Double Deckers for SMRT
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The bendy bus jam isn't really happening everyday every hours~
If LTA wants a change, then I recommend 80% of Double deck buses in Singapore to get a 3-door version(like London Route master, but w/o the hop in/out feature) If you want to change bendy to DD, might as well change the entire fleet to better and much efficient. Like that can solve both alighting fast problem and length~
But still, LTA must see the bus stop shelter length. Best is to have it longer than the bus bay, like that the front bus can stop further(bend out part)~ Not only that, they must be willing to even cut down more trees branches, adjust the entire land area, including road size.
As for those whom area is like CMI like, place a 2-door, 2-axle version~~ If possible, limit all WAB area to 1 per bus and the steps to be something like KMB version~ Overall, it's more like HK fleet~~
Ah Gong got money, it's whether he wanna use it or not~ Don't use it, later rot, also wasted~
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Originally posted by SMB145B:
hmm you replace those with DD lor
erm
any visible difference, Sir
at least more buses can form up into the bus stop at 1 time... You've like 12 svs over there, the total no of trips itself is alrdy a challenge... your keep on telling ppl fast alighting, but did you consider no of trips, no buses, the queue length it can go up to? -
Originally posted by sbst275:
The bendy buses problem… the blockade is on a Sunday… off peak hours.. .school holiday…
when school reopens… Hahahaha…
but I doubt the kids here really take bus during the peak hours… talk as if peak hour traffic very light like that…
oh ya. peak hour how to jaywalk and take pic of buses on the divider??? Hahaha
I believe almost all of the kids here take bus to sch in the morning. isnt that included too?
infact, some kids here take buses to sch at arnd 6am++
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Originally posted by TIB868X:
space occupied
2 bendy = 3 DD
oh yeah almost forgotten ...
will it still cause problems?
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Originally posted by SMB145B:
oh yeah almost forgotten ...
will it still cause problems?
lesser problems, such as less space hogging and road problems as described a few posts above. since more services are able to call at the bus stop at once.
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KMB ever tried 3 door, but it didn't work eventually... Issue is not over fast alighting, cos there's boarding bus stops to bother with.. so Int area evening peak can implement 2 door boarding? How to have shelter length longer than bus stop bay in reality? Bend out part? Then how the bus driver going to move off? Esp at mandatory give way bus stop? Stop until like that... he dun inch out also cannot, inch out can side swipe w/ vehicles easily...
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Originally posted by SMB145B:
oh yeah almost forgotten ...
will it still cause problems?
it's whoever that gives lesser problems... nothing in this world fits for everything... you can decide to use bendies if you've road space, you can afford to have long bus stops... but we dun have it here with our compact road layout... -
Originally posted by sbst275:
at least more buses can form up into the bus stop at 1 time... You've like 12 svs over there, the total no of trips itself is alrdy a challenge... your keep on telling ppl fast alighting, but did you consider no of trips, no buses, the queue length it can go up to?fast alighting ...
now i see there is a big problem
the transport infrastructure cannot handle the 5.3 million
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Originally posted by SMB145B:
fast alighting ...
now i see there is a big problem
the transport infrastructure cannot handle the 5.3 million
but how many bus svs? Total no of trips and how near this bus stop is w/ the road junction... oh ya, gotta leave space for 920 and 922 to form up w/o blocking the slip road also... not as though this 183 bus stop is purely alighting... -
LTA should trial the 3 door version(following the London New Routemaster layout), and perhaps using 2-door entry at interchange, 1-door entry for the rest of the route. Fast alighting/boarding can seriously save time, much easier to clear the queue when there's jam~
And obviously a 70% target for all roads to have bus lane, if possible.
Regarding the shelter length longer than bus stop bay, simply follow the bus stop bay layout : \_____________/
Seeing the red slash(gradient not there, but rough~), as long the gradient isn't steep, buses can still stop there(Try spotting a less steep gradient bus bay, and that the passenger last min chasing for bus and board, and of cause not the entire bus totally follow the gradient). That can "push in" more buses behind during peak hours.Also~ If possible, try placing any objects slightly inwards to the pavement esp. when the bus turning left<. If the road is narrow, like svc 911's st 82(link to ave4 part), try putting a yellow box on the lane next to the opposite direction to ease turning. Rigids/bendy have went onto the pavement before when the turning is really cmi, quite dangerous if they would to intro DD~
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Originally posted by sbst275:
it's whoever that gives lesser problems... nothing in this world fits for everything... you can decide to use bendies if you've road space, you can afford to have long bus stops... but we dun have it here with our compact road layout...even with DDs replacing bendies, the number of services calling at the bus stop must be reduced.
the bus stop along Bt Panjang road had 14 services calling ... (NR3 is night service, 700A is SWT)
too many services
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If the government is working for a better tomorrow for the life of Singaporeans and Foriengers, he/she must be fast and serious. Not slow and "wayang-wayang"(Give hints, like playing guessing game
) If SMRT wants to be different with SMRT, they are somewhat already~ The help of PIS info can be useful, way better than SBS Transit~ They can also introduce a proper headrest seat.
