Double Deckers for SMRT
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Originally posted by BusAnalayzer:
We might see a SMRT DD on roads soon. With the tender in offering, I am sure MAN or Scania will offer to send a DD on trial for SMRT services. It is only time that it will happen.
They are already looking into double deckers in their tender, so will hope they do so if they really want to improve. We all hope that SMRTB is smart enough to reject the MAN A24 demo.
Originally posted by SMB66X:BYD K10 for KMB(As heard)~~ I guess SMRT sure chop order on this once the charging infrastructure is ready
Source : http://club.bydauto.com.cn/read-htm-tid-712370.htmlWould be interesting if SMRTB orders this.
Since they like to be different, this electric double decker will be a right choice.
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Originally posted by vicamour:
They are already looking into double deckers in their tender, so will hope they do so if they really want to improve. We all hope that SMRTB is smart enough to reject the MAN A24 demo.
Would be interesting if SMRTB orders this.
Since they like to be different, this electric double decker will be a right choice.
Do you think they will reject?
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Originally posted by dan474:
Do you think they will reject?
Nah~ Perhaps they would consider it after Thomson line is finish(Base on my thoughts~~)
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tender docu indicate ADD for?? for show??
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unless WLDEP gets a makeover and KJDEP is expanded
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their current depot infrastructure doesnt allow lots of DDs to come in. the land lease of KJ/AM depots are ending soon as from what i heard from a few users here. WLDEP is over its limits.
from photos, even the maintanence area ceiling at WLDEP doesnt look high enough for DDs.
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many SBST depot lease are also ending... so how???
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Originally posted by sbst275:
many SBST depot lease are also ending… so how???
its economically unfeasible to upgrade their depot infrastructure for now. maybe the havent decide to extend or to move to a bigger depot.
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some of your dun get it... like it or not, at the end of the day bus co need depots for maintenance, bus washing, admin work etc... If everyone works in the way like your, think forget it abt running bus co...
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Wl bus park can accommodate at least 280 buses including DDs 4.5m.Kjdep can easily park DDs.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Wl bus park can accommodate at least 280 buses including DDs 4.5m.Kjdep can easily park DDs.
the maintanence area leh? i looked at photos and it doesnt seem high enough...
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Back then, many of us were quite sure DDs can't be operated into WRI. But ...
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Roof with zinc is not a problem but not those brick ones.you believe or not Wldep entrance B9TL can go in?
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Originally posted by sbst275:
tender docu indicate ADD for??
for show??
Tender doc also indicates bendy. So it looks like SMRT is going to get all types of buses in its kitty.
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Wl bus park can accommodate at least 280 buses including DDs 4.5m.Kjdep can easily park DDs.
Only AMDEP cannot park DDs, and I think Yishun interchange cannot take DDs. WDL depot can take DDs - height 4.5 clearance??? Am I wrong here?
All other interchanges / terminals are better suited for DDs considering space issue
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Amdep small problem,Yishun next year demolish
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Actually if SMRT dun wan bendies why they still list it in the tender, for show???
Anyways, I can think of pros and cons of SMRT having DDs only.
Pros
1. Less jams at the bus stop, bus int and road(esp. one lane roads like Tiong Bahru Rd) Less parking woes at the bus int and depots.
2. More seats.
Cons
1. The runtime of SMRT services will be longer. From Thomson Rd-Tiong Bahru, it will take 20mins for 851. But with DDs, 40mins... Service 300/302's runtime will also be longer.
2. Some services with road issues cannot have DDs either, like service 800, which has a tight turn at Yishun St 71(same as C'wealth Dr issue).
I would still prefer bendies for Feeders/Intratowns and Short Distance routes like 856/859/962/964 etc. and DDs for CBD services and Long Distance Routes.
CCK has no problems with bendies. Absolutely no problem.
BBT no problems but parking woes. Current situation is still fine.
BPJ has bus stop, road and parking woes. Have to reduce the number.
SBW has no problems with bendies. Absolutely no problem.
YIS has bus stop, road, bus int and parking woes. Have to reduce the number.
WDL has bus int and parking woes. Have to reduce the number.
But bear in mind, once you use DDs, the runtime for 300/302/800/804/806/811/812/856/859/900/901/903/911/912/913/962/964 will be longer. DDs have speed issues as well as boarding and alighting issues and the top deck issues.
Keep in mind that service 969's runtime will be severly lengthened by x2!
Boarding and alighting
If the commuters vacate the bus earlier with the help of an extra door, wouldn't the commuters be able to board faster too? Since when the commuters alighted, there will be more space to move in to the rear. But boarding only at interchanges is a problem.
Bendy to unload- 2 mins.
DD to unload- 6 mins.
3 Doors DD to unload- 4 mins due to the NARROW stairs.
This is especially very useful on the high demand services 800/804/806/811/812/912/913.
