Double Deckers for SMRT
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Originally posted by sbst275:
wa kaoz…
SMB145B is really Jason Lim is it…
Of course in SG, it’s peak hours that’s giving everyone headache… 179 or 199 has lesser problems during the off peak hrs..
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peak hour everywhere will be problematic
not just 179 or 199
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Originally posted by sbst275:
wa kaoz…
SMB145B is really Jason Lim is it…
Of course in SG, it’s peak hours that’s giving everyone headache… 179 or 199 has lesser problems during the off peak hrs..
Off peak SDs also can cope for 179
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cbb... eh... no... 199 can use SD during off peak... cos after all, 179's load is pretty dynamic.. there's ppl moving in and out of campus during off peak...
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Originally posted by sbst275:
a pair... The downriding is at the 'rear'... Boon Lay Way??? eh... lol...Pioneer station ...
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Originally posted by SMB145B:
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peak hour everywhere will be problematic
not just 179 or 199
30 trips per hour for S179... + ADD fleet.. which other bus sv fits this busy status??? -
Originally posted by sbst275:
30 trips per hour for S179... + ADD fleet.. which other bus sv fits this busy status???30 trips per hour?
... load is like a LRT or MRT
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Originally posted by SMB66X:
Woah..I don't know some bus fans can be soo mad about buses until they camp outside WLDEP in the MIDNIGHT somemore...zai zai~ I wonder why they never contact the police of suspicious person outside depot
Firstly, you got post any questions meh? All I see is you replying~
Did you read the previous posts about this topic yet? If not, then go and read up for the reason why I was there that night.Better than a bunch of monkeys crowding outside bus depots/bus manufacturing plants and get warnings from the personnel involved.
If you don't know what was asked from you, too bad for you. You are just too lazy to think further.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
wa kaoz…
SMB145B is really Jason Lim is it…
Bullshitting, does SMB145B look any similar to that Jason Lim at the first place?
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Originally posted by vicamour:
Did you read the previous posts about this topic yet? If not, then go and read up for the reason why I was there that night.Better than a bunch of monkeys crowding outside bus depots/bus manufacturing plants and get warnings from the personnel involved.
If you don't know what was asked from you, too bad for you. You are just too lazy to think further.
Where the hell are you even asking? Show it to me then? Why don't you show it then? Not asking you to craw like a dog? If not, stop acting like a boss here~
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Once this thread reaches 80 pages, I will bash the person who creates a new thread and wants to continues this stupid debate.
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Originally posted by sbst275:
By the way people comment abt all these planning related stuff, obviously your cannot think of how to standardise, how to be fair to each n every bus sv’s needs…
Worst thing talk of some places like Sg Kadut having concrete factories, say also either dun want to know or dun wish to know but still want to stubbornly insist Sat not much lorry traffic…
The only day CIQ have less lorry traffic is on Sunday… Not surprisingly, market stalls most dun open on Monday since there’s no shipment of chicken, vegetables on Sunday…
S911’s case… Still cannot believe not a single 911 appears even w/ 2×856 disparch.. still say is ok… eh.. I thought 911’s freq is 3 – 5 mins??? Ghost buses?
Woodlands N1 quite a decent chunk are 4 storey walk up flats, N8 side abt 70+ blocks of flats… like this cannot cope? is it schedule got problem or is it something else? Woah, then Sv 903, 912 how ar??? bigger catchment area…
Still want to laugh… like things dun want to take it and think, and really think abt it…
always think your know a lot of things… ask ppl to google abt econs, still say I know la.. keep quiet… I know many here are still in sec sch, poly.. There’s still a lot of things to learn, dun think you’re are very smart…
Still have not even learn how to drive yet… worst…
If SMB66X still insist wanting to know who I am… well I can tell u then.. I was the one who feedback-ed to SBST to operate downroutes for 179A in the evening from South Spine, abt possibility of pushing out more ADDs on 502 on weekends…
People have contacts around, dun need to write each n everything over feedback, planning related issues over here… for next thing, kids later go backstab or want to get more info etc…
So what if you're the one whom feedback to SBST for 179A? Did anyone even thank you?
Stop thinking that your feedback deserves the whole world to know, and the whole world to thank you with some gifts~ It's either you feedback for everyone goods, and shut up afterwards(not go around say "EH this is feedback-ed by me one") or you simply keep quiet and watch~ Anyway, mr NTU student arh..type clearly please~ Don't tell me NTU never teach you to type clearly in text? Your "your"~ Don't even suit the sentences
And yes the frequency is 3-5mins~ Do you think the time taken for 1 bus to fill to the brim, close door or even take driver to wait, would be 1min plus? Confirm drag uptil 3-5mins or even more~ And by then, obviously the 2nd bus would be waiting at the back~ Boy arh boy, don't forget 912/962 have their pax to deal with. You can never expect much~~
Frequency for fleet after 7pm is 3-20mins, do you even think, if the rigid are fitted at 15mins max. frequency each, able to cope the pax? Why 15mins max.? A 7-10mins frequency already show that the queue can be quite long at night already, especially Friday~ Somemore with 6AP running, you can never really expect them to lambat~ By simply putting adding at least 1-2 bendy, not asking you to put 12 Bendy buses in the fleet
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Originally posted by vicamour:
They are partially the main reasons of SMRTB's inefficiencies all these years, especially after my observation outside Woodlands depot in the midnight.
