800 new buses & 40 new bus routes (8 to ply MRT) by 2016
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If can, hope SMRT can buy both Bendies and DDs.Win-win solution for services like 190
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For SBS SD acquisition, I fully support mass-buying Volvo chassis, preferably with Volgren, Gemilang or Soon Chow bodywork. I find CGDE bodywork too... obscure?
Also, I agree on the 'moar DD', but I don't like the Wrights. Wrights to me look awful. In terms of looks, the Volgren body for the VSO was the best, closely followed by the DM bodywork for the Trident 3s.
We should have full MRT duplication limited-stop/trunk lines. They don't have to be too intense, but they need to be there - e.g. every 15 min at its most frequent. The advantage here is that when the MRT breaks down, we just have to say, 'Pump more buses into routes x, y, z!' and then announce, 'Please proceed to the bus stops/interchange and take bus x, y or z,' rather than kalang kabut like in November.
As for BCs, they're hiring - I've seen a lot of DDs advertising recruitment. They should get more Malaysian Chinese.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
Wholly agree.
No more bendies. They are amongst the worst nuisance on the roads. Its not like our infrastructure has been really designed to accept such buses in the first place.
Agree with you, just look at how many of Singapore's bus bays at bus stops have actually been extended or even newly-built to accomodate 2 Bendys coming at one shot. The bus bays were designed primarily to accomodate 2 12m buses, not 2 Bendies together.
But in all fairness, SMRT didn't do anything wrong. Most of their Bendies were incorporated from TIBS who had ordered them? And the fact that they haven't brought in any Bendy demo since then..
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What I want for 800 buses by 2016
For SBS Transit
- 150 Dennis Enviro 200
- 150 Dennis Enviro 500
For SMRT
- 100 Mercedes-Benz O530 Citaro
- 50 Mercedes-Benz O530G Citaro
- 100 MAN NL323F A22 (Fitted with Voith Diwa 864.5)
- 50 MAN NG363F A24
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I prefer double decker 10% more than bendy because it is around 12m in length and around 3m in height and it's space saving than bendys. However, it can't travel under shelters at less than the DD's height.
For bendys, it is longer and it around 18m in length and it occupy 40% more space than rigids and DDs.
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Originally posted by SBS 9631X:
Agree with you, just look at how many of Singapore's bus bays at bus stops have actually been extended or even newly-built to accomodate 2 Bendys coming at one shot. The bus bays were designed primarily to accomodate 2 12m buses, not 2 Bendies together.
But in all fairness, SMRT didn't do anything wrong. Most of their Bendies were incorporated from TIBS who had ordered them? And the fact that they haven't brought in any Bendy demo since then..
Yeah. Most of SMRTB's woes lie with TIBS's acquisitions.
TIBS had a hodge-podge fleet with a huge bendy fleet. Quite a nightmare as far as mainteinance and day-to-day operations is concerned. There too, have been insider stories of how TIBS had been bleeding and the use of accounting tools to transfer losses, but of course that's not verified, but I wouldn't be surprised at that.
SMRT could on the other hand, have taken a decisive step in eliminating these little pockets of here-there-everywhere types. They didn't. And understandably too, given how replacing them would be extremely expensive and hit profit figures. It took many years before SMRT made the OC500 acquisition, during which time, the DAF, Hino, Dennis, Merc, Nissan, Scania (just look at how many types already!) languished.
So whose fault? I am inclined to blame the government although I would think that hindsight is always 6/6 and the government in fairness, has recognised the need to incentivise upcoming bus purchases, although it still remains perplexing that the $1.1b would be a "one-off" exercise.
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Originally posted by Myhabit:
I prefer double decker 10% more than bendy because it is around 12m in length and around 3m in height and it's space saving than bendys. However, it can't travel under shelters at less than the DD's height.
For bendys, it is longer and it around 18m in length and it occupy 40% more space than rigids and DDs.
The unloading of passengers off double deckers are slower than the bendies, in which bendies have 2 exit doors. Of course, both have their pros and cons and people will debate which is better and which. Given that Trans Island/SMRT Buses built their operations around bendy buses over the years, i'd see them probably sticking to bendies in the future. -
For fleet replacement, replace VO3x and LO with B9TL Volgren, and B10M MkIV with B7RLE Soon Chow/Gemilang.
