Originally posted by SBS 9631X:Depends alot on factors such as crush loading and number of passengers on average for the services. If the service itself depends alot on crush loading which requires relatively larger amount of standing space (KUB's vs Citaro's), Citaros are simply not suitable though.
Not to say that they won't get, just that probably some of the services' SLs might prefer KUBs instead so that they can keep up with the timetable instead of waiting for the pax to squeeze into the tight aisle on the Citaros.
True... then why is 163 still flooded wif MKIV after the MKIIIs are gone? That is the same effect as Citaro leh, only worse still... ![]()
Is 6050S really (AR 5)? Cos i saw it on 16 just now at Tiong Bahru Plaza leh..
SBS Transit Mercedes-Benz Citaro
Quantity: 222 / 300
Permanent Bus Services:
5, 6. 7, 9, 14, 14e, 16, 24, 27, 28, 30e, 32, 33, 34, 35, 48, 51, 52, 53, 56, 66, 82, 83, 93, 96, 99, 101, 109, 111, 123, 123M, 125, 131, 138, 151, 156, 158, 175, 195, 196, 196e, 222, 229, 261, 315, 317, 333, 335, 354, 502, 518
Miscellaneous Bus Services:
2, 3, 8, 10, 10e, 12, 15, 17, 21, 29, 30, 31, 36, 38, 39, 43, 45, 54, 55, 57, 58, 59, 62, 64, 65, 69, 74, 78, 80, 81, 84, 87, 89, 95, 97, 98, 98M, 100, 105, 107, 107M, 119, 133, 143, 147, 154, 157, 161, 163, 163M, 165, 166, 168, 174, 174e, 179A, 181, 183, 185, 193, 198, 200, 225, 228, 238, 240, 241, 243, 268, 269, 272, 273, 275, 282, 284, 285, 291, 292, 293, 325, 334, 358, 372, 400, 401, 403, 410, 506, 560
Deployments
> SBS6000L (BNDEP 28)
> SBS6001J (BNDEP 28)
> SBS6002G (AMDEP 138)
> SBS6003D (AMDEP 138)
> SBS6004B (AMDEP 138)
> SBS6005Z (AMDEP 138)
> SBS6006X (SLBP 52)
> SBS6007T (BRBP 28)
> SBS6008R (BRBP 28)
> SBS6009M (BRBP 28)
> SBS6010H (AMDEP 53)
> SBS6011E (AMDEP 53)
> SBS6012C (AMDEP 53)
> SBS6013A (BRBP 131)
> SBS6014Y (AMDEP 53)
> SBS6015U (AMDEP 53)
> SBS6016S (AMDEP 53)
> SBS6017P (SLBP 502)
> SBS6018L (ARBP 16)
> SBS6019J (ARBP 195)
> SBS6020D (ARBP 195)
> SBS6021B (ARBP 16)
> SBS6022Z (BBDEP 175)
> SBS6023X (BBDEP 175)
> SBS6024T (ARBP 123)
> SBS6025R (ARBP 123)
> SBS6026M (ARBP 16)
> SBS6027K (ARBP 16)
> SBS6028H (ARBP 32)
> SBS6029E (SLBP 52)
> SBS6030A (SLBP 52)
> SBS6031Y (SLBP 52)
> SBS6032U (SLBP 502)
> SBS6033S (SLBP 66)
> SBS6034P (SLBP 66)
> SBS6035L (AMDEP 53)
> SBS6036J (AMDEP 53)
> SBS6037G (AMDEP 53)
> SBS6038D (AMDEP 53)
> SBS6039B (ARBP 32)
> SBS6040X (BBDEP 175)
> SBS6041T (BBDEP 175)
> SBS6042R (BBDEP 96)
> SBS6043M (BBDEP 96)
> SBS6044K (BBDEP 96)
> SBS6045H (BBDEP 96)
> SBS6046E (BBDEP 96)
> SBS6047C (BBDEP 175)
> SBS6048A (BBDEP 175)
> SBS6049Y (BBDEP 7/93)
> SBS6050S (ARBP 5)
> SBS6051P (ARBP 48)
> SBS6052L (ARBP 111)
> SBS6053J (HGDEP 83)
> SBS6054G (HGDEP 83)
> SBS6055D (AMDEP 53)
> SBS6056B (BRBP 131)
> SBS6057Z (AMDEP 125)
> SBS6058X (BNDEP 109)
> SBS6059T (BNDEP 9/35)
> SBS6060M (AMDEP 125)
> SBS6061K (BNDEP 222)
> SBS6062H (AMDEP 56)
> SBS6063E (AMDEP 56)
> SBS6064C (AMDEP 138)
> SBS6065A (HGDEP 109)
> SBS6066Y (SLBP 335)
> SBS6067U (HGDEP 109)
> SBS6068S (HGDEP 101)
