Double Deckers for SMRT
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Originally posted by sbst275:
dun come and tell me Citaro G..
Boon Lay Int can park lots of bendy bus?
or 228X rich enough pay govt to bendy friendly int/ depots for everyone?
Can use BSEP!!! No problem!!! -
Originally posted by SMB228X:
Can use BSEP!!! No problem!!!buy for SMRT yourself la!!!! maybe later they let you become the driver of it!!!!
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Originally posted by SMB228X:
DD will jam because alight take forever from upstairs n people short journey refuse go up!!! So SMRT must make smart decision buy Euro VI Citaro Gs!!!
PEOPLE TOO TIRED TO WALK THROUGH THE WHOLE CITARO G TO GO TO THE BACK. PEOPLE GOING HOME FROM WORK VERY TIRED!!!! GOT NO ENERGY TO WALK!!!! PLUS CITARO G CREATE ALOT OF JAM AND WHEN TURN MAYBE HIT PEOPLE AT TRAFFIC!!!!CANNOT BUY CITARO G!!!!!VERY DANGEROUS KUB NO KILL PEOPLE ONLY INJURE BUT CITARO G KILL PEOPLE AND CREATE JAMS AND ACCIDENT AND 3 CITARO G BURNT IN 1 WEEK DANGEROUS!
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Originally posted by SBS 6078 M:
PEOPLE TOO TIRED TO WALK THROUGH THE WHOLE CITARO G TO GO TO THE BACK. PEOPLE GOING HOME FROM WORK VERY TIRED!!!! GOT NO ENERGY TO WALK!!!! PLUS CITARO G CREATE ALOT OF JAM AND WHEN TURN MAYBE HIT PEOPLE AT TRAFFIC!!!!CANNOT BUY CITARO G!!!!!VERY DANGEROUS KUB NO KILL PEOPLE ONLY INJURE BUT CITARO G KILL PEOPLE AND CREATE JAMS AND ACCIDENT AND 3 CITARO G BURNT IN 1 WEEK DANGEROUS!
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Originally posted by SMB228X:
DD will jam because alight take forever from upstairs n people short journey refuse go up!!! So SMRT must make smart decision buy Euro VI Citaro Gs!!!
Problem is depot space,Our land and worst of all you cant stop ppl from buying cars.
Aussie is different,Their car drivers sometimes will park their car and take buses to work.Im not againts bendy but future infrastructure indirectly picture that BI are all too crowded to have bendy buses parking.SMRT also in dilemma to buy or not.I acknowledge that short haul is good for bendy but again our land is too small compared Hong Kong which is nearly double the size of our land.
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Originally posted by SBS 6078 M:
PEOPLE TOO TIRED TO WALK THROUGH THE WHOLE CITARO G TO GO TO THE BACK. PEOPLE GOING HOME FROM WORK VERY TIRED!!!! GOT NO ENERGY TO WALK!!!! PLUS CITARO G CREATE ALOT OF JAM AND WHEN TURN MAYBE HIT PEOPLE AT TRAFFIC!!!!CANNOT BUY CITARO G!!!!!VERY DANGEROUS KUB NO KILL PEOPLE ONLY INJURE BUT CITARO G KILL PEOPLE AND CREATE JAMS AND ACCIDENT AND 3 CITARO G BURNT IN 1 WEEK DANGEROUS!
Off cap~~ Any bus is dangerous
Don't take bus, you're life is still in danger~ Ever watch 1000 ways to die? Anything bad can happen bro
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Originally posted by SMB66X:
Off cap~~ Any bus is dangerous
Don't take bus, you're life is still in danger~ Ever watch 1000 ways to die? Anything bad can happen bro
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Originally posted by sbst275:
it's how you manage a jam... obviously you dun even bother abt why need planners, why need people to manage things, why need ppl to be there to intervene the market when needed... if life is so simple... we just the jam magnify bigger...
Jams are unavoidable. He is right but jams can be reduced if proper measures are made and problematic issues are resolved. LTA will never allow traffic jams and long queues by buses, which is common in the 70s and 80s.Originally posted by sbst275:you call people names..
you went to say something w/o reading that also made a little of disrespect to the COI ppl…
worst thing, just use name calling, hurling to win the game w/o explaination… this kind of behaviour is the worst…
So who’s really the stubborn and defiant one?