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Originally posted by SBS 9631X:
Agree with you, just look at how many of Singapore's bus bays at bus stops have actually been extended or even newly-built to accomodate 2 Bendys coming at one shot. The bus bays were designed primarily to accomodate 2 12m buses, not 2 Bendies together.
But in all fairness, SMRT didn't do anything wrong. Most of their Bendies were incorporated from TIBS who had ordered them? And the fact that they haven't brought in any Bendy demo since then..
Most of the existing infrastructures and passenger demand probably didn't see the need to modify other bus bays.13 Mar 2013 is the end of 17 years of lifespan for TIB838H, and given that they're refurbishing the bendies for MK 1/2 it's probably going to be extended for another 1-2 years, hence a bendy demo not coming in yet won't be suprising.
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Originally posted by SBS 9631X:
Agree with you, just look at how many of Singapore's bus bays at bus stops have actually been extended or even newly-built to accomodate 2 Bendys coming at one shot. The bus bays were designed primarily to accomodate 2 12m buses, not 2 Bendies together.
But in all fairness, SMRT didn't do anything wrong. Most of their Bendies were incorporated from TIBS who had ordered them? And the fact that they haven't brought in any Bendy demo since then..
Thus it makes more economical and operative sense for SMRTB to buy double deckers instead of more of those bendy buses. The new interchanges are getting smaller but bus companies are going to expand their fleet, makes no sense for getting bendy buses to add more woes in parking spaces in interchanges and bus depots. Moreover there aren't many routes with height restriction nowadays. Even so, bus operators will prefer to deploy more single deckers to improve the freqencies instead. The only advantage is faster alighting with the additional door, but with the poor maintanance of SMRTB, many EZlink card readers don't work at the 3 door and people love to cramp around the front trailer area which instead defeats the purpose yet waste more road space. Lastly, newest QC standards demands better frequncies for all feeder services. Thus it means more buses for the feeder service. It has already make no sense to use bendy buses in future. Thus I hope SMRTB will wise up this time to switch to using double deckers from now on, to optimise their economical and operative sense in operating their bus business. Or else just like someone mentioned earlier on, if they continue to neglect their bus business, then might as well give it up. -
A MAN A24 is undergoing bodying at ST Kinetics today. Suspected to be for SMRT as part of the 800 buses.
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I don't mind if SMRT gets atleast 100 bendies to replace the box bendies, to boost their fleets.
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I believe that the year 2014/15 will be when there is mass replacing of old buses for both bus companies. This is when the SBST's VO3x (Batch 1) and Volvo MK4 (Euro 1 DM/Strider), as well as SMRT's 0405/Scania/DAFs will reach their lifespan of 19 years and they are bound for retirement then.
Wonder which single deck buses will be brought in after the Citaros and MAN A22s...
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Originally posted by watson374:
For fleet replacement, replace VO3x and LO with B9TL Volgren, and B10M MkIV with B7RLE Soon Chow/Gemilang.
VO3X and LO replace by Scania K310UD or Volvo B5L. Volvo B7RLE I want MCV Evolution like what KMB have.
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2601: Even SMRT's fleet mgmt also ends up wrong bus on wrong svs.
CRLs on heavy loaded 187, 963, 966..
The CRLs ought to be on 77, 173 those lower demand svs.
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Originally posted by Gus.chong:
VO3X and LO replace by Scania K310UD or Volvo B5L. Volvo B7RLE I want MCV Evolution like what KMB have.
OK not too bad la ._. I still prefer Soon Chow and Volgren tho
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i want citaros with sliding doors =D if citaros got dd hor it's ftw.
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I don't think Citaros are DD-able - that last Merc chassis that was DD-able was the O305, and we all know how long ago that was.
Unless you add an axle.
