Originally posted by lemon1974:Pt 1 - SBST was late in having WAB? Why SBST need to go buy WAB in 1998 when the infrastructure are not there? the bus stops are not all ready for PIW. The pathment are all not accessible by PIW (person in wheelchair)... so they buy also no use .. the PIW cant even get to the bus stops.. Why dun u go and bash LTA or Singapore Gov? further what can 20 dennis trident do if they are WAB? the most can be deploy on one service?
PT 2 - why cant they achieve 90% fleet to be WAB by 2015? what make u think they are lagging in deregistering the buses? the lifespan have not been up yet and time is needed to build the buses as well.. since last year till now, they haev registered 160 Citaros + 100+ Wrights DDs... which is more than 25% of the new fleet order. 9 months What make you think they are unable to roll out another 750 buses within the next 2 years? dun bash for the sake of bashing... go and bash SMRT instead...
and i dun understand why you are saying it is unfair to the old buses?? why is it unfair? retire them early is fair?
PT3 - LO2x original lifespan was only 12 years, it was extended to 15 years... so now u are asking why these NAC LO2x are not extended till 19 years and at the same time are asking why the VO2x are staying till end of their lifespan? dun understand your logic.. pls lah.. for the past 100 years, singapore weather is the same.. the older generation can take those NAC buses and yet nowadays, those new generation ppl are unable to take NAC buses? dun blow too much aircon. it is not good for you...
Actually I should say the LO2X were lucky enough to be de-registered after 17 years of service, even though they were supposed to be de-registered in 2001-2002 as their 15 years lifespan comes to an end back then.
Originally posted by jsu23:
SBS has its first WAB in 2002, this is very late compare to other Asia places. Japan and Hong Kong already have WAS in 1998. When they bought in the Dennis Tridents in 2000, they should have add in wheelchair facilities. So again, SBS have overemphasis on improving frequency and bringing new service. They have missed to improve bus facilities and maintenance. I was wrong mentioning having a full WAB bus fleet, it should have been this article, SBS Transit to Add 1,000 More Buses At A Cost of $433m - Close to 90% of Fleet Will Be New By 2015: http://sgforums.com/forums/1279/topics/455371. I don't think this is possible, now they are just utilizing bus lifespans, how could 90% of the bus fleet be new by 2015, if they now lag in retiring the buses? What a lie! If they can't meet their goal they made, then what is the point of making a goal and a promise? SBS should only make a promise if they could accomplish it. Now they can't do it, then don't say it first! In 2004, they said they have over 90% of the bus fleet air conditioned. They need to take up 10 years covert to a 100% air conditioned bus fleet. That is too long, and it is so unfair to the old buses. I remember 10 years ago, those LO2X retire so early. They retired by age 15, those buses were good condition. Why not give them a 19 year lifespan, if SBS don't care converting the bus fleet to full a/c? I do take non a/c buses and NAC buses are unacceptable in a advanced developed international city where the area is tropical and hot. The city should have high and international standard services. You think Singapore is like other SE developing countries/cities such as Malaysia, using cheap NAC buses? Your thoughts must be stuck under 40 years ago, when the country was still a developing country.
The first Singapore WAB bus entered service in 2006. It is just that it is manufactured in 2002, and it could not have been for SBS Transit back then?
Originally posted by lemon1974:bus is back since 2-3 weeks back.....
Originally posted by jsu23:
What I mean by old buses are buses in the past that retire early, like the LO2X that retire during 2001 to 2003. And why do you think in 2 years, it could even be less than 2 years until 2015 that 90% of the fleet could be new, it is impossible and they are lying, how could so much buses de-register, if they utilized their lifespan? If they utilized the old buses 19 years now, so as in 2015. Then they will lag behind and can't meet the goal they created. They keep creating so many new services and deploy so many additional buses, no way possible that 9/10 buses to be new described by the article. And nowadays are different from the past, you see the whole world temperature is increasing, even Singapore will get hotter, and life standard have increase. It is not like the past in those day where there is no ac and no advanced tech., and low standard that developing countries have.
there are many buses to be deregistered within the next two years. 200+ units of SD buses + 200+ units of DDs buses.... plus those buses bought under BSEP program.. all will be roll out in time... so just dun worry so much... if the bus come just take....dun bother whether it is new or old bus... as long as you can board the bus...
Originally posted by jsu23:
SBS has its first WAB in 2002, this is very late compare to other Asia places. Japan and Hong Kong already have WAS in 1998. When they bought in the Dennis Tridents in 2000, they should have add in wheelchair facilities. So again, SBS have overemphasis on improving frequency and bringing new service. They have missed to improve bus facilities and maintenance. I was wrong mentioning having a full WAB bus fleet, it should have been this article, SBS Transit to Add 1,000 More Buses At A Cost of $433m - Close to 90% of Fleet Will Be New By 2015: http://sgforums.com/forums/1279/topics/455371. I don't think this is possible, now they are just utilizing bus lifespans, how could 90% of the bus fleet be new by 2015, if they now lag in retiring the buses? What a lie! If they can't meet their goal they made, then what is the point of making a goal and a promise? SBS should only make a promise if they could accomplish it. Now they can't do it, then don't say it first! In 2004, they said they have over 90% of the bus fleet air conditioned. They need to take up 10 years covert to a 100% air conditioned bus fleet. That is too long, and it is so unfair to the old buses. I remember 10 years ago, those LO2X retire so early. They retired by age 15, those buses were good condition. Why not give them a 19 year lifespan, if SBS don't care converting the bus fleet to full a/c? I do take non a/c buses and NAC buses are unacceptable in a advanced developed international city where the area is tropical and hot. The city should have high and international standard services. You think Singapore is like other SE developing countries/cities such as Malaysia, using cheap NAC buses? Your thoughts must be stuck under 40 years ago, when the country was still a developing country.