> SBS6069P (SLBP 333)
> SBS6070J (SLBP 333)
> SBS6071G (SLBP 52)
> SBS6072D (SLBP 52)
> SBS6073B (SLBP 502)
> SBS6074Z (SLBP 502)
> SBS6075X (SLBP 66)
> SBS6076T (HGDEP 109)
> SBS6077R (AMDEP 24)
> SBS6078M (AMDEP 24)
> SBS6079K (BRBP 131)
> SBS6080E (HGDEP 315/317)
> SBS6081C (AMDEP 24/261)
> SBS6082A (BNDEP 222)
> SBS6083Y (BNDEP 222)
> SBS6084U (BNDEP 518)
> SBS6085S (BNDEP 518)
> SBS6086P (HGDEP 315)
> SBS6087L (HGDEP 101)
> SBS6088J (HGDEP 51)
> SBS6089G (HGDEP 83)
> SBS6090B (HGDEP 83)
> SBS6091Z (HGDEP 83/TRG)
> SBS6092X (HGDEP 83)
> SBS6093T (HGDEP 101)
> SBS6094R (BNDEP 28)
> SBS6095M (HGDEP 101)
> SBS6096K (HGDEP 158)
> SBS6097H (HGDEP 158)
> SBS6098E (HGDEP 151)
> SBS6099C (HGDEP 82)
> SBS6100G (HGDEP 101)
> SBS6101D (ARBP 48)
> SBS6102B (HGDEP TRG)
> SBS6103Z (HGDEP TRG)
> SBS6104X (ARBP 16)
> SBS6105T (HGDEP TRG)
> SBS6106R (BBDEP 156)
> SBS6107M (ARBP 123)
> SBS6108K (HGDEP TRG)
> SBS6109H (BRBP 131)
> SBS6110C (ARBP 111)
> SBS6111A (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6112Y (ARBP 16)
> SBS6113U (ARBP 16)
> SBS6114S (BBDEP 175)
> SBS6115P (HGDEP 317)
> SBS6116L (BNDEP 109)
> SBS6117J (BNDEP 518)
> SBS6118G (ARBP 16)
> SBS6119D (ARBP 16)
> SBS6120Z (ARBP 16)
> SBS6121X (ARBP 16)
> SBS6122T (HGDEP 317)
> SBS6123R (BBDEP 175)
> SBS6124M (HGDEP 151)
> SBS6125K (HGDEP 151)
> SBS6126H (BNDEP 9/35)
> SBS6127E (HGDEP 151)
> SBS6128C (HGDEP 101)
> SBS6129A (HGDEP 101)
> SBS6130U (HGDEP 101)
> SBS6131S (HGDEP 51)
> SBS6132P (HGDEP 158)
> SBS6133L (HGDEP 158)
> SBS6134J (HGDEP 82)
> SBS6135G (HGDEP 27)
> SBS6136D (BBDEP 175)
> SBS6137B (HGDEP 27)
> SBS6138Z (HGDEP 27)
> SBS6139X (ARBP 16)
> SBS6140R (HGDEP 27)
> SBS6141M (BBDEP 175)
> SBS6142K (BBDEP 175)
> SBS6143H (HGDEP 34)
> SBS6144E (ARBP 16)
> SBS6145C (ARBP 16)
> SBS6146A (ARBP 123)
> SBS6147Y (HGDEP 34)
> SBS6148U (ARBP 123)
> SBS6149S (ARBP 123)
> SBS6150L (BNDEP 33)
> SBS6151J (BNDEP 33)
> SBS6152G (BNDEP 33)
> SBS6153D (BNDEP 33)
> SBS6154B (ARBP 123)
> SBS6155Z (BNDEP 35)
> SBS6156X (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6157T (BNDEP 109)
> SBS6158R (ARBP 16)
> SBS6159M (BBDEP 99)
> SBS6160H (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6161E (ARBP 16)
> SBS6162C (ARBP 16)
> SBS6163A (BNDEP 28)
> SBS6164Y (ARBP 16)
> SBS6165U (BNDEP 222)
> SBS6166S (BNDEP 6)
> SBS6167P (ARBP 16)
> SBS6168L (BNDEP 518)
> SBS6170D (BNDEP 229)
> SBS6171B (BNDEP 229)
> SBS6172Z (BNDEP 229/30e)
> SBS6173X (HGDEP 34)
> SBS6174T (BNDEP 14/14e)
> SBS6175R (HGDEP 83)
> SBS6176M (HGDEP 109)
> SBS6178H (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6179E (BNDEP 196/196e)
> SBS6180A (BNDEP 354)
> SBS6181Y (ARBP 16)
> SBS6182U (ARBP 16)
> SBS6183S (BNDEP 6)
> SBS6184P (HGDEP 156)
> SBS6185L (BNDEP SP)
> SBS6186J (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6187G (ARBP 93)
> SBS6188D (ARBP 93)
> SBS6189B (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6190X (HGDEP 156)
