Daimler delivers largest Asian Citaro order to date (Part 2)

• sbst275

  15 Jun 12, 21:50

  Originally posted by carbikebus:

  Sbst275 I feel 65 on highways is better but not on urban areas such as orchard.Cause when the bus is full load your 60 is totally different Liao.

  
  I know

  But thing is, our speed limit is usually on a full number because of our speedometer layout isn't it?

  Urban area got their speed limit which may be lower than 60, that's another issue.

• carbikebus

  15 Jun 12, 21:57

  Now with new modern engine it'd getting more complicated for the driver to tampered the buses to go faster.Urban of course if you speed at 60 you're asking for trouble.

• carbikebus

  15 Jun 12, 22:00

  Usually the speed trap is standard setting ie if I shot a bus speeding between 65-70 my radar only show 58-64kmh...I've ever been shot twice on both car and motorbike.They shot 88kmh when I was driving above 95kmh and 85kmh when I was riding 97kmh

• SBS 6078 M

  15 Jun 12, 22:23

  Originally posted by TIB1218R:

  Wow 2 months? Don't you miss the KUBs?
  Yes, Scania is better for me, especially Scania N113CRB
  
  IMO, 60km/h is very slow. Hope they can increase to 70 or 80
  
  Btw, i saw 6280 at C&C. Seems like the delivery of Citaros is almost complete

  6280U at C&C highest rego u saw?

• nfshp253

  15 Jun 12, 22:29

  60km/h on highways is ridiculous. They should make it at least 70km/h so that KUBs won't vibrate like hell and also because 70km/h is about the maximum final drive speed of all the buses.
• SMB228X

  15 Jun 12, 23:53

  Originally posted by nfshp253:

  60km/h on highways is ridiculous. They should make it at least 70km/h so that KUBs won’t vibrate like hell and also because 70km/h is about the maximum final drive speed of all the buses.

  
  Must increased to 80km/h!! Otherwise very slow!!
• service_238

  16 Jun 12, 00:52

  Originally posted by SBS 9631X:

  Plus like what 'sbst275' said, 60kmh is slow to you cause the SMRT O405s are going faster, and that's because they broke the system somehow by not sticking to the limit. If you want something faster, go take a cab or train. Buses aren't exactly the fastest solution to get from point-to-point nowadays anyway.

  train?! nowadays is like the fast version of the bus - same speed without traffic lights only. then sometimes go as slow as a van like how a vehicle goes over a metal plated road cos there's road works underneath.

  last time take train can really feel the fast-ness of it.

• SBS7491X

  16 Jun 12, 00:54

  159 most neglected service to date. That service has NO new buses. I don't think got any cameos also.

  SBS6007T cameo on service 88

• SBS 6078 M

  16 Jun 12, 01:36

  Originally posted by SBS7491X:

  159 most neglected service to date. That service has NO new buses. I don't think got any cameos also.

  SBS6007T cameo on service 88

  That picture was actually stolen.

  Plus

  That happened when the citaros just got registered

• TIB1173K

  16 Jun 12, 09:28

  When will all 300 citaros on Service? Registration is damn slow nia. 

• TIB1218R

  16 Jun 12, 09:35

  Originally posted by SBS 6078 M:

  6280U at C&C highest rego u saw?

  I passed by C&C..Only saw from outside. There are some citaro without rego
  I only saw 6273 and 6280. Whole place flooded with citaros
  
  I think by August complete already

• TIB1218R

  16 Jun 12, 09:38

  Originally posted by SBS7491X:

  159 most neglected service to date. That service has NO new buses. I don't think got any cameos also.

  SBS6007T cameo on service 88

  Those B10Ms on 159 are more comfortable than new buses
  You forgot svc 85,182,246,249,251,252,254 and 257

• SBS9C

  16 Jun 12, 11:13

  Originally posted by nfshp253:

  60km/h on highways is ridiculous. They should make it at least 70km/h so that KUBs won’t vibrate like hell and also because 70km/h is about the maximum final drive speed of all the buses.

  But I have seen on the dashboard KUB speeding at 65km/h before, Guess that it is limited around 65-70km/h rather than 60km/h.

• nfshp253

  16 Jun 12, 11:33

  I'm quite sure KUBs are limited to about 62km/h and Citaros to exactly 60km/h. KUBs do go faster when going downhill if they were at 60km/h at the top. For example, KUBs on 36 will hit 85km/h at the bottom of Benjamin Sheares Bridge if the BC does not apply the accelerator as doing so will activate the speed limiter and not allow it to surpass 62km/h. Not sure about Citaros though, haven't seen any BC who doesn't use the brakes to keep at 60km/h when going downhill. Overly cautious maybe?
• sbst275

  16 Jun 12, 12:18

  Originally posted by nfshp253:

  I’m quite sure KUBs are limited to about 62km/h and Citaros to exactly 60km/h. KUBs do go faster when going downhill if they were at 60km/h at the top. For example, KUBs on 36 will hit 85km/h at the bottom of Benjamin Sheares Bridge if the BC does not apply the accelerator as doing so will activate the speed limiter and not allow it to surpass 62km/h. Not sure about Citaros though, haven’t seen any BC who doesn’t use the brakes to keep at 60km/h when going downhill. Overly cautious maybe?