Too much time wasted on delays caused by the long queues of buses and parking crunch in the depot due to space limitations, poor BCs have not enough resting times. Probably if SMRTB stops using bendy buses soon, their scheduling will be improved and their frequencies will not be so erractic.
Timing wise people will still require time to move up the upper deck, similar to how people move into the rear of a bendy bus. No difference to me IMO.
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Originally posted by SBS2601D:
Or new utilisations of bendies. Which are quite unlikely with further homogenisation of the roads.
Then why are the companies continuing to manufacture bendies till today? Such as the NG363Fs and SMB228X's most favourite Citaro Gs?
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Originally posted by SBS8501U:
Then why are the companies continuing to manufacture bendies till today? Such as the NG363Fs and SMB228X's most favourite Citaro Gs?
You missed my point.
But its ok.
We all learn eventually.
My point stands.
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Originally posted by SBS8501U:
Then why are the companies continuing to manufacture bendies till today? Such as the NG363Fs and SMB228X's most favourite Citaro Gs?
Not all country experience shortage of space (:
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You'll arguing wait SMRT buy 11m 2x DD with higher output engine then u know
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do you know why buses have to queue up at WLDEP every night? not because of parking crunch. its because the parking attendant there is very meticulous in his/her work. he/she will arrange the buses in order of what time they go out. an SL told me this. if you say SMRT maintenance is sloppy, its because the driver didnt the problem. execptional case is AMDEP where they dun care. if driver report, minor problems it can be fixed within 3 days. pleass stop BSing without facts.
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already the tender docs states 12m DD or 17/18m bendies ...
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
You'll arguing wait SMRT buy 11m 2x DD with higher output engine then u know
they not interested in 11m... only 12m and 18m -
Originally posted by SMB66X:
Where the hell are you even asking? Show it to me then? Why don't you show it then? Not asking you to craw like a dog? If not, stop acting like a boss here~
Sidetracking and name labelling.Look who is acting like a boss now. Public transport is designed for the efficiency for the country as a whole, but for a group of selfish people like you just to fulfill your fantasies for your utopian bus company. There are limitations, operational efficiencies, costs and viability issues, etc to look into.
If you don't get my question, let me ask you.
Do you think that by stopping by further in front of your proposed bus bay, buses won't mount the kerb (the tip between the bus bay and the road) after moving out of the bus bay? And by reducing the gradient of the sloping line, won't it be harder for BCs to drive the bus out to the road because it is harder for them to check the blind spots as they gradually move out? Lastly, it won't make a difference if it is designed this way. LTA will be much happier to park 2 standard length buses instead but no, they choose not to do so and why? Because of safety issues.
Some bus stops have such narrow gradients because the area is smaller for a longer bus bay. One recent example is the bus stop opposite Khoo Teck Phuat hospital, outside BLK 652, Yishun Central. The bus bay length has been reduced for the vehicular entrance for a new nursing home. I can see it will become a potential road hazard for other road users with the rear trailer of the bendy bus jutting out of the road because of this.
Originally posted by dan474:do you know why buses have to queue up at WLDEP every night? not because of parking crunch. its because the parking attendant there is very meticulous in his/her work. he/she will arrange the buses in order of what time they go out. an SL told me this. if you say SMRT maintenance is sloppy, its because the driver didnt the problem. execptional case is AMDEP where they dun care. if driver report, minor problems it can be fixed within 3 days. pleass stop BSing without facts.
Explain to me roadside parking outside Woodlands depot. If there is no parking crunch, why do buses have to park outside the depots every night? It is more of the headache of the parking attendent to find the appropriate parking for all the buses every night, instead of he/she being meticulous.In fact, Mr carbikebus had already said the 3 depots are facing this kind of problems everyday. Still want to hide the facts with your rubbish?
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Originally posted by vicamour:
Sidetracking and name labelling.Look who is acting like a boss now. Public transport is designed for the efficiency for the country as a whole, but for a group of selfish people like you just to fulfill your fantasies for your utopian bus company. There are limitations, operational efficiencies, costs and viability issues, etc to look into.
If you don't get my question, let me ask you.
Do you think that by stopping by further in front of your proposed bus bay, buses won't mount the kerb (the tip between the bus bay and the road) after moving out of the bus bay? And by reducing the gradient of the sloping line, won't it be harder for BCs to drive the bus out to the road because it is harder for them to check the blind spots as they gradually move out? Lastly, it won't make a difference if it is designed this way. LTA will be much happier to park 2 standard length buses instead but no, they choose not to do so and why? Because of safety issues.
