Double Deckers for SMRT
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1000 posts for "DDs wanted for SMRT". Public demand
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Originally posted by TIB1218R:
*standby popcorns*
No need popcorns,Either Twisties or Cheezedale is enough..
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Originally posted by sbst275:
if there's a traffic jam right at the flyover upslope suddenly how? langa? Citaro powerful but too powerful until cannot brake in time? The MRT dwell time... think you've not even seen the 1 sec dwell time...Lucky me i got class 2B,2A,3,4 and vocational license if not i also crap a lot here...NEXT!
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SBST has loaned its drivers to SMRT>
I wish SBST loans some of its spare Wrights to SMRT to try out on its route. The drivers from SBST can drive these Wrights.
Wow, it would be so cool to see a Wright cameo on 106 or 190.
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Originally posted by TIB 501 D:
Actually if SMRT dun wan bendies why they still list it in the tender, for show???
Anyways, I can think of pros and cons of SMRT having DDs only.
Pros
1. Less jams at the bus stop, bus int and road(esp. one lane roads like Tiong Bahru Rd) Less parking woes at the bus int and depots.
2. More seats.
Cons
1. The runtime of SMRT services will be longer. From Thomson Rd-Tiong Bahru, it will take 20mins for 851. But with DDs, 40mins... Service 300/302's runtime will also be longer.
2. Some services with road issues cannot have DDs either, like service 800, which has a tight turn at Yishun St 71(same as C'wealth Dr issue).
I would still prefer bendies for Feeders/Intratowns and Short Distance routes like 856/859/962/964 etc. and DDs for CBD services and Long Distance Routes.
CCK has no problems with bendies. Absolutely no problem.
BBT no problems but parking woes. Current situation is still fine.
BPJ has bus stop, road and parking woes. Have to reduce the number.
SBW has no problems with bendies. Absolutely no problem.
YIS has bus stop, road, bus int and parking woes. Have to reduce the number.
WDL has bus int and parking woes. Have to reduce the number.
But bear in mind, once you use DDs, the runtime for 300/302/800/804/806/811/812/856/859/900/901/903/911/912/913/962/964 will be longer. DDs have speed issues as well as boarding and alighting issues and the top deck issues.
Keep in mind that service 969's runtime will be severly lengthened by x2!
Boarding and alighting
If the commuters vacate the bus earlier with the help of an extra door, wouldn't the commuters be able to board faster too? Since when the commuters alighted, there will be more space to move in to the rear. But boarding only at interchanges is a problem.
Bendy to unload- 2 mins.
DD to unload- 6 mins.
3 Doors DD to unload- 4 mins due to the NARROW stairs.
This is especially very useful on the high demand services 800/804/806/811/812/912/913.
3 Doors DD
Yes, 3 Doors DD is useful, but have you ever forgotten about the stairs? Narrow and steep, commuters at the upper deck still have to climb down, which is slow and troublesome.
Top Deck Issues
Yes, more people have moved up to the top deck recently, like 291/334/Bedok/Boon Lay Feeders(except 241A). But there are still people who refuse to go up, which is the reason why SBST refused to deploy DDs on service 238.(And due to tight turn issues).
Note: There ARE still some SBST services in which people don't move up. (I think SMB128B has mentioned about service 87/238 before. But I may have seen wrongly.)
And people not moving to the rear of a bendy is NOT true, look at WDL/YIS feeders and intratowns. 856 yes but nobody wanted to stand at the narrow rear aisle. Even on O405s, be it SD/DD(Lower Deck)/Bendy, nobody would want to stand at the narrow rear aisle. This excludes the top deck of DDs, due to the no standing rule. BTW there's no "that kind of aisle" at the top deck...
Just my 2 cents worth, dun blast me for this.
Baseless assumptions.