  
  When you go downslope, tendency is to avoid braking if you can.. keep a lookout what's ahead..

• Bus Stopping

  16 Jun 12, 15:02

  Originally posted by nfshp253:

  I’m quite sure KUBs are limited to about 62km/h and Citaros to exactly 60km/h. KUBs do go faster when going downhill if they were at 60km/h at the top. For example, KUBs on 36 will hit 85km/h at the bottom of Benjamin Sheares Bridge if the BC does not apply the accelerator as doing so will activate the speed limiter and not allow it to surpass 62km/h. Not sure about Citaros though, haven’t seen any BC who doesn’t use the brakes to keep at 60km/h when going downhill. Overly cautious maybe?

  The sbst citaros has a final drive ratio that is configured such that the top speed is only about 65km/h with the 4 speed voith gearbox. 4th gear kicks in normally around 40-45km/h on a flat road, and thus the bc will have to step on the acclerator to maintain 60km/h. What you feel as braking should just be the engine brake kicking in due to the high rpm of the engine, not the actual fiction brakes itself.

  On the other hand, the kubs hits 6th gear at around 55-60km/h, it'll easily cruise at lower rpm without much effort.

• SBS7484P

  16 Jun 12, 15:08

  The Citaro is hampered by its regular fixed geometry turbo, and has extreme turbo lag.
  
  Hence the Voith is more suitable for it as it keeps the engine spinning at 1300+RPMs in order to reduce turbo spooling time.

  Anything KUB E4 and older have fixed geometry turbo, whilst the KUB E5 and the Wrights have VGT (variable geometry turbo) to increase pressure at low RPMs and provide more boost.

   

• SBS 9631X

  16 Jun 12, 16:24

  Originally posted by service_238:

  train?! nowadays is like the fast version of the bus - same speed without traffic lights only. then sometimes go as slow as a van like how a vehicle goes over a metal plated road cos there's road works underneath.

  last time take train can really feel the fast-ness of it.

  Uh yeah true that, nowadays the increasingly-common train distruptions have made it comparable to pace of bus rides already. 

• SBS 9631X

  16 Jun 12, 16:27

  Originally posted by carbikebus:

  Problem is the speedo of each bus model is different.MAN 60kmh is not same as Citaro 60kmh leh.And some buses the 60kmh feel like 50-55 only seriously..If u drive Sbst and Smrt buses before then you will know why.Talking is easier than doing.I ever drive 1 MkIV DM on 36 and the 60 seriously is like 50 and worsened if the bus is full load.At least governed all the buses below 70 then it be ok.

  The diff actual speeds of the diff models even though the speedo still reads 60kmh, is it due to the calibration of the speedos? I know that the older a vehicle, somehow the speedo will fail to display the correct actual speed of the vehicle.

• SBS7557R

  16 Jun 12, 16:35

  SBS Transit Mercedes-Benz O530 Citaro

  Quantity: 245 / 300

  Bus Services
  2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 10e, 12, 14, 14e, 15, 16, 17, 21, 24, 27, 28, 29, 30, 30e, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 38, 39, 40, 43, 45, 48, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 62, 64, 65, 66, 69, 72, 74, 78, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 87, 88, 89, 93, 95, 96, 97, 98, 98M, 99, 100, 101, 105, 107, 107M, 109, 111, 119, 123, 123M, 125, 131, 132, 133, 138, 143, 147, 151, 154, 156, 157, 158, 159, 161, 163, 163M, 165, 166, 168, 174, 174e, 175, 179, 179A, 181, 183, 185, 193, 195, 196, 196e, 198, 200, 222, 225G, 225W, 228, 229, 238, 240, 241, 242, 243G, 243W, 261, 268, 272, 273, 275, 282, 284, 285, 291, 292, 293, 315, 317, 325, 333, 334, 335, 354, 358, 372, 400, 401, 402, 403, 410G, 410W, 502, 502A, 506, 518, 518A, 560, 3N

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• SBS 6078 M

  16 Jun 12, 16:52

  Originally posted by TIB1218R:

  I passed by C&C..Only saw from outside. There are some citaro without rego
  I only saw 6273 and 6280. Whole place flooded with citaros
  
  I think by August complete already

  6273R and 6280U huh?Passed by today and about 10 citaros without rego.

• SBS 1000U

  17 Jun 12, 00:56

  SBS6143H on 82 today

• Lsk138

  17 Jun 12, 14:38

  SBS 6242E ON SV 7 (BB SP) now with full body ad ! 

• ahlunjia

  17 Jun 12, 20:43

  Originally posted by SMB228X:

  
  Must increased to 80km/h!! Otherwise very slow!!

  
  YES !! LET THE TRAFFIC POLICE COME AND CATCH U

• SBS2656X

  17 Jun 12, 21:20

  Actually adjusting the speed limit will not change the speed of BCs that drive slowly.
  They just don't change since you are changing the LIMIT not MINIMUM.
  Change BC then you will see the results. 
  Change SPD LIT then you will only see results in chiongsters.
  Change SPD MIM then you will be guranteed to see results. [ BCs cannot stop the bus ]