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you want to be better, has to be better for something else... not trying to play stunt w/ the constrains... now, in some cases the govt has alrdy indirectly placed its stance on the buses.. it should be 12m, be it single or double deck.. in lieu of the road constrains... many of your say govt wayang wayang, wait till your get your driving license you'll realise it's really takes a lot of skills and keep a lookout, proper signalling to keep yourself save on Singapore roads... which is why, in reality if u can get pass driving SG roads w/o a fuss, driving at other places is not even an issue..
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Originally posted by SMB66X:
If the government is working for a better tomorrow for the life of Singaporeans and Foriengers, he/she must be fast and serious. Not slow and "wayang-wayang"(Give hints, like playing guessing game
) If SMRT wants to be different with SMRT, they are somewhat already~ The help of PIS info can be useful, way better than SBS Transit~ They can also introduce a proper headrest seat.
''SMRT wants to be different with SMRT'' Lol, u got a typo
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how to cut? tell ppl to do transfer along Upp Bt Timah Rd? So later Upp Bt Timah Rd too many buses also, must cut? So it's bendy buses cannot cater or really too many buses, must ask ppl to make 3 transfers along main road corridor? Govt gotta intervene somewhere, and they've alrdy done so indirectly as stated abv...
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Originally posted by sbst275:
you want to be better, has to be better for something else…
not trying to play stunt w/ the constrains…
now, in some cases the govt has alrdy indirectly placed its stance on the buses.. it should be 12m, be it single or double deck.. in lieu of the road constrains…
many of your say govt wayang wayang, wait till your get your driving license you’ll realise it’s really takes a lot of skills and keep a lookout, proper signalling to keep yourself save on Singapore roads…
which is why, in reality if u can get pass driving SG roads w/o a fuss, driving at other places is not even an issue..
wayangs ...
lol TH had stakes in SMRT ...
bus stop for 12m buses
18m buses calling at the bus stop?
extend lor
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2 door entries at interchange are definitely do-able. However, the driver wont be able to monitor the scanning of ez-link card at the exit door. Who's gonna stop fare cheats? Deploy marshaller at every berth at every interchange? Not very economically viable.
Bendies or DDs, it really all depends on how you look at it. From a bus fan point of view, bendy rides are fun and enjoyable. However from a driver point of view, getting stuck behind several bendies just to make a left/right turn at a traffic junction is no joke.
Though bendies offer faster unloading time, constructing longer bus stop is also not the answer. Imagine waiting at the front of a bus stop length enough for 3 bendies. The 3rd bendy just turn and move off after pick up/alight passsengers at the back of the bus stop. Whose fault? Commuter fault for not moving to the bus, or SL fault for moving out of the bus stop?
Personally i hope SMRT phase out bendies after their lifespans, or at least reduce the reliance on bendies -
That point was already repeated many times.
It really takes a lot to ignore the multitude of problems with the bendy.
Ideally there should be a good mix of bus.
The reality is that we have to choose one type over the other, and to choose bendies for the SG context with such infrastructure today is sucidal.
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Originally posted by SMB145B:
even with DDs replacing bendies, the number of services calling at the bus stop must be reduced.
the bus stop along Bt Panjang road had 14 services calling ... (NR3 is night service, 700A is SWT)
too many services
Then what is the purpose of BSEP for?
Originally posted by sbst275:you want to be better, has to be better for something else…
not trying to play stunt w/ the constrains…
now, in some cases the govt has alrdy indirectly placed its stance on the buses.. it should be 12m, be it single or double deck.. in lieu of the road constrains…
many of your say govt wayang wayang, wait till your get your driving license you’ll realise it’s really takes a lot of skills and keep a lookout, proper signalling to keep yourself save on Singapore roads…
which is why, in reality if u can get pass driving SG roads w/o a fuss, driving at other places is not even an issue..
I don't think he don't even know what is he talking about now. His illustration of the bus bay shows that he does not understand the safety aspects about driving. The gradient along the bus bays is to assist drivers to move out of the bus bay safely and gradually onto the roads while keeping along the line of the gradient to prevent drivers to mount kerb suddenly.
It will cause many buses to mount kerb (the last tip after the bus bay and normal road) after moving out of the bus bay if the gradient of the bus bay is that narrow. And it is especially dangerous for longer bendy buses because it will be harder for BCs to judge the rear (because blind spot is even tighter for such a long vehicle) and the possibility of the last axle to mount kerb to be even much higher. This is especially dangerous if people are to stand near that area. If they are lucky, their feet are squashed by the bendy bus rear axles, if not, they might be even pinned to death under the bendy bus.
And don't think by steepening the gradient will do much to cater for bendy buses. Instead, LTA will be more happy to squeeze in more standard length buses of different services into the bus bay.