Originally posted by carbikebus:Chill la no need to call names or label ppl as animals sia.We can always discuss in a professional way mah
Guys, just focus on the discussion. Arguing with these kind of people only makes you look stupid.Originally posted by SBS2601D:As a scholar himself, the 3 star will know darn well that bendies will never be an optimal solution.
And I can recall he is a no-nonsense guy who's willing to bring about sweeping changes when need be.
Hopefully he will turn SMRT around.
Still accessing his contributions to SMRT Corp as of now.It's either he turn SMRTB around or give SMRTB up to SBST. He has already acknowledged that SMRTB has management issues, so hope that he will do something to revamp the current management which cause the mess SMRTB is in now.
Like you have said, let's hope he will look into the problems bendy buses have cost SMRTB problems for so many years and make a decisive move to stop using them for good.
Originally posted by d143b2:bendies, rigids or DDs are not the main problem
the cars are ...
Not true.Look at the bus lanes designated for public buses only. How about bus terminus/interchange, bus depots? These places are clearly out of bound for private cars.
SBS's intentions to build the guided bus system was actually a good move.
Originally posted by TIB 501 D:DTL=SBST
DTL=/=SMRT
IF DTL breakdown then how rigids cope with the load?
So easy to cut down trees?
Got so many places with tree branch restrictions somemore...
If LTA is serious about improving public transport and also transportation as a whole for logistics transportation, they need to do something about the trees in the long term. Height restrictions is easier to solve than space restrictions in Singapore.Originally posted by dan474:trust me DTL will cockup within a year
CCL already screw up in less than a year.SMRT can't even operate a new rail line properly, why waste their resources on operating buses? Just give up their buses and operate their rail lines properly.
Originally posted by SMB195G:Its simply because that point of time, there were not many people in Singapore. Now, Singapore has 5 million people and thats why there are long queues.
Where have you been, man? You don't know about this? SBS era is long time ago, yo!
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bus lanes:
not all roads have bus lanes; not all those roads have full day bus lanes
the idea is to let buses to have a dedicated path in the city area and major roads
bus interchange/terminals/depots
does not contribute to congestion
if depots can be multi levels, why not bus interchanges and terminals?
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low lying branches and height restrictions
i mean someone could trim them, but is it worthwhile?
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Originally posted by d143b2:
low lying branches and height restrictions
i mean someone could trim them, but is it worthwhile?
If LTA is serious about improving public transport, it's worthwhile. If not, that means they are only talking without actions. Low tree branches are also a road hazard for big commercial trucks as well.LTA cut down countless of trees in the past for MRT lines before.
Originally posted by d143b2:bus lanes:
not all roads have bus lanes; not all those roads have full day bus lanes
the idea is to let buses to have a dedicated path in the city area and major roads
bus interchange/terminals/depots
does not contribute to congestion
if depots can be multi levels, why not bus interchanges and terminals?
SBS's intentions to build the guided bus system wasn't materialised by LTA back then. This lead to the problems we have now.
Bus interchange/terminals/depots will still be jammed and bottled neck if there are too many buses inside, and when bus queues are too long. SMRT Woodlands depot is a very good example.
Bus interchanges and terminals are meant to be one stop places that allows seamless transfers. If there are too many levels, it makes transferring more time consuming.
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Originally posted by vicamour:
You already said our population has been increasing for the past years. Still want to use bendy buses?
Bullshit. I am not hating DDs but bendies are useful. They help tons more than the new rigid buses. (Exception for wheelchair accessibility).
This is Singapore. Gahmen decide what they want. This topic only starts Flamewars and is useless.
SMRT Buses can have both bendies and DDs. How did SBS Transit do it? Why SMRT Buses can't?
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Originally posted by OMSI123:
Bullshit. I am not hating DDs but bendies are useful. They help tons more than the new rigid buses. (Exception for wheelchair accessibility).
This is Singapore. Gahmen decide what they want. This topic only starts Flamewars and is useless.
SMRT Buses can have both bendies and DDs. How did SBS Transit do it? Why SMRT Buses can't?
I don't think it is feasible to have both, either bendies or D-deckers. I would get the latter.
