets on the white panels of the Citaro -
Originally posted by buses[IN]gapore!:
it'll quite odd to me with the current eyeball outlets on the white panels of the Citaroi agree totally.
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Originally posted by Bus Stopping:
As for the bells, they are are all "click sensitive" and not "push sensitive", what makes this worse is they are all installed exactly at elbow levels. Just need someone carrying a bag or someone to slightly bump into it and off it goes.
I would also add the voith gearbox as a issue here, as the sbst citaro cannot cruise easily at 60km/h with it. This would cause higher fuel consumption, and stress to the engine components. The current configuration makes it very suitable for start-stop traffic, but not so much for expressway services.
thats why i prefer a ZF citaro... but well, the way SMRT SLs over-rev ZF Habits and Citaros makes me worry
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The bells are quite terrible. Once I took SBS6012C on 53 and... People press the bell but never light up. :(