Runtime won't be longer even if SMRTB uses double deckers. And SMRTB bus services needs a bit more runtime for many bus services as most BCs have to rush to complete the journey. This adds up to the stress they are facing driving the bus services everyday. No wonder the PRC BCs went on strike and may are unhappy with the working hours and conditions.
Boarding and unloading time is more of less the same for both double deckers and bendy buses. But bendy buses take up much more space in the bus stop and delaying other buses behind. Double deckers on the other hand gives the flexibility for other buses behind to stop and allow boarding and alighting and do not delay buses behind. I don't see double deckers along bus stops delaying other buses but the long queues caused by bendy buses always delays other buses.
Upper deck seating issues is improving, in fact many people are moving up because they want to find a seat and break away from the crowd in the lower deck. Bendy buses are also problematic when people do not want to move into the rear of the bus. Feeder services will be better to improved with more frequencies using single deckers, unless LTA wants to cut down the number of feeder services. Long frequencies using bendy buses is not efficient for places with many services.
Originally posted by dan474:Do you think they will reject?
If they want to reject, why not?Bendy buses are not relevant to their operational needs anymore. They created more problems to SMRTB instead.
Originally posted by carbikebus:Singapore road heavy vehicles speed sure invite disaster either from other road users,Enforcement team and the passengers itself.Above 70 bendy already like snake and roller coaster if hit bump...Not much different.Which you prefer a bit slower but comfortable or roller coaster ride if a bit faster?
If you have noticed, many of these SMRTB buses are already exceeding the speed limits for commercial vehicles. Wonder what are all the TPs doing. -
Originally posted by vicamour:
Feeder services will be better to improved with more frequencies using single deckers, unless LTA wants to cut down the number of feeder services. Long frequencies using bendy buses is not efficient for places with many services.
Are you crazy? Look at 300 case (or any feeder services that have the same issue as 300), they need to have at least 15-20 (or more) single deck buses to solve the problem which also use alot of parking space. If bendy buses on 300 are pack like hell, you think single deck buses can solve the problem?
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Originally posted by SMB195G:
Are you crazy? Look at 300 case (or any feeder services that have the same issue as 300), they need to have at least 15-20 (or more) single deck buses to solve the problem which uses alot of parking space. If bendy buses on 300 are pack like hell, you think single deck buses can solve the problem?
neither does double deckers solve the problem
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Jeng2 here come we go,Twisties pls
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Jeng2 here come we go,Twisties pls
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Random~~ Let's wait for GE 2016, see if Lui Tuck Yew position stays
If LTA wants improvement, should have done it on the spot. But anyway, I am fine with whatever bus it is, as long it bring me to my destination fast. And probably a cleaner room for the 2nd deck, since a lot people is eating sneakly on the 2nd deck
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Originally posted by vicamour:
Baseless assumptions.
Runtime won't be longer even if SMRTB uses double deckers. And SMRTB bus services needs a bit more runtime for many bus services as most BCs have to rush to complete the journey. This adds up to the stress they are facing driving the bus services everyday. No wonder the PRC BCs went on strike and may are unhappy with the working hours and conditions.
Boarding and unloading time is more of less the same for both double deckers and bendy buses. But bendy buses take up much more space in the bus stop and delaying other buses behind. Double deckers on the other hand gives the flexibility for other buses behind to stop and allow boarding and alighting and do not delay buses behind. I don't see double deckers along bus stops delaying other buses but the long queues caused by bendy buses always delays other buses.
Upper deck seating issues is improving, in fact many people are moving up because they want to find a seat and break away from the crowd in the lower deck. Bendy buses are also problematic when people do not want to move into the rear of the bus. Feeder services will be better to improved with more frequencies using single deckers, unless LTA wants to cut down the number of feeder services. Long frequencies using bendy buses is not efficient for places with many services.
If they want to reject, why not?Bendy buses are not relevant to their operational needs anymore. They created more problems to SMRTB instead.