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for bus interchanges/terminals
you can have trunk services on the ground level
feeders and intratown services on the 2nd floor
3rd floor for express services
each having a place for bus park
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imo
it is better to trim low lying branches then to cut down trees
i would like the trees to stay
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Originally posted by OMSI123:
Bullshit. I am not hating DDs but bendies are useful. They help tons more than the new rigid buses. (Exception for wheelchair accessibility).
This is Singapore. Gahmen decide what they want. This topic only starts Flamewars and is useless.
SMRT Buses can have both bendies and DDs. How did SBS Transit do it? Why SMRT Buses can't?
SBST had their bendies taken off
if SMRT decides to have WAB bendies, so be it
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standardisation... either get DDs or bendies as high capacity buses. unless you want much more suboptimal maintenance from SMRT's already poor maintenance. not surprisingly, while people complain about SMRT bendy buses hogging up more space, SBST seems to have little issues with double deckers
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If you want even broader standardisation, then obviously bendies have no place at all here.
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Originally posted by d143b2:
for bus interchanges/terminals
you can have trunk services on the ground level
feeders and intratown services on the 2nd floor
3rd floor for express services
each having a place for bus park
Not feasible. Like what I have said, one stop seamless transfer. Besides, building such structures aren't cheap and needs to be planned very carefully, and looking into aspects of how to develop it in a way to earn the costs back in the shortest possible time. Such things aren't as easy as snapping your fingers.Originally posted by OMSI123:Bullshit. I am not hating DDs but bendies are useful. They help tons more than the new rigid buses. (Exception for wheelchair accessibility).
This is Singapore. Gahmen decide what they want. This topic only starts Flamewars and is useless.
SMRT Buses can have both bendies and DDs. How did SBS Transit do it? Why SMRT Buses can't?
FYI, LTA has already make it clear what they want. Both models are useful in some ways but space constriants is already a very major problem in land scarce Singapore. In the long term, bendy buses are not going to be feasible in Singapore. Thus double deckers are more feasible for Singapore public bus operations, sorry to say that but that's the fact.
It is not practical for bus companies to operate both models under the same roof as it will incur a lot of costs in parts, manpower, and training. SBST did not operate both models and gave up the bendy buses. SMRTB will not operate both models as well, since it has already make losses every year and now it faces a much bigger problem in its management issues and rather focusing on it than giving itself more problems with hard-to-manage bus fleet with so many different variations.
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Originally posted by TIB868X:
standardisation... either get DDs or bendies as high capacity buses. unless you want much more suboptimal maintenance from SMRT's already poor maintenance. not surprisingly, while people complain about SMRT bendy buses hogging up more space, SBST seems to have little issues with double deckers
Just my imagination, if bendies were 12m (like rigid) will people like SBS1000U complain? If he does, they are assholes.
will they be a road hog anymore?
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Originally posted by vicamour:
Not feasible. Like what I have said, one stop seamless transfer. Besides, building such structures aren't cheap and needs to be planned very carefully, and looking into aspects of how to develop it in a way to earn the costs back in the shortest possible time. Such things aren't as easy as snapping your fingers.FYI, LTA has already make it clear what they want. Both models are useful in some ways but space constriants is already a very major problem in land scarce Singapore. In the long term, bendy buses are not going to be feasible in Singapore. Thus double deckers are more feasible for Singapore public bus operations, sorry to say that but that's the fact.
It is not practical for bus companies to operate both models under the same roof as it will incur a lot of costs in parts, manpower, and training. SBST did not operate both models and gave up the bendy buses. SMRTB will not operate both models as well, since it has already make losses every year and now it faces a much bigger problem in its management issues and rather focusing on it than giving itself more problems with hard-to-manage bus fleet with so many different variations.
I understand. But if bendies are 13m will there he road hogs?
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Originally posted by OMSI123:
I understand. But if bendies are 13m will there he road hogs?
Then it shouldn't be a bendy bus in the first place. A 13 meter bus is as good as a single decker bus, don't even need that "bend". So you see, we don't even need bendy buses in the first place, it's practically useless. -
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
If you want even broader standardisation, then obviously bendies have no place at all here.
standardisation = all DD, all bendies or all rigid(single deck)
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Originally posted by d143b2:
standardisation = all DD, all bendies or all rigid(single deck)
I think all rigid would be better~ Some DD post a danger to the others on road~