Some bus stops have such narrow gradients because the area is smaller for a longer bus bay. One recent example is the bus stop opposite Khoo Teck Phuat hospital, outside BLK 652, Yishun Central. The bus bay length has been reduced for the vehicular entrance for a new nursing home. I can see it will become a potential road hazard for other road users with the rear trailer of the bendy bus jutting out of the road because of this.
Public transport is NOT ONLY designed for the efficiency for the country as a whole, it's also serve other purpose. And if you mention the country as a whole, how about the elderly issue then? If 70% of Singaporeans in future faces leg problem as an elderly, what are you going to do? Are you going to tell them to wait for SD buses or even take taxi? Same for WAB facilities. If the WAB bus is full, are you gonna tell the PIW to keep waiting until an empty bus arrive?
And it seems that you didn't get my idea there, by stopping forward, the bus must also be park in a slanted manner, but not too much. Which driver would be so stupid to even mount the kerb? By doing so, common sense would tell you that the bus bay must be slightly bigger~ When the gradient is less steep, the bus can stop slightly forward(w/o worrying much about mounting the kerb). He can also check for oncoming vehicles as there's still more space(after bus stop pole) infront~
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Originally posted by SMB66X:
Public transport is NOT ONLY designed for the efficiency for the country as a whole, it's also serve other purpose. And if you mention the country as a whole, how about the elderly issue then? If 70% of Singaporeans in future faces leg problem as an elderly, what are you going to do? Are you going to tell them to wait for SD buses or even take taxi? Same for WAB facilities. If the WAB bus is full, are you gonna tell the PIW to keep waiting until an empty bus arrive?
And it seems that you didn't get my idea there, by stopping forward, the bus must also be park in a slanted manner, but not too much. Which driver would be so stupid to even mount the kerb? By doing so, common sense would tell you that the bus bay must be slightly bigger~ When the gradient is less steep, the bus can stop slightly forward(w/o worrying much about mounting the kerb). He can also check for oncoming vehicles as there's still more space(after bus stop pole) infront~
When I say as a whole it means everyone. It seems that you are the only one leaving the elderly out. You are only assuming based on your thoughts. You never seen how eager or healthy our elderly population just to get a seat or just to get out of the view of a crowded bus. And look at how the younger generations behave when they see the elderly, pretending to sleep, laziness to move up, etc. Your point of view is simply too myopic to say that PIWs can only need to wait longer for an SD bus. Higher frequenices are there for a reason and double deckers can do the same job.
If you really have the heart for more seats for the elderly, then stop your large groups of bus joyriding and make a fool of yourselves in the bus and at the same time, creating nuisance to other bus commuters and depriving the seats of other bus commuters.
As for the last point, it seems that you do not understand what I am asking at all. I did not say anything much about the bus in the bus bay but moving out of the bus bay. And do you know about turning out into a road and checking blind spots? Stopping a bit forward, do you think most BCs will do that for the sake of doing? And when it rains, would they stop by the bus shelter or move out of the shelter to allow boarding?
Stop sidetracking and analyze properly.
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Originally posted by vicamour:
When I say as a whole it means everyone. It seems that you are the only one leaving the elderly out. You are only assuming based on your thoughts. You never seen how eager or healthy our elderly population just to get a seat or just to get out of the view of a crowded bus. And look at how the younger generations behave when they see the elderly, pretending to sleep, laziness to move up, etc. Your point of view is simply too myopic to say that PIWs can only need to wait longer for an SD bus. Higher frequenices are there for a reason and double deckers can do the same job.
If you really have the heart for more seats for the elderly, then stop your large groups of bus joyriding and make a fool of yourselves in the bus and at the same time, creating nuisance to other bus commuters and depriving the seats of other bus commuters.
As for the last point, it seems that you do not understand what I am asking at all. I did not say anything much about the bus in the bus bay but moving out of the bus bay. And do you know about turning out into a road and checking blind spots? Stopping a bit forward, do you think most BCs will do that for the sake of doing? And when it rains, would they stop by the bus shelter or move out of the shelter to allow boarding?
Stop sidetracking and analyze properly.
I've highlighted them~ You should read again ~~
"If 70% of Singaporeas in future faces leg problem.." < How are you going to have more DDs when they have leg problem? You're seriously making them injure more when they headed up~ And are you sure those are young generation people only? It's more of those 20s-30s people please~ Do you think every WAB svc have DDs~~? Even with DD, there's time where they have to skip that DD for the next bus too? So how sure are you that they aren't gonna be waiting? And don't be an ass by putting the word longer~ You've totally change the story~
Wow? "My" large group of bus joyridings? Oh please~ You're talking to the wrong person~~
If the SLs/BCs have been trained, I see no reason for them not checking~~ It's only a minor few of them not checking while leaving~ Like I've said, the bus bay must be slightly bigger, as when the bus move, the car can have some time to react or at least horn/stop~
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Jingle bell jingle bell jingle all d way.Ok now you'll tell me is it practical to use DDs for short feeders?As for me those short feeders with DDs can be enhance by extending a few bus stops
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come on la if the parking attendant headache find parking they can just park anyhow right