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I will feedback to SMRT sooner, to stop buying bendies as the MAN anyhow procure artic order, should have bought 200 Wrightbus. The feedback is - "As such during the Budget 2012 statement, SMRT Corporation thought they are buying 100 MAN NG363F (A24) as it undergoes bodywork installation by ST Kinetics in order to replace the box Hispano bendies. They should have bought 100 Wright Eclipse Gemini 2 (Volvo B9TL) 3-axle, 100 Scania OmniCity double deck and 200 Alexander Dennis Enviro500 (with new styling for 2012 and beyond). They cannot be able to have and buy bendies anymore due to safety criticisms and all that, bus interchanges will turn smaller, removal of bendy bus lots and take up more space. Put DD on 61, 67, 77, 106, 169, 172, 176, 180, 184, 187, 188, 189, 190, 300, 307, 800, 804, 806, 811, 812, 851, 852, 853, 856, 859, 902, 920, 922, 960, 963 and 966. Lifespans for all rigids should be able to extend to 19 years, those bendies should go off early by at least 2015 to prevent fires and all that road layout problems. And anyway, for the future bus orders - 800, please buy 50 more Citaros to add in for 2012, 150 more MAN NL323F (Gemiliang) to add in for 2013 and please buy new range of order: Alexander Dennis Enviro300 for replacing Dennis Lance 245 (all) and DAF SB220 (all). Hino HS3KRK and Mercedes-Benz O405 Volgren should be replaced by MAN Lion City and some Mercedes-Benz O405 CAC, Scania L113CRL should be replaced by Scania OmniCity Single Deck and Volvo B7RLE/MCV Evolution. Fleet management is lousy and screwed. It also end up wrong bus like CRL on heavy loaded 963, it should not have cameoed on 963 and must use MAN NL323F. CRL must go to 77 and 189 as it is low demand services. And there is a new depot, what are the general use of Geylang Bus Park? To park 106, 961 and all that? Is it refuelling point for service 61 but not 969?"
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Originally posted by C151 039/040:
I will feedback to SMRT sooner, to stop buying bendies as the MAN anyhow procure artic order, should have bought 200 Wrightbus.
I believe SMRT will not reply to you like what SMB128B had done before.
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Some wishful thinkin of bus fans to replace existing buses with newer types on the market forgetting the cost of purchase.
Totally ignorant of fees/spare parts/maintenance costs
With all the complaints of MB Citaro's capacity, there are still dreamer bus fans wishing for the impossible
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Originally posted by nfshp253:
Logically speaking, I think we’ll see lots of MANs since ST Kinectics is the sole distributor of MAN trucks and buses and since the government is responsible for purchasing 550 of them. Does anyone know how many new buses we can expect to see including the fleet expansions and fleet replacements for the ageing MK4s and VO3X?
If all the 550 new buses from govt are going to be from MAN, then I hope this happens.
SBST
- 200 MAN LionCity or A22 with MCV Evolution body
- 150 MAN double deckers
SMRT
- 100 MAN A22 with current Gemilang body
- 100 MAN double deckers
The rest of the 250 buses
SBST
- 150 Mercedes Benz Citaro 3
SMRT
- 100 Scania K270UB with Gemilang body
- 50 MAN double deckers
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Originally posted by SBS 1000U:
If all the 550 new buses from govt are going to be from MAN, then I hope this happens.SBST
- 200 MAN LionCity or A22 with MCV Evolution body
- 150 MAN double deckers
SMRT
- 100 MAN A22 with current Gemilang body
- 100 MAN double deckers
The rest of the 250 buses
SBST
- 150 Mercedes Benz Citaro 3
SMRT
- 100 Scania K270UB with Gemilang body
- 50 MAN double deckers
I'm the mega SMRT loy...... all feedbacks are well done to SMRT. What's next? Fool around with SBST with no SOP for feedbacking? The feedback is due to poor design of buses. Wish that we should resolve the problems faster...... -
SMRT should have - 100x Enviro500 (New design) 200x Wright Eclipse Gemini 2 3-axle 100x Scania OmniCity DD SBST should have ordered as special bulk orders - 35x Enviro200Dart 100x Enviro400 20x Enviro400H 200x Wright Eclipse Gemini 2 2-axle As it is 800 buses totally (755 / 800 had been well done).
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Originally posted by C151 039/040:
SMRT should have -
100x Enviro500 (New design)
200x Wright Eclipse Gemini 2 3-axle
100x Scania OmniCity DDSBST should have ordered as special bulk orders -
35x Enviro200Dart
100x Enviro400
20x Enviro400H
200x Wright Eclipse Gemini 2 2-axleAs it is 800 buses totally (755 / 800 had been well done).
No need Darts already. Midi buses are not useful in Singapore now.
SBST needs more buses and new buses.
Maybe your list should be:
SBST
200 Enviro 500
100 Enviro 400H / Volvo B5L
150 Mercedes Benz Citaro 3
100 Enviro 500 bodied Volvo B9TL
SMRT
100 Enviro 500
100 Scania OminiCity
50 MAN A22