If you have noticed, many of these SMRTB buses are already exceeding the speed limits for commercial vehicles. Wonder what are all the TPs doing.it is people not wanting to go to the upper deck for DD and not people not wanting to go to the rear for bendy that happens more
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Originally posted by vicamour:
Boarding and unloading time is more of less the same for both double deckers and bendy buses. But bendy buses take up much more space in the bus stop and delaying other buses behind. Double deckers on the other hand gives the flexibility for other buses behind to stop and allow boarding and alighting and do not delay buses behind. I don't see double deckers along bus stops delaying other buses but the long queues caused by bendy buses always delays other buses.
you sure boarding and alighting is faster for DD than bendy? try to compare 183 (morning, school day) and 184 (evening, poly/school day) at clementi stn bus stop and see for yourself
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Originally posted by SBS6301T:
it is people not wanting to go to the upper deck for DD and not people not wanting to go to the rear for bendy that happens more
Just ignore that jackass who knows nothing about urbanization and civilization. A waste of time anyway.
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Originally posted by dan474:
you sure boarding and alighting is faster for DD than bendy? try to compare 183 (morning, school day) and 184 (evening, poly/school day) at clementi stn bus stop and see for yourself
I definitely will shift to BP straight away if 184 can 'survive' with 13 rigids with no x-overs
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Originally posted by TIB783G:
I definitely will shift to BP straight away if 184 can 'survive' with 13 rigids with no x-overs
hello 184 cant even cope with majority bendy fleet with 5 min frequency during peak hours
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Originally posted by dan474:
hello 184 cant even cope with majority bendy fleet with 5 min frequency during peak hours
Sorry, Just testing, My apologies
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Originally posted by TIB783G:
Sorry, Just testing, My apologies
i'm being friendly, dont worry
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Originally posted by dan474:
i'm being friendly, dont worry
Ok I see.
But clearly he just doesn't. He doesn't. Sad
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I think we just ignore those illiterate imbeciles can oredi...
They always like to screw the boarding/alighting fact and the runtime fact
!And they like to screw the upper deck and rear fact
!It's clearly him that's making an assumption and not us
!Even my stand not enough to convince that imbecile ah, wah so pro sia
!He can continue ASSUMING, until one fine day if SMRT buy DD+bendy or bendy only see what'll happen... Whine for another 17 years??? Wah get a life instead of complaning seriously, we already fortunate to have A/C buses
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I tell u it's either dd or bendy not both my friend.
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He will tell you he eats cai png with 7 sides.
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time will tell... anyway... I think your should be concerned that LTA is insisting on building 12m bus shelter for S176's alighting bus stop... If your are really insisting by hard force that LTA is welcoming bendy bus, wake up... if not, go and make an open complain... no one need to waste time on ppl who can see things openly w/ a diff mind... anyway... get scolded by people who dun take public tpt these days abt bendy bus still dun want to believe.. and still insist we know how to read the report.. real stubborn people...
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
I tell u it's either dd or bendy not both my friend.
We'll see then
! I'm just trying to correct the mistakes of an imbecile here!U need more twisties? I buy for u
! No need pay me back, and enjoy the show lololololol
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and some of your are beginning to write bashing statements w/o your facts supporting of the bendies... clearly either your've resigned to the fact bendies are lousy cos you've nothing to support it or just want to make noises to ensure legacy of Tibs still lives.. for what? can justify?
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Originally posted by sbst275:
and some of your are beginning to write bashing statements w/o your facts supporting of the bendies…
clearly either your’ve resigned to the fact bendies are lousy cos you’ve nothing to support it or just want to make noises to ensure legacy of Tibs still lives..
for what? can justify?
Not that we don't want justify, but we recognised the importance of bendies. Even if we were to justify, will you be convinced? I doubt so. So what's the point of wasting our breath when you continued your stubbornness that bendies are still useless. And seriously, don't talk as if we al despise DDs. Many of us bendies support DDs as well, with exception that we support bendies as well.