Cool story bro. Bus lifespan was few years lesser previously. Find out facts before making embarrasing yourself here.
Originally posted by lemon1974:bus is back since 2-3 weeks back.....
Oh, but it was still quite cui.
Originally posted by SBS 6078 M:Oh, but it was still quite cui.
Originally posted by lemon1974:there are many buses to be deregistered within the next two years. 200+ units of SD buses + 200+ units of DDs buses.... plus those buses bought under BSEP program.. all will be roll out in time... so just dun worry so much... if the bus come just take....dun bother whether it is new or old bus... as long as you can board the bus...
SBS only cares about the frequency and new bus services. This is not enough, they also need to care about improving their maintenance/the efficiency of bus mechanics and improving/upgrading bus facilities. That is important and essential as well. They can't just only emphasis on adding additional buses and bringing new bus routes.
Slowly and steadily, the last Alexander Royale bodywork type with round headlamps at the front will walk into history (along with its two axles variant which will also retire around this time period).
Info from BIS top official page on Singapore Buses~
Originally posted by jsu23:
SBS only cares about the frequency and new bus services. This is not enough, they also need to care about improving their maintenance/the efficiency of bus mechanics and improving/upgrading bus facilities. That is important and essential as well. They can't just only emphasis on adding additional buses and bringing new bus routes.
Oh? Then I suggest you go to SMRT AMDEP and see how many buses are NOT deployed due to maintenance issues and engine overhaul, comparing to those from SBST. Even though SBST has more buses, but SMRT had a larger number of buses not being deployed due to such trivial issues.+
Originally posted by lemon1974:there are many buses to be deregistered within the next two years. 200+ units of SD buses + 200+ units of DDs buses.... plus those buses bought under BSEP program.. all will be roll out in time... so just dun worry so much... if the bus come just take....dun bother whether it is new or old bus... as long as you can board the bus...
The older design(am I right to say) of Alexander(Basically MK3, Mercz, VO2X, VO3X batch1) are going off so fast :/ damn
Originally posted by jsu23:
SBS only cares about the frequency and new bus services. This is not enough, they also need to care about improving their maintenance/the efficiency of bus mechanics and improving/upgrading bus facilities. That is important and essential as well. They can't just only emphasis on adding additional buses and bringing new bus routes.
Can you be more specific? I think SBS has done a great job with upgrading all its services. I am sure they are also striving towards more optimization and efficiency.
SBS9200G to SBS9202B - officially de-registered on 9 June 2013.
Originally posted by Gus.chong:Actually I should say the LO2X were lucky enough to be de-registered after 17 years of service, even though they were supposed to be de-registered in 2001-2002 as their 15 years lifespan comes to an end back then.
LO2X were de-registered after 15 years, not 17 years. Those registered in 1988 were completely gone by late 2003..
How come wiki does not have the following VO2X buses?
SBS 7202P, SBS 7303L, SBS 7205G - SBS 7207B, SBS 7210R, SBS 7211M, SBS 7213H, SBS 7219S, SBS 7237P
I checked VRL they are not laid up, so what's the reason?
Originally posted by SBS1929R:How come wiki does not have the following VO2X buses?
SBS 7202P, SBS 7303L, SBS 7205G - SBS 7207B, SBS 7210R, SBS 7211M, SBS 7213H, SBS 7219S, SBS 7237P
I checked VRL they are not laid up, so what's the reason?
They're under ADR status.
SBS 7202P, SBS 7203L deregistered 13 June 2013.
Originally posted by SBS1929R:SBS 7202P, SBS 7203L deregistered 13 June 2013.
14 June, not 13 June -.-
Originally posted by SBS 6078 M:14 June, not 13 June -.-
The date does not matter...the two NACs was no longer in service since sometime way before the de-registration date...
Originally posted by SBS1929R:How come wiki does not have the following VO2X buses?
SBS 7202P, SBS 7303L, SBS 7205G - SBS 7207B, SBS 7210R, SBS 7211M, SBS 7213H, SBS 7219S, SBS 7237P
I checked VRL they are not laid up, so what's the reason?
*** SBS7203L ***
Originally posted by SBS 6078 M:They're under ADR status.
The list of non-revenue buses did not include SBS7237P as part of the buses awaiting retirement.
Originally posted by TIB1218R:LO2X were de-registered after 15 years, not 17 years. Those registered in 1988 were completely gone by late 2003..
Nope. Buses registered in 1986-1987 are also de-registered in 2003 as they had been given 2 years lifespan extension back in 2001-2002 (that applies to our current buses today).
Look at SBS6908T for example (the rest you can go and check at OM), it is registered on 10 Dec 1986 and de-registered on 12 May 2003.
SBS 9203Z - SBS 9208K officially deregistered on 28 June 2013
SBS 7202P, SBS 7203L, SBS 7205G - SBS 7207B officially deregistered on 28 June 2013