3 Doors DD
Yes, 3 Doors DD is useful, but have you ever forgotten about the stairs? Narrow and steep, commuters at the upper deck still have to climb down, which is slow and troublesome.
Top Deck Issues
Yes, more people have moved up to the top deck recently, like 291/334/Bedok/Boon Lay Feeders(except 241A). But there are still people who refuse to go up, which is the reason why SBST refused to deploy DDs on service 238.(And due to tight turn issues).
Note: There ARE still some SBST services in which people don't move up. (I think SMB128B has mentioned about service 87/238 before. But I may have seen wrongly.)
And people not moving to the rear of a bendy is NOT true, look at WDL/YIS feeders and intratowns. 856 yes but nobody wanted to stand at the narrow rear aisle. Even on O405s, be it SD/DD(Lower Deck)/Bendy, nobody would want to stand at the narrow rear aisle. This excludes the top deck of DDs, due to the no standing rule. BTW there's no "that kind of aisle" at the top deck...
Just my 2 cents worth, dun blast me for this.
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Eh sure or not Thomson-Tiong Bahru 20 minutes bendy 40 minutes DD???DD are not electric trolley u know?
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U sure CCK no problem with bendy???
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Eh sure or not Thomson-Tiong Bahru 20 minutes bendy 40 minutes DD???DD are not electric trolley u know?
Well maybe 30 minutes.
I have ever heard some forum mates claiming that Thomson-TBR for 851 is 20 mins.
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Originally posted by TIB868X:
U sure CCK no problem with bendy???
If you say so, but I think it's not that serious compared to WDL/YIS/BPJ.
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From Thomson Road-TB takes me alr 40-50....Added time with the Tekka area jam
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Originally posted by TIB 501 D:
Actually if SMRT dun wan bendies why they still list it in the tender, for show???
Anyways, I can think of pros and cons of SMRT having DDs only.
Pros
1. Less jams at the bus stop, bus int and road(esp. one lane roads like Tiong Bahru Rd) Less parking woes at the bus int and depots.
2. More seats.
Cons
1. The runtime of SMRT services will be longer. From Thomson Rd-Tiong Bahru, it will take 20mins for 851. But with DDs, 40mins... Service 300/302's runtime will also be longer.
2. Some services with road issues cannot have DDs either, like service 800, which has a tight turn at Yishun St 71(same as C'wealth Dr issue).
I would still prefer bendies for Feeders/Intratowns and Short Distance routes like 856/859/962/964 etc. and DDs for CBD services and Long Distance Routes.
CCK has no problems with bendies. Absolutely no problem.
BBT no problems but parking woes. Current situation is still fine.
BPJ has bus stop, road and parking woes. Have to reduce the number.
SBW has no problems with bendies. Absolutely no problem.
YIS has bus stop, road, bus int and parking woes. Have to reduce the number.
WDL has bus int and parking woes. Have to reduce the number.
But bear in mind, once you use DDs, the runtime for 300/302/800/804/806/811/812/856/859/900/901/903/911/912/913/962/964 will be longer. DDs have speed issues as well as boarding and alighting issues and the top deck issues.
Keep in mind that service 969's runtime will be severly lengthened by x2!
Boarding and alighting
If the commuters vacate the bus earlier with the help of an extra door, wouldn't the commuters be able to board faster too? Since when the commuters alighted, there will be more space to move in to the rear. But boarding only at interchanges is a problem.
Bendy to unload- 2 mins.
DD to unload- 6 mins.
3 Doors DD to unload- 4 mins due to the NARROW stairs.
This is especially very useful on the high demand services 800/804/806/811/812/912/913.
3 Doors DD
Yes, 3 Doors DD is useful, but have you ever forgotten about the stairs? Narrow and steep, commuters at the upper deck still have to climb down, which is slow and troublesome.
Top Deck Issues
Yes, more people have moved up to the top deck recently, like 291/334/Bedok/Boon Lay Feeders(except 241A). But there are still people who refuse to go up, which is the reason why SBST refused to deploy DDs on service 238.(And due to tight turn issues).
Note: There ARE still some SBST services in which people don't move up. (I think SMB128B has mentioned about service 87/238 before. But I may have seen wrongly.)
And people not moving to the rear of a bendy is NOT true, look at WDL/YIS feeders and intratowns. 856 yes but nobody wanted to stand at the narrow rear aisle. Even on O405s, be it SD/DD(Lower Deck)/Bendy, nobody would want to stand at the narrow rear aisle. This excludes the top deck of DDs, due to the no standing rule. BTW there's no "that kind of aisle" at the top deck...
Just my 2 cents worth, dun blast me for this.
BBT will have no problem if the small land in front of the interchange can be used...
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Originally posted by TIB868X:
U sure CCK no problem with bendy???
CCK no problem with bendy. If it has, then I agree with TIB 501 D