Just put a car at our current bus bay already causing many problems for buses to move out, still want to narrow the gradient.
Originally posted by vodafone27:2 door entries at interchange are definitely do-able. However, the driver wont be able to monitor the scanning of ez-link card at the exit door. Who's gonna stop fare cheats? Deploy marshaller at every berth at every interchange? Not very economically viable.
Bendies or DDs, it really all depends on how you look at it. From a bus fan point of view, bendy rides are fun and enjoyable. However from a driver point of view, getting stuck behind several bendies just to make a left/right turn at a traffic junction is no joke.
Though bendies offer faster unloading time, constructing longer bus stop is also not the answer. Imagine waiting at the front of a bus stop length enough for 3 bendies. The 3rd bendy just turn and move off after pick up/alight passsengers at the back of the bus stop. Whose fault? Commuter fault for not moving to the bus, or SL fault for moving out of the bus stop?
Personally i hope SMRT phase out bendies after their lifespans, or at least reduce the reliance on bendiesActually they can introduce the 2 door entry systems for high demand services during peak hours. It is still feasible.
Well, public bus transport doesn't serve just for a small group of bus fans but for the whole of Singaporeans and also providing the welfare of BCs as well.
After looking at the long bus queues caused by bendy buses outside Woodlands depot in the wee hours of midnight, certainly the long queues caused by bendy buses had wasted a lot of time of the BCs just to wait outside the depot to park their buses inside, instead which their time can be used to go home early to rest. If bendy buses can be pharsed out, not only it means that the daily bus operations can be improved, but also, it can improve the working hours and driving environments of the BCs as well.
Originally posted by SMB66X:If the government is working for a better tomorrow for the life of Singaporeans and Foriengers, he/she must be fast and serious. Not slow and "wayang-wayang"(Give hints, like playing guessing game
) If SMRT wants to be different with SMRT, they are somewhat already~ The help of PIS info can be useful, way better than SBS Transit~ They can also introduce a proper headrest seat.
Way better my foot. Just look at the tons of problems it have internally and externally just show how medicore this company is in terms of managing its daily operations.If SMRTB is really keen on improving, just be practical and do the necessary improvements that are practical, and not for the sake to be different and not being practical to solve problems but instead cause more problems to the commuters.
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end of the day, who is the regulator.. LTA or Temasek Hldg??? Seriously LTA itself has alrdy indirectly intervened in the types of buses that's ideally to be used in Singapore w/ how the new infrastructure has been planned...
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obviously there's someone who don't understand the logic here...
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when is the bendy man bus come out????
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Originally posted by wsy1234:
when is the bendy man bus come out????
Heard its still in STK. Maybe end of the month, who knows
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Originally posted by sbst275:
end of the day, who is the regulator.. LTA or Temasek Hldg???
Seriously LTA itself has alrdy indirectly intervened in the types of buses that’s ideally to be used in Singapore w/ how the new infrastructure has been planned…
but why are there 11 lots for bendies?
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Originally posted by vicamour:
I don't think he don't even know what is he talking about now. His illustration of the bus bay shows that he does not understand the safety aspects about driving. The gradient along the bus bays is to assist drivers to move out of the bus bay safely and gradually onto the roads while keeping along the line of the gradient to prevent drivers to mount kerb suddenly.
It will cause many buses to mount kerb (the last tip after the bus bay and normal road) after moving out of the bus bay if the gradient of the bus bay is that narrow. And it is especially dangerous for longer bendy buses because it will be harder for BCs to judge the rear (because blind spot is even tighter for such a long vehicle) and the possibility of the last axle to mount kerb to be even much higher. This is especially dangerous if people are to stand near that area. If they are lucky, their feet are squashed by the bendy bus rear axles, if not, they might be even pinned to death under the bendy bus.
And don't think by steepening the gradient will do much to cater for bendy buses. Instead, LTA will be more happy to squeeze in more standard length buses of different services into the bus bay.
Just put a car at our current bus bay already causing many problems for buses to move out, still want to narrow the gradient.
Way better my foot. Just look at the tons of problems it have internally and externally just show how medicore this company is in terms of managing its daily operations.If SMRTB is really keen on improving, just be practical and do the necessary improvements that are practical, and not for the sake to be different and not being practical to solve problems but instead cause more problems to the commuters.
Firstly, by stopping slightly forward, it doesn't even affect anything. The bus still can turns out safely. Even if that isn't suggested, I don't even think Singapore transport have a good safety system please~ Don't even think about buses yet, nowadays car driver also anyhow. TP also not spotted on road~ So you think they drivers care? No please, not all drivers are so following the law always. However, I don't see any danger by stopping just abit infront, not as if the whole bus is directly stopping on the "\" part
Got cause problem to commuters meh? You can't improve up till the standard there, there always gotta be more than what the standard wants. Don't tell me you're just gonna get a pass for your exam, and after that being happy over it? Wow~~