> SBS6191T (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6192R (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6193M (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6194K (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6196E (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6197C (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6198A (BNDEP SP)
> SBS6199Y (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6200B (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6201Z (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6202X (BNDEP SP)
> SBS6203T (BNDEP SP)
> SBS6204R (BNDEP SP)
> SBS6205M
> SBS6206K (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6207H (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6208E (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6209C
> SBS6210Y (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6211U (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6213P (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6216G (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6217D
> SBS6218B
> SBS6219Z (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6220T (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6221R
> SBS6222M (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6223K
> SBS6224H (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6225E (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6226C
> SBS6227A
Originally posted by TIB1105H:Is 6050S really (AR 5)? Cos i saw it on 16 just now at Tiong Bahru Plaza leh..
Yes it is. It is just a cameo. AR citaros are cameoing here and there on diff services these days.
Now HGDEP is being spammed with Citaros. And there's many more coming! :D
SBS 6217D ON SV 109 (HG SP ?)
Originally posted by SMB228X:Now HGDEP is being spammed with Citaros. And there's many more coming! :D
@ the moment BB / AR even hv more then HG
Originally posted by SBS 9631X:Depends alot on factors such as crush loading and number of passengers on average for the services. If the service itself depends alot on crush loading which requires relatively larger amount of standing space (KUB's vs Citaro's), Citaros are simply not suitable though.
Not to say that they won't get, just that probably some of the services' SLs might prefer KUBs instead so that they can keep up with the timetable instead of waiting for the pax to squeeze into the tight aisle on the Citaros.
What he was talking about is that the old buses were still replaced by old buses not K230UBs.
Registered on 18 May 2012
Originally posted by SBS 9631X:Yeah, that was quite obvious isn't it
Used to be 358 & 359, at least 6116L did 358 few days back. Not that i want Citaros on 359 though, i prefer a Mk4 to replace 858T due to the crowds during peak hours.
It's okay. I'm not in favour of Citaros as well.
Originally posted by Myhabit:Registered on 18 May 2012
- SBS6212S
- SBS6214L
- SBS6215J
- SBS6228Y
SBS6169J, 6177K and 6195H still not registered.Total: 226 / 300
Off-topic: You may also want to check for registrations of Wrights the next time.
Originally posted by Gus.chong:Where?
click my name.QX179R found it.
Originally posted by SBS7557R:SBS Transit Mercedes-Benz Citaro
Quantity: 222 / 300
Permanent Bus Services:
5, 6. 7, 9, 14, 14e, 16, 24, 27, 28, 30e, 32, 33, 34, 35, 48, 51, 52, 53, 56, 66, 82, 83, 93, 96, 99, 101, 109, 111, 123, 123M, 125, 131, 138, 151, 156, 158, 175, 195, 196, 196e, 222, 229, 261, 315, 317, 333, 335, 354, 502, 518Miscellaneous Bus Services:
2, 3, 8, 10, 10e, 12, 15, 17, 21, 29, 30, 31, 36, 38, 39, 43, 45, 54, 55, 57, 58, 59, 62, 64, 65, 69, 74, 78, 80, 81, 84, 87, 89, 95, 97, 98, 98M, 100, 105, 107, 107M, 119, 133, 143, 147, 154, 157, 161, 163, 163M, 165, 166, 168, 174, 174e, 179A, 181, 183, 185, 193, 198, 200, 225, 228, 238, 240, 241, 243, 268, 269, 272, 273, 275, 282, 284, 285, 291, 292, 293, 325, 334, 358, 372, 400, 401, 403, 410, 506, 560Deployments
> SBS6000L (BNDEP 28)
> SBS6001J (BNDEP 28)
> SBS6002G (AMDEP 138)
> SBS6003D (AMDEP 138)
> SBS6004B (AMDEP 138)
> SBS6005Z (AMDEP 138)
> SBS6006X (SLBP 52)
> SBS6007T (BRBP 28)
> SBS6008R (BRBP 28)
> SBS6009M (BRBP 28)
> SBS6010H (AMDEP 53)
> SBS6011E (AMDEP 53)
> SBS6012C (AMDEP 53)
> SBS6013A (BRBP 131)
> SBS6014Y (AMDEP 53)
> SBS6015U (AMDEP 53)
> SBS6016S (AMDEP 53)
> SBS6017P (SLBP 502)
> SBS6018L (ARBP 16)
> SBS6019J (ARBP 195)
> SBS6020D (ARBP 195)
> SBS6021B (ARBP 16)
> SBS6022Z (BBDEP 175)
> SBS6023X (BBDEP 175)
> SBS6024T (ARBP 123)
> SBS6025R (ARBP 123)
> SBS6026M (ARBP 16)
> SBS6027K (ARBP 16)
> SBS6028H (ARBP 32)
> SBS6029E (SLBP 52)
> SBS6030A (SLBP 52)
> SBS6031Y (SLBP 52)
> SBS6032U (SLBP 502)
> SBS6033S (SLBP 66)
> SBS6034P (SLBP 66)
> SBS6035L (AMDEP 53)
> SBS6036J (AMDEP 53)
> SBS6037G (AMDEP 53)
> SBS6038D (AMDEP 53)
> SBS6039B (ARBP 32)
> SBS6040X (BBDEP 175)
> SBS6041T (BBDEP 175)
> SBS6042R (BBDEP 96)
> SBS6043M (BBDEP 96)
> SBS6044K (BBDEP 96)
> SBS6045H (BBDEP 96)
> SBS6046E (BBDEP 96)
> SBS6047C (BBDEP 175)
> SBS6048A (BBDEP 175)
> SBS6049Y (BBDEP 7/93)
> SBS6050S (ARBP 5)
> SBS6051P (ARBP 48)
> SBS6052L (ARBP 111)
> SBS6053J (HGDEP 83)
> SBS6054G (HGDEP 83)
> SBS6055D (AMDEP 53)
> SBS6056B (BRBP 131)
> SBS6057Z (AMDEP 125)
> SBS6058X (BNDEP 109)
> SBS6059T (BNDEP 9/35)
> SBS6060M (AMDEP 125)
> SBS6061K (BNDEP 222)
> SBS6062H (AMDEP 56)
> SBS6063E (AMDEP 56)
> SBS6064C (AMDEP 138)
> SBS6065A (HGDEP 109)
> SBS6066Y (SLBP 335)
> SBS6067U (HGDEP 109)
> SBS6068S (HGDEP 101)
> SBS6069P (SLBP 333)
> SBS6070J (SLBP 333)
> SBS6071G (SLBP 52)
> SBS6072D (SLBP 52)
> SBS6073B (SLBP 502)
> SBS6074Z (SLBP 502)
> SBS6075X (SLBP 66)
> SBS6076T (HGDEP 109)
> SBS6077R (AMDEP 24)
> SBS6078M (AMDEP 24)
> SBS6079K (BRBP 131)
> SBS6080E (HGDEP 315/317)
> SBS6081C (AMDEP 24/261)
> SBS6082A (BNDEP 222)
> SBS6083Y (BNDEP 222)
> SBS6084U (BNDEP 518)
> SBS6085S (BNDEP 518)
> SBS6086P (HGDEP 315)
> SBS6087L (HGDEP 101)
> SBS6088J (HGDEP 51)
> SBS6089G (HGDEP 83)
> SBS6090B (HGDEP 83)
> SBS6091Z (HGDEP 83/TRG)
> SBS6092X (HGDEP 83)
> SBS6093T (HGDEP 101)
> SBS6094R (BNDEP 28)
> SBS6095M (HGDEP 101)
> SBS6096K (HGDEP 158)
> SBS6097H (HGDEP 158)
> SBS6098E (HGDEP 151)
> SBS6099C (HGDEP 82)
> SBS6100G (HGDEP 101)
> SBS6101D (ARBP 48)
> SBS6102B (HGDEP TRG)
> SBS6103Z (HGDEP TRG)
> SBS6104X (ARBP 16)
> SBS6105T (HGDEP TRG)
> SBS6106R (BBDEP 156)
> SBS6107M (ARBP 123)
> SBS6108K (HGDEP TRG)
> SBS6109H (BRBP 131)
> SBS6110C (ARBP 111)
> SBS6111A (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6112Y (ARBP 16)
> SBS6113U (ARBP 16)
> SBS6114S (BBDEP 175)
> SBS6115P (HGDEP 317)
> SBS6116L (BNDEP 109)
> SBS6117J (BNDEP 518)
> SBS6118G (ARBP 16)
> SBS6119D (ARBP 16)
> SBS6120Z (ARBP 16)
> SBS6121X (ARBP 16)
> SBS6122T (HGDEP 317)
> SBS6123R (BBDEP 175)
> SBS6124M (HGDEP 151)
> SBS6125K (HGDEP 151)
> SBS6126H (BNDEP 9/35)
> SBS6127E (HGDEP 151)
> SBS6128C (HGDEP 101)
> SBS6129A (HGDEP 101)
> SBS6130U (HGDEP 101)
> SBS6131S (HGDEP 51)
> SBS6132P (HGDEP 158)
> SBS6133L (HGDEP 158)
> SBS6134J (HGDEP 82)
> SBS6135G (HGDEP 27)
> SBS6136D (BBDEP 175)
> SBS6137B (HGDEP 27)
> SBS6138Z (HGDEP 27)
> SBS6139X (ARBP 16)
> SBS6140R (HGDEP 27)
> SBS6141M (BBDEP 175)
> SBS6142K (BBDEP 175)
> SBS6143H (HGDEP 34)
> SBS6144E (ARBP 16)
> SBS6145C (ARBP 16)
> SBS6146A (ARBP 123)
> SBS6147Y (HGDEP 34)
> SBS6148U (ARBP 123)
> SBS6149S (ARBP 123)
> SBS6150L (BNDEP 33)
> SBS6151J (BNDEP 33)
> SBS6152G (BNDEP 33)
> SBS6153D (BNDEP 33)
> SBS6154B (ARBP 123)
> SBS6155Z (BNDEP 35)
> SBS6156X (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6157T (BNDEP 109)
> SBS6158R (ARBP 16)
> SBS6159M (BBDEP 99)
> SBS6160H (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6161E (ARBP 16)
> SBS6162C (ARBP 16)
> SBS6163A (BNDEP 28)
> SBS6164Y (ARBP 16)
> SBS6165U (BNDEP 222)
> SBS6166S (BNDEP 6)
> SBS6167P (ARBP 16)
> SBS6168L (BNDEP 518)
> SBS6170D (BNDEP 229)
> SBS6171B (BNDEP 229)
> SBS6172Z (BNDEP 229/30e)
> SBS6173X (HGDEP 34)
> SBS6174T (BNDEP 14/14e)
> SBS6175R (HGDEP 83)
> SBS6176M (HGDEP 109)
> SBS6178H (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6179E (BNDEP 196/196e)
> SBS6180A (BNDEP 354)
> SBS6181Y (ARBP 16)
> SBS6182U (ARBP 16)
> SBS6183S (BNDEP 6)
> SBS6184P (HGDEP 156)
> SBS6185L (BNDEP SP)
> SBS6186J (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6187G (ARBP 93)
> SBS6188D (ARBP 93)
> SBS6189B (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6190X (HGDEP 156)
> SBS6191T (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6192R (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6193M (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6194K (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6196E (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6197C (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6198A (BNDEP SP)
> SBS6199Y (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6200B (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6201Z (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6202X (BNDEP SP)
> SBS6203T (BNDEP SP)
> SBS6204R (BNDEP SP)
> SBS6205M
> SBS6206K (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6207H (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6208E (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6209C
> SBS6210Y (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6211U (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6213P (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6216G (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6217D
> SBS6218B
> SBS6219Z (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6220T (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6221R
> SBS6222M (BBDEP SP)
> SBS6223K
> SBS6224H (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6225E (HGDEP SP)
> SBS6226C
> SBS6227A
Since when 269 citaros?
Originally posted by SBS 6078 M:click my name.QX179R found it.
Oh, I didn't even know you could create such a funny forum.
Originally posted by TIB1105H:Is 6050S really (AR 5)? Cos i saw it on 16 just now at Tiong Bahru Plaza leh..
Uh yes, 6050S is perm AR 5. Spotted it almost every weekday for the past 1+ week or so on Sv 5. Just that sometimes (actually these few weeks this was the trend) the Sv 16 / 175 Citaros come to do Sv 5 instead on weekdays, so AR/BB play mahjong with their Citaro fleet uh. ![]()
I really hopes that SBST will consider the new Euro VI 7.7litres 299ps/1200nm version at least for the last 50 buses....
Originally posted by carbikebus:I really hopes that SBST will consider the new Euro VI 7.7litres 299ps/1200nm version at least for the last 50 buses....
See u also like new Citaros!!! SBS and SMRT should get 800 more Euro VI Citaros!!!
SBS6226C
(HGDEP SP)
On 317 today.
Originally posted by carbikebus:I really hopes that SBST will consider the new Euro VI 7.7litres 299ps/1200nm version at least for the last 50 buses....
I doubt so. The order of these 300 new buses is most likely as one whole batch of the Citaro 2 agreed in late 2010 as a total package of the deal.
But I do hope that SBST will get the new Mercedes Benz Citaro C2 EURO VI buses to replace the future retiring Volvo B10Ms.
Originally posted by vicamour:
I doubt so. The order of these 300 new buses is most likely as one whole batch of the Citaro 2 agreed in late 2010 as a total package of the deal.But I do hope that SBST will get the new Mercedes Benz Citaro C2 EURO VI buses to replace the future retiring Volvo B10Ms.
Don't hope, tell SBS how good Citaros are n ask them buy more!!
Originally posted by SMB228X:Don't hope, tell SBS how good Citaros are n ask them buy more!!
Impossible.
Originally posted by Gus.chong:
Impossible.
If u don't tell them how SBS will know everybody loves Citaros???
Originally posted by SMB228X:If u don't tell them how SBS will know everybody loves Citaros???
I don't want to tell them and I don't like Citaros.
Originally posted by Gus.chong:I don't want to tell them and I don't like Citaros.
All of us loves Citaro except you!
Originally posted by Gus.chong e:All of us loves Citaro except you!
Are you